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Od: "Karolina Kacprzycka" <kalus-1991@tlen.pl>
Temat: Re: MI5 Persecution: Options 21/9/95 (5310)
Data: 1 marca 2007 09:14

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> From: john heelan <john@lorca.demon.co.uk>
> Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.current-events.net-abuse,alt.journalism
> Subject: Re: CENSORHSIP IS IMMORAL, UNJUST AND WRONG
> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 19:17:30 GMT
> Organization: (Private)
> Lines: 65
> Message-ID: <811711050snz@lorca.demon.co.uk>
> References: <DF8DMu.Dqu.0.bloor@torfree.net> <43qpdh$iki@news3.digex.net>
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>
>
> You have to admit that Mike is persistent and obviously feels
>         deeply that he is being hounded by the "Security Services" and
>         there is a Conspiracy out to get him personally.  If that is true,
>         then we should be concerned; if he is just paranoid, then we
should
>         empathise with his sickness.  What we should not do is to invite
>         censorship....that just could be implicitly joining in the
>         putative Conspiracy.
>
> Let's look at Mike's potential options (and the alleged responses
>         he has received):
>
> >     1. Complain to the Police: (their alleged response
> >               "Don't be silly, Sir"; Mike's rationale "They are part
> >               of the Conspiracy")
> >
>
> I don't think the police as an organisation are part of it. They're
> certainly not the source.
>
> The officer I spoke to at Easter clearly didn't know anything about it.
> And that was at my local police station in London - if anyone in the
> police knew you would think the people at your local cop shop would.
>
> A couple of years ago I had to go into the station after a motoring
> infraction, the guy I spoke to then said something about "brain like a
> computer sir" which my suspicions latched on to - (I'm alleged to be a
> programmer as some people reading this know) - but as per the usual
> "can';t prove nuthin" and you ask yourself if you're just being stupid
> suspecting on the basis of a straw
>
>
> >     2. Complain to a Member of Parliament (Mike's rationale: "Can't
> >               because they are part of the Conspiracy")
> >
>
> I could do that actually. But he would probably tell me to go see the
> police, for which see above.
>
> >     3. Make it visible through the UK Press. (Mike's rationale:
> >               "Can't because they are part of the Conspiracy")
> >
>
> They are actually. There's a difference though in the way journalists
> react to this stuff when they're "got to" by the security service.
>
> This is completely giving the game away, but the trouble originally
> started with my reading into stuff that was being written by Times
> columnists, in particular our antagonistic friend Mr Levin.
> But you see that some journalists are taking part in the conspiracy and
> others are only doing it because their puppet masters have been feeding
> them information which they can't allow themselves to ignore. The
> security services have their hooks into the UK media, this case shows
> that very explicitly. You also see how things get gradualkly wqorse with
> a particular journalist; a couple of weeks ago Peter Tory in the Express
> was writing about "nerds seeking their revenge on him through the Net",
> guess what that was about.
>
>
> >     4. Complain to the UK Security Services. (Mike's rationale: "Can't
> >               because they ARE the Cnspiracy")
> >
>
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? If the fascist Gestapo bastards plot to
> see you dead then who's going to deal with it? Not  the security
> services, that's for sure.
>
>
> >     5. Make it visible through Internet: (Mike has done this
> >               suvccessfully; but any gainsayers are "part of the
Conspiracy".
> >
>
> I don;t think you';re part of the consipracy if you refuse to believe or
> email the postmaster. Those who do know are keeping their silence.
>
>
> >     6. Complain to the Canadian National and State Governments. (Has
> >               Mike done this yet ?)
> >
>
> No. It's a UK problem so that's where it should be dealt with. The
> perpetrators are UK residents, are unidentified, and would be difficult
> to deal with through the Canadian courts.
>
> Ditto the police in Canada, ditto the press - it isn't their problem,
> it's caused by UK people against someone from the UK. Of course Canadian
> laws are being broken relating to harassment and "stalking" which do not
> exist in the UK, but the Canadian police do not have a very good record
> of enforcing those laws anyway.
>
>
> >     7. Complain to the Canadian Security Services (Has Mike done this
> >        yet ?)
> >
> >     8. Complain to the Canadian Press. (Has Mike done this yet ?)
> >
> I think if they didn't knoiw, they'd just think you were having
> delusions; and if they did, then they would side with the people with the
> power, the smiling English people with their knives out.
>
> Remember, nobody uis going to side with the person who has less power in
> a copfrontation. The team over here in Canada have the resources of their
> organization behind them, other broadcasters etc in the UK would have
> influence with their counterparts in Canada; after all, this was once a
> British colony, there is still a feeling of "looking up to" the UK among
> many Canadians, so if a team of security services arrives from the UK
> with apparently limitless resources to pursue their target,      people
> over here will forget anything they ever knew about basic human rights
> and go along with what they are told to do and how they are told to
behave.
>
> >     9. Complain to non-UK TV Watchdogs (Does Canada have an "Oprah
> >        Winfrey ?  Has Mike done this yet ?)
> >
> >    10. Complain to the EC Court of Human Rights. (Has Mike done
> >        this yet ?)
> >
> >              ........or...are 6,7,8,9,10 also all part of
> >                     the Conspiracy ?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > john heelan
>
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