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dmitri@cdc.net (Dmitri Alperovitch) once said:

>>Why not? The best programmers I know started with assembler. If you 
>think VB or
>>some othert language is better i couldnt disagree more. with VB you can 
>DRAW the
>>program. that is not programming.
>
>Wait a minute, I DIDN'T SAY "better".  I just said that it's very complicated 
>and I hope that you agree with me on that one.  Assembler is in fact one of 
>the most complicated languages that there is, even though it is "better" than 
>any other one because it is so powerful.  However, I think that for a 
>beginner it is better to start with an "easy" language like VB and move on 
>to more complicated ones like C++ and Assembler later on.

I understand the way you think, but I would have to disagree. Yes, assembler is
cryptic if you have learned something else before. But if you start with
assembler, get a "ground up" book and a interupt list, I would have to say
assembler is pretty easy. No advanced structures, no function overloading and
stuff like that. just resgisters and interupts.

I have actually come to the conclusion that assembler is quite simple, if you
understand the basics like bytes, words, segments and stuff. :)

You -CAN- do complicated things with assembler, but you wont do that as a
beginner anyway. Lets say it takes you 4 months longer to become a decent
programer in asm then in VB.

Once you know asm, you know so much more then any VB programmer would. Most (who
do it on a hobby basis) dont know anything about how the memory is built, what
an interrupt is and so on.. 

>About VB.  I disagree.  I understand that isn't a powerful language and 
>there are to many things that it lacks of (ex. pointers), but you can still do a 
>lot of stuff with it.  About drawing objects - have you ever really 
>programmed with VB or did you just read a book and did a few examples?
>Yes, it is true that all the GUI interface is in fact like drawing, but the 
>programming part of it is still the same - you still have to code stuff for 
>your program to work, and what the hell is that, if not programming?

Well, I think the hardest part about programing is usually the makeing the gui.
Its not much problem to sort lists, make a vector and all that.. :) I find that
what I use most of my time on, is making the gui. with VB you eliminate most
contact the user have with videomemory / vesadrivers and all, so , as a rule - I
would say VB makes bad programmers. 

You are ofcourse entitled to disagree.
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