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Article #582Re: Wie stopt Israel, want dit is moord
From: Albert
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:00
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 00:00
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"Zeedoggie62" <zeedoggie62@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8rbsku$283$1@tesla.a2000.nl... > Je vergeet al die onschuldige doden die gevallen zijn door die Palestijnse > bommetjes. Of mag dat ineens wel? Wel alles in perspectief blijven zien Ja, maar als je in perspectief wilt blijven dan moet je ook zien dat Israel daar als de *bezetter* is en land van de Palestijnen geannexeerd heeft. Ken je het spreukje nog dat bij de Heineken fabriek staat, dat is hier ook van toepassing. <<"Een volk dat voor tirannen zwicht, verliest meer dan lijf en goed, dan dooft het licht.">> Daarom protesteren de Palestijnen. Kijk ik ben het ook niet eens met de Palestijnse zelfmoordbommers, etc. maar *jouw* perspectief laat wel veel toe. > Albert. Tenslotte was Sadam ook een ster in propaganda tegen de VN door met > dode burgers aan te komen, die hij achteraf zelf de nek had omgedraaid. Dat is volgens mij *westerse* prietpraat en is nog steeds niet bewezen, je moet ook niet alles slikken die de Amerikanen je opdienen hoor. De meeste van de Amerikaanse rakketten kwamen op woonwijken neer, en zij verklaarden dat ze weer een kernblablabla onschadelijk hadden gemaakt. > Beide partijen zijn daar niet goed bezig. Wat mij betreft moeten we ons daar > zo min mogelijk mee bemoeien. ���Wat??? Bedoel je dat we dit normaal moeten slikken en als *entertainment* moeten zien op het journaal? Kom nou, het is toch onmenselijk als bij een protest met *scherp* wordt geschoten? Ik snap je echt niet hoor zee, als je zegt dat we ons daar zo min mogelijk moeten bemoeien, waar ben je bang voor? Amnesty International, meanwhile, accused Israel's security forces of using "indiscriminate" and excessive force against Palestinian protesters. "We have been saying for years that Israel is killing civilians unlawfully by firing at them during demonstrations and riots," the group said. Kijk hier maar voor een bewijs van excessive force http://62.108.4.85/shame/shame.html Stel wij protesteren tegen de komst van de Euro en de poli begint met scherp te schieten, om maar een flauwe vergelijking te maken. Sorry maar ik vind dat men Israel in deze te veel de hand boven het hoofd houdt, laten ze de bezette gebieden maar gewoon terug geven. Ik snap niet dat een volk dat zoveel door de oorlog heeft geleden door de nazis hetzelfde met een ander volk kan doen. Als ze nou gewoon de bezette gebieden teruggeven, een gezamenlijke hoofdstad inrichten dan denk ik dat de problemen gauw zijn opgelost, maar als dit zo doorgaat, kan je binnenkorte termijn weer een totale oorlog verwachten en dan zal Arafat mee moeten doen, want hij is nu nog steeds bereid om te praten, maar strax verliest hij zijn achterban, en dan staat ie ook alleen. Vreemd he, Sadam kreeg de hele wereld tegen zich, Milosovic, etc. Daar deden wij wel wat tegen, maar tegen Israel houden we lekker onze kop en waarom? Met Haidertje, waren we ook bereid om Oostenrijk te isoleren. Kijk wat er nu zal gebeuren, de hele Arabische wereld staat al op zijn kop en wil oorlog. Calls for war In Cairo; Damascus, Syria; Amman, Jordan; and the Yemeni capital Sanaa, thousands took to the streets to protest against the killings and urge a Muslim holy war on Israel, echoing earlier calls for vengeance from militant groups. "These confrontations with the Zionist army prove that only the resistance and jihad are the means which allow Palestinians to liberate their lands and protect their holy shrines," said Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdullah Shalah in Damascus. Students in Cairo called on God to grant Arabs and Muslims victory over their Israeli enemies, while in Amman, an estimated 8,000 demonstrators called on the government to sever ties with Israel and expel its envoy. "No to peace because if we surrender under peace there will be no Arabs," said waiter Yousef Abu Sleim. Iranian President Mohammad Khatami said peace in the Middle East could only be brought about through an end to the state of Israel. "Real peace can only be achieved through an end to occupation and the return of all Palestinians to their homeland and through respect for the rights of all Palestinians, including Muslims, Christians and Jews, to determine their own future," Khatami told state radio. Okay ik ben weg, moet gaan werken. Grtz. Albert www.sabroso.cjb.net [The best RealAudiosite, that beats MP3] www.listen.to/sabroso [El mejor RealAudiosite, que vence MP3] www.listen.at/sabroso [Die beste RealAudiosite, die MP3 schl�gt.] http://bally.iscool.net [Il RealAudiosite migliore, quel battimenti MP3] Bach@ta, Reggae, S@lsa, Merengue, K@seko, Soul, D@nce, and a lot of more hot Sounds. Listen *online* in CD quality, just follow the instructions on the page. *Powered by Windows 2000 Server* > Zee. > "Albert" <me@somewhere.nl> wrote in message > news:8rb5ql$d3h$1@tesla.a2000.nl... > > Ik ben een heel *vredelievend* persoon, maar als ik zulke dingen zie dan > > kookt mijn bloed wel ff, en denk ik waarom zet de VN/US geen troepen in > > Israel want dit zijn regelrechte *moordpartijen*. Je schiet toch niet met > > scherp op stenengooiers. > > > > Mijn vriend Sadam mocht zijn tuin niet in Koeweit aanleggen, want toen > stond > > de halve wereld al klaar om militair in te grijpen, en dit moeten we met > > lede ogen aanzien. > > > > Kijk maar naar de plaatjes die bij dit artikel horen, ik heb ze op mijn > > server gezet want dit vind ik een grote schande, en de internationale > > gemeenschap stond er bij en keek er naar, en niemand die de Israelis > > veroordeeld. Ik vind dat het zionisme zijn dieptepunt bereikt heeft met zo > > een laffe daad. > > > > Kijk goed naar de plaatjes http://62.108.4.85/shame/shame.html van toen > het > > jochie nog in leven was, en huilend achter zijn vader schuilt, de muren > > hadden nog geen kogelgaten, en op het tweede plaatje ligt ie dood en kan > ik > > al iets van 5 *grote* impacten in de muur tellen, hoeveel hebben ze dan op > > vader en zoon geschoten, terwijl ze *niet* eens gewapend waren. > > > > Ik hou niet van vloeken maar bij deze zeg ik wel *VERDOMME* het is nu > > genoeg. > > > > Mohammed Aldura we will remember you and as your mother said "Tegen hen > die > > dit gedaan hebben zeg ik: ik hoop dat jullie verbranden". > > > > Volgens mij had Arafat beter op 13 september jl de Palestijnse staat > kunnen > > uitroepen, want het geweld dat men vreesde is toch losgebarsten. > > > > ***************** ********************* ******************* > > > > BUREIJ REFUGEE CAMP, Gaza (AP) -- He died huddled in his father's arms, > > caught in a hail of bullets -- and captured in the viewfinder of a > > television camera in a shocking scene viewed all over the world. > > > > Twelve-year-old Mohammed Jamal Aldura -- shot as his desperate father > tried > > to shield him after they blundered into the middle of a fierce > > Israeli-Palestinian clash outside a small Jewish settlement -- was mourned > > Sunday in the teeming refugee camp where he spent his short life. > > > > In Mohammed's death, it was not entirely clear who fired the fatal shots, > > though Palestinians blamed the Israelis. > > > > "I was always afraid something like this would happen to him," said > > Mohammed's 30-year-old mother, Amal, sitting dry-eyed and swathed in black > > at the family's home, which was filled with friends and relatives who > > spilled over into the mourning tent outside. "To those who did it I say: I > > wish you may burn." > > > > Amid a welter of brutal scenes from street battles that have swept the > West > > Bank and Gaza Strip since Thursday, the boy's death was a singularly > > horrific one. > > > > Television footage shot by French TV during Saturday's pitched battle > > outside the heavily guarded Gaza settlement of Netzarim showed Mohammed > > clinging to his father, Jamal, and screaming in terror as a sustained > burst > > of gunfire raked a concrete wall behind them. > > > > As the two huddled behind a tiny abutment, the father vainly stretched a > > protective arm in front of his son. > > > > Most stations that aired the footage cut away before the stricken boy > could > > be seen slumping over, loosing his grip on the father, who himself > twitched > > convulsively as he was struck by round after round. > > > > In this latest spasm of violence -- just as in the days of the Palestinian > > uprising, or intefadeh -- Palestinian children are often found on the > front > > lines of deadly cat-and-mouse clashes between demonstrators and Israeli > > troops. Confrontations that begin with stones and rubber-coated steel > > pellets often escalate into furious exchanges of live fire. > > > > Israel's police minister, Shlomo Ben Ami, blamed Palestinians for putting > > children in harm's way. > > > > "When the Palestinians deliberately bring a lot of civilians, some of them > > young people, to demonstrate -- and not to demonstrate silently, but to > > throw stones and not only stones but firebombs and use live fire as > well -- > > in such situations, the only thing you can do in order to protect your > life > > is to retaliate," said Ben Ami, who is also the acting foreign minister. > "We > > tried to use direct weapons only when it was really needed, in order to > > protect life." > > > > The slain boy's relatives freely acknowledged that he often joined other > > children from the camp in throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers. His nickname > > was Mitwali -- a slang word for little troublemaker, or scamp. > > > > On Saturday, with daily clashes intensifying, his mother lured him away > from > > the ranks of young stone-throwers by telling him to accompany his father, > > who was shopping for a used car. > > > > "He loved going out on errands with his father, spending time with him, so > > he obeyed," she said. > > > > Returning home on foot, the two found themselves caught between a stone- > and > > firebomb-throwing Palestinian mob -- perhaps including some gunmen -- and > > Israeli troops who were firing live bullets in the demonstrators' > direction. > > > > On Sunday, Jamal Aldura, a 37-year-old laborer, remained in a Gaza > hospital > > recovering from bullet wounds to both legs, one arm and his midsection. > > > > Swathed in bloody bandages, barely able to keep his eyes open, he > recounted > > from his hospital cot how he tried to shield his son from the hail of > > bullets he said were fired by Israeli troops. > > > > "I tried to tell them 'Stop, stop, he's my son, he's a child,' but nobody > > heard me, and they didn't listen to me," he said a slurred, weak voice. > > "Those moments were like a lifetime." > > > > When Mohammed's mother, Amal, saw the footage, which aired repeatedly on > > Palestinian television, she already knew her son was dead and her husband > > badly wounded. But she could hardly believe the cringing, cowering boy she > > saw on the screen was the spirited, mischievous child she knew. > > > > "I saw him, but I didn't know him," she said. > > > > Although the two appeared to be in the line of fire from the Israeli > troops' > > position, Israeli Cabinet Secretary Yitzhak Herzog said Sunday night it > > still wasn't known who fired the fatal shots. > > > > The army said in a statement that it would look into the incident. While > it > > expressed regret for the loss of life, it accused Palestinians of "making > > cynical use of children and women by bringing them to flashpoints." > > > > Palestinian Parliament speaker Ahmed Qureia furiously denounced Israel for > > what he called a cold-blooded killing. > > > > "I think that pictures seen worldwide of a boy killed by the Israelis > whose > > father was trying to protect him is clear evidence of whose responsible > for > > the escalation of the situation," he said. "This is the ugliest thing a > > human can see in this world." > > > > Grtz. Albert > > www.sabroso.cjb.net [The best RealAudiosite, that beats MP3] > > www.listen.to/sabroso [El mejor RealAudiosite, que vence MP3] > > www.listen.at/sabroso [Die beste RealAudiosite, die MP3 schl�gt.] > > http://bally.iscool.net [Il RealAudiosite migliore, quel battimenti MP3] > > Bach@ta, Reggae, S@lsa, Merengue, K@seko, Soul, D@nce, > > and a lot of more hot Sounds. > > Listen *online* in CD quality, just follow the instructions on the page. > > *Powered by Windows 2000 Server* > > > > > > > >
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X-Google-Language: DUTCH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: f9eed,9bad42cd892eb669 X-Google-Attributes: gidf9eed,public X-Google-Thread: 106751,9bad42cd892eb669 X-Google-Attributes: gid106751,public From: "Albert" <me@somewhere.nl> Subject: Re: Wie stopt Israel, want dit is moord Date: 2000/10/03 Message-ID: <8rc24f$g50$1@weber.a2000.nl> X-Deja-AN: 676945061 References: <8rb5ql$d3h$1@tesla.a2000.nl> <8rbsku$283$1@tesla.a2000.nl> X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: abuse@a2000.nl X-Trace: weber.a2000.nl 970558415 16544 62.108.4.85 (3 Oct 2000 07:33:35 GMT) Organization: www.sabroso.cjb.net Sabroso's Disco X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Reply-To: "Albert" <notyourd@mmed.business.nl> NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Oct 2000 07:33:35 GMT Newsgroups: a2000.discussie,nl.politiek