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In article <4b6m4o$49p@news.agt.net>, kkerr1@agt.net (Keith W. Kerr) wrote:

> >gfletcher@ccinet.ab.ca (Graham Fletcher) wrote:
> 
> >>Our Service supports Alberta and Canadian businesses, AGT currently
> >>supports American business. We trust that an informed public is a
> >>better-buying public.
> 
> >>"CCInet - serving all Alberta with local Internet access"
> 
> <<snip>>
> 
> I have alot of problem with someone waving this kind of flag around.
> AGT's business and mandate is to provide the best possible service to
> Albertans.   

Seems to sell well when your reps (and some of your superiors) are talking
to me about "buying Alberta", which we do. All of our frame connections
going to our Affiliates are through AGT. We try to remain loyal to the
taxpayers of Alberta and Canada. 

..... Until recently ARnet that CCInet uses was not even a
> professionally run business, it was a research system.  ARnet is now
> run by a non-Albertan company also.  Quality was marginal at best and
> certainly not anything that AGT would want to try to offer a
> professional, high quality service on.

You may want to do some more homework. The fellows who ran ARnet at the U
of A were some of the best Internet and networking people around, and
their downtime is extemely small. You run the risk of insulting the good
people who have excellent credentials doing a great job at that
Institution. I'll stack that gang at the U of A that started Internet in
Alberta against anybody out there. 

> 
> Until a few weeks ago ARnet only had 256 kbps bandwidth, we have
> multiple DS1s running between Edmonton and Calgary alone.  ARnet then
> connects to CAnet which has 2 DS1s supporting everything between
> Toronto and Vancouver, what kind of performance would you expect when
> you have to share that with many, many providers.  Eventually and
> through many hops CAnet connect to ANS exactly where AGT goes
> directly.  You may also be interested to know that many other
> providers in Alberta don't use ARnet either, possibly for similar
> reasons as ours.
> 

More homework is needed on someone's part. I thought that the ARnet
connections to CAnet is through a Newbridge OC3 switch which is in turn
connected to a Cisco 7000 router, which I thought was pretty high end
gear. CAnet's use of the Bell Advanced Communication services for region
to region connectivity (currently running at 8Mb/s both east and west) and
redundant T1s for backup is a far cry from the system that you describe.
Perhaps your information is not as accurate as you thought, or I am
mistaken in what is in use at the CAnet/ARnet hub, and BAC has misled us
and ARnet as to what it is they have in place.

Most of the EDMONTON providers of which I am aware use this connection.
Since UUNet and I*Internet Fonorola were first in providing high end
Internet access in CALGARY one would expect that the smaller ISPs would
naturally use those connections rather than ARnet.


> I also question the last comment and I quote "CCInet - serving all
> Alberta with local Internet access".  If CCInet is really everywhere
> how do they offer service to communities such as Rainbow Lake and
> Hilda?  

Through the local dial-up service of our affiliate in High Level.

I have talked to many people in many remote locations that are
> extremely excited because they are going to get a chance to get access
> to the Internet which does not exist in their areas now.

Having made about 140 presentations to the schoolboards, hospital boards,
Chambers of Commerce, libraries, special interest groups and the general
public over the last 2 1/2 years in all the areas that we cover, which is
pretty well most of Alberta, we at CCInet agree that they ARE excited and
pleased about connecting through a quality ISP.

> 
> Graham was right though an informed public is a better buying public.
> 
> 
> Keith W. Kerr
> Product Manager - AGT Limited


Thank you. Hope the above is instructional. Always glad to help out.

-- 
Graham Fletcher, President, 
CCInet, a division of Corporate Computers Inc.
4130 95 Street, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6E 6H5
(403) 450-6787, Fax: (403) 450-9143
"CCInet - serving almost all of Alberta with local Internet access"