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in article 39708803_7@news.oanet.com, King & Associates Int'l at
kai@5pillars.com  whispered on  7/15/00 9:50 AM:

> Deacon:
> 
>>> Just as acupressure and acupunture have become widely accepted in North
>>> America (did I mention Reflexology??) so will magnetic technology because
>>> like the other unorthodox oriental methods, it works!!

>> Define 'works'. If you are in a roundabout way saying you are unaware of how
>> suggestible and easily mislead we humans are, I can understand why you think
>> a therapy that cannot possibly operate by the principles ascribed to
>>it'work'.

> 
> Well, in human trials you are absolutely correct.  That is why we do
> demonstrations on horses and other animals, this eliminates the "placebo"
> element entirely. Unlike "suggestible and easily mislead ... humans",
> animals have no concept of the "false" effect and have not the mental
> capacity to be fooled into thinking something works, for them it either
> works or it doesn't.
>

...and the animals tell you this how exactly? The weak link again is human
interpretation. The placebo effect is eliminated, the bias is not.


> I would be pleased to act as your host at our next animal demonstration so
> you can see for yourself this stuff "works".  By the way, you may describe
> this as "therapy" but if you re-read my notes you will discover I make NO
> CLAIMS of any medical kind whatsoever and neither do chiropractors or
> acupunturists etc but people still go because for them that particular
> method of relief "works".

Then it is a treatment of identifiable conditions relating to the feet and
your are claiming that it 'works', but you have no valid reason for anyone
to buy it since it's not a therapy because it has no medical value, but you
should still use it as a treatment.

...because it works.

Orwell would be proud.

>  Again, your skeptism may one day be your own
> undoing and you will never understand any of these methods until you open
> your mind and examine them properly for yourself and stop making decisions
> on these supplementary methods based on "what you have heard".

There is no validity behind any of the mechanisms forwarded to 'explain'
these magnetic therapies. Until you have a series of properly run double
blind studies to back it up, you are blowing smoke and pitching to the marks
with emotional anectdotes, then berating critics for thinking about what you
are saying, rather than just opening their wallets.


> 
> For some people and maybe you are one, no matter what I or anyone else say
> you will remain the absolute skeptic until you yourself are in a position
> where you are desperate enough to try anything to get relief.

No, I will remain a skeptic until you prove that any of this has any
validity. That's how it is supposed to work. By making the statement about
desperation, you are exposing one of the driving elements of the snake oil
sales pitch.
> 
> Do yourself a favour and the rest of us too, do not accept your skepticism
> UNTIL you have proven it is well founded with your own research.

You must own a lot of land in Florida, complete with bridges.

You just don't get it, do you? The burden of proof is on the claimant:
that's you, not me. The research has been done and magnetic insoles in
particuliar show no benefit over regular insoles. I do not have to prove
that magnetic insoles are bunk, you have to prove that they are not. Just
like every other treatment and scientific principle, it has to pass the test
with support of evidence, not feel-good anectdotes supplied by the same
people trying to sell you the product.


> Then and
> only then will you have some factual data to back up why you feel the way
> you do then we can have an intelligent discussion based on facts and not
> "feelings" or heresay.

Give it a rest already. You have a quack product and you want to make a
buck. Fine. Don't bother pretending that you have in any way shape or form
demonstrated the veracity of your products. You actually have to count on
your targets NOT knowing anything about magnets.

Here's one for the lurkers. The minute one of these guys starts talking
about unipolar magnets, ask them to show you their Nobel prize. Over three
deacdes of high tech instruments have failed to detect any such thing
(properly called magnetic monopoles), yet a dozen websites claim to have
'unipolar' magnets in their products. It is exactly the same thing as
claiming that they have free-energy machines. They are either deluded or
bald-faced liars. Either way, don't waste your money.


> 
> P.S.  I have no quams about anyone contacting me directly regarding your
> questions.  If you would prefer direct contact as opposed to reading all of
> this dribble in the newsgroups, please direct your questions via email to me
> at kai@5pillars.com and put "questions" in the subject line.  Thank you.
> 

Yeah, don't bother being exposed to any doubt or questions concerning this
stuff. It's bad for business. Just close your mouth and open your wallet.
You will feel lighter, anyway.....


-- 

VVV

Deacon

"Oh, as you can tell, I have never ventured into a chat room. I cannot
tolerate the people I talk to in person, so I cannot think of a reason why I
would want to carry on a conversation with someone I could not hit."
 - Les Pasnak