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6 total messages Started by envirographics Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:43
Which method to install Type 1 Postscript onto XP pro 64bit ?
#119
Author: envirographics
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:43
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Wiki says..ATM Version 4.1.2 is fully compatible with Windows 2000 and XP (It will run on XP 64 bit, but the installer doesn't work so you have to install it on a 32bit version then copy over the files).

How safe is this to do, not wishing to screw up a brand new PC at the start of the build !

Just what is it referring to, what exactly do I do please ?

Is there an equivalent to ATM for 64bit, that functions just as well.

On my 32bit system (I am dual boot XP32/home 64pro) I did try using just Start>Control Panel>Fonts File>install font but it threw up a mesage 'creator of font doesnt want font converted to true type and ok'ing this saw nothing happen it seemed. So on went ATM 4.1, then the registry addition in post#65 of another thread to fix the font invalid problem I was getting, and I proceeded to install all my Type 1's.

I would thus like to use ATM on 64 if poss, in a safe way.

Envirographics
Re: Which method to install Type 1 Postscript onto XP pro 64bit ?
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Author: Dov Isaacs
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:16
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Adobe Type Manager is no longer a marketed, sold, and/or supported by Adobe. Wikipedia is not an expert on Adobe products and does represent our position on products.

Although some users have reported hacking ATM up to somehow install and run on 64-bit versions of Windows, Adobe neither supports nor recommends this. And if you run into problems, you will not get any support from Adobe.

ATM was originally designed for Windows 3.1 with later updates for Windows'9x, Windows NT 4, and Windows 2000. Its primary purpose to provide Type 1 and Multiple Master (and later OpenType CFF) font support to Windows although Type 1 and OpenType CFF support was subsequently provided natively in Windows beginning with Windows 2000 (joint project of Microsoft and Adobe). Fairly primitive font management was the �added-value� of ATM Deluxe compared to ATM Lite � such font management features are not particularly sophisticated and really cannot deal with many thousands of fonts, server-based fonts, etc. The only remaining function supported by ATM (both versions) that is not provided either by Windows natively or can be provided by other �font management� programs is support for Multiple Master fonts. Multiple Master fonts were discontinued in the late 1990s � Adobe strongly recommends that users of same migrate to the equivalent OpenType CFF fonts that mimic the characteristics of the original Multiple Master predefined instances.

Bottom line, we recommend that you install fonts under Windows using the native Windows �install font� feature of the Fonts control panel. We also strongly recommend that you not attempt to use ATM under any version of Vista or any 64-bit version of Windows.

There are third party programs that you might want to investigate for handling font management.

- Dov
Re: Which method to install Type 1 Postscript onto XP pro 64bit ?
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Author: envirographics
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:59
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Hi and thanks for the quick responses,
I am only using ATM Deluxe 4.1
You both say that I should go with the XP OS and its support of Type 1 and that ATM has no purpose now.
My first use of this ControlPanel>Fonts>install font method saw this method try to turn the font into true type, with that warning of font creator does not wish for such. Now this PC is new, it has had XPhome SP2 followed by Freehand then Photoshop, thats it.
This alternate method to using ATM to install Type 1 thus was a dead end for me.

I can't see how I can use that route if having used it, it wanted to convert to True type. Does it do this normally, and also install the type 1 fonts. What will my various progs make of fonts if they are TT and not Type 1. I read in the ATM readme that installing ATM Deluxe after Type 1 fonts have been installed via Control Panel method would see ATM locate and find the Type 1 files assoc with the TT fonts that were made. Sounds like windows creates TT and keeps Type 1 also on the system.

If it also installs Type 1 along with making a second set as TT then all's well, though I end up with twice as many fonts ! ?

I have on my previous PC used ATM 4.1 Deluxe, that was also XP home 32bit. Same XP disc in fact. Its now a dead PC. With the new PC I installed ATM deluxe without even thinking, as I always used it to load on Type 1 Postscript fonts and like it.

I just dont what to do now, given my experience, for my 64 bit OS. I shall keep ATM deluxe 4.1 on my 32bit, as it made easy work of installing my fonts there. The 64bit is my worry now.

Envirographics
Re: Which method to install Type 1 Postscript onto XP pro 64bit ?
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Author: Herb
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:18
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Envirographics wrote:
"My first use of this ControlPanel>Fonts>install font method saw this 
method try to turn the font into true type, with that warning of font 
creator does not wish for such."

XP does not convert to truetype
ATM does not and never has converted to truetype.

Windows NT is/was the ONLY Microsoft operating system that converted 
T1 to truetype.

Are you sure that you didn't use an NT installation disk? Unless XP64 
has some old buried NT code in it that you've accidentally managed to 
unearth.

The problem shouldn't have anything to do with your dual boot system, 
unless somehow the two OS's aren't completely independent and are 
sharing some critical file or other, or your disk assignments somehow 
overlap or you forgot which OS you were on when or ... (just grasping 
at straws here).

Another remote possibility - the video driver problem referred to in 
another thread. The fix you applied to XP32 might be equally necessary 
with XP64.

Exactly which fonts have you tried and gotten what results with? 
Include the file names, the versions, etc. There are countless 
variations of 'Adobe Garamond', for instance.

"I read in the ATM readme that installing ATM Deluxe after Type 1 
fonts have been installed via Control Panel method would see ATM 
locate and find the Type 1 files assoc with the TT fonts that were made."

You are misreading that section. (2.2.1 of the ATM 4.1x readme).

What that says applies ONLY to Windows NT, and describes the actions 
taken IF you try to install a T1 with ATM when NT had previously 
installed a converted TT version of the same font.

"Sounds like windows creates TT and keeps Type 1 also on the system."
Again - only NT, and it keeps a backup copy of TT fonts that it 
removes/uninstalls/deactivates. No operating system knows what to do 
with two different identically named (internally) versions of the same 
font installed, regardless of format.

See this page, too:
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1553

  - Herb
Re: Which method to install Type 1 Postscript onto XP pro 64bit ?
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Author: Dov Isaacs
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:22
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If you are getting a message associated with the system wanting to convert a Type 1 font to TrueType, it is indicative that you somehow messed up your operating system's ability to deal at all with Type 1 fonts. This may have been due to attempts to install ATM where it should not have been installed and/or to subsequently uninstall ATM.

There is one fix to try. Go to <http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1553> and download ATMFix.exe and run it (must be an �administrator� for this to work). This should restore your ability to use the native Windows support to install and use Type 1 and OpenType CFF fonts.

Note for the record that Adobe does not recommend use of Windows XP 64-bit as it was more of a �work in progress� than a production operating system environment. Vista 64-bit is the first 64-bit Windows desktop operating system that Adobe supports and recommends (although obviously not with discontinued products such as ATM).

- Dov
Re: Which method to install Type 1 Postscript onto XP pro 64bit ?
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Author: Herb
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:13
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Are you talking about ATM Light or ATM Deluxe? ATM Deluxe, with its 
font management features, is not supported. Other font management 
utilities are widely available.

The only need for ATM on Windows XP is if you're using Multiple Master 
fonts. XP contains built-in support for Type 1 and all OpenType fonts. 
  Unlike Windows NT4, which converted T1's to Truetype, Windows XP and 
Windows 2000 use Type 1 fonts natively.

I have no idea what configuration or other utilities you may have that 
resulted in the message "creator of font doesn't want font converted 
to true type". This is definitely NOT a Windows or Adobe message, and 
I've never seen anything in Fontographer or FontLab (font creation 
programs) that would provide such a creator's option.

Note that if you have already installed ATM 4.1, removing it destroys 
XP's native ability to install and use Type 1 fonts. One remedy is to 
install 4.1.2 and then un-install it, which leaves XP's T1 handling 
intact.

  - Herb
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