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10 total messages Started by dave_ingraham Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:58
Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#170
Author: dave_ingraham
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:58
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Hi all,
My company's corporate font is Univers, and for the past 8 years we have been using a Type 1 version for all our literature and materials. I recently was given a new workstation (HP EliteBook 8730w) and the video driver doesn't like Type 1 fonts. There's no telling how long it will take for HP and NVidia to come up with a new driver, so we're thinking about buying a the TrueType version of Univers so I can still do my job.

My biggest concern is that I have numerous brochures (built in InDesign) that go through regular updates. Are there any issues that I should be aware of if we do switch to the TrueType version? Is there a chance that the fonts will be different enough to throw off my layouts and force me to re-format every printed piece that I have to update? Is there a chance that InDesign won't recognize the TT version as being the same font?

Thanks in advance,
Dave
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#172
Author: Herb
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:31
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A number of things here.

Primarily, you can't have two different versions of the same font 
installed at the same time.

ANY two different versions of the same typeface, regardless of format, 
even if from the same vendor, may not be identical, and may result in 
reflow differences as a minimum.

There are also intrinsic differences in the fonts themselves. The 
mathematics of the way the shapes are created are different between T1 
and TT. The two formats use different techniques for hinting. The 
rendering engines that interpret the font to display on a screen or 
convert them for placing ink on the printed page are also different.

Most of the time, these differences can only be seen under close 
analysis; sometimes however, they are significant.

When you DO get the correct driver, you have to be careful not to 
install two different fonts with the same name ... any OS WILL get 
confused, with unpredictable results.

  - Herb
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#174
Author: dave_ingraham
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:15
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Thanks Herb. Hopefully HP will come through with a new driver. However, if they don't and we do end up buying the TT version, I will make sure to remove the T1 versions before installing the TT and just keep a close eye on my documents when/if I need to revise them.
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#191
Author: Alienontherun
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:38
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Hi Herb,

Could you tell me if I can rename one the fonts and install them both?

A
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#192
Author: Herb
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:59
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 > Allen, while running, asked:

 >  Could you tell me if I can rename one of the fonts and install 
them both?

Yes - but you have to change the INTERNAL font names, not just the 
external FILE name, which except for the extension (if Windows) 
carries no meaning. In general, it takes a font editor such as FontLab 
or Fontographer. You can use FontCreator to change the fontnames for 
truetype fonts only. It has a free trial available.

If it's a member of a family, with bold, italic, etc. variants, you'd 
need to change all members of the family and keep the relationships 
intact.

   - Herb
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#193
Author: Dov Isaacs
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:46
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On behalf of Adobe, I would strongly recommend that you not hack around like this with fonts. Solve the real problem. Don't use a workaround that will could cause more problems than it will solve.

- Dov
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#194
Author: Herb
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:30
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Dov - In principal, I fully agree with you. However, in practice, 
there are some situations where ONLY truetype fonts can be used.

  Examples include embroidery programs that do their own rendering to 
'convert' from text to stitches in a design file. In this case, font 
quality isn't an issue, given the the comparitively low resolution 
available when using thread instead of ink or pixels :)

While a font manager would be appropriate for switching between T1 and 
TT versions of a font, in our multi-tasking world some people would 
really like to be able to have both a high quality original Adobe T1 
font installed for preparing a document while taking breaks from an 
embroidery digitization task.

  - Herb
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#196
Author: Dov Isaacs
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:21
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In the general case, in investigating such programs, we have found that in fact, they really don't need TrueType fonts as opposed to Type 1 or OpenType CFF fonts, but rather, improperly parameterize their OS calls to exclude anything other than TrueType. Such programs do not do their own rendering, but let the OS do it and for which it is irrelevant whether the font is TrueType or Type 1. Examples of programs that improperly set their calls to exclude Type 1 fonts are Apple's FileMaker Pro and Microsoft's Visio.

- Dov
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#198
Author: Thomas_Phinney
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:49
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The underlying problem for the original poster was resolved in another thread.

--- start of email from HP ---

Good news. Nvidia has identified the problem and provided a fix. The way it was explained to me, Windows expects the device driver to be a certain size (maximum). In this case, the nvidia driver is slightly larger than expected. A simply registry entry will resolve the issue in WinXP (the issue doesn't occur in Vista).

To resolve the problem, do the following:

Open the registry editor (regedit)

Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management

Add a new REG_DWORD entry called SessionImageSize with a value (decimal) of 20

Reboot

The Type 1 fonts should now open/install without any problems.

--- End of HP email ---
Re: Switching a font from Type 1 to TrueType. Will they be different?
#101
Author: dave_ingraham
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:46
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Yes it was. And contrary to personal experiences from a few years ago, the tech support from HP on this was excellent. Once I got to tier 2 support, they were very responsive and I had direct phone/email access to my support rep. For having to deal with HP *and* NVidia, this was resolved rather quickly.

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