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No.

I support but I'm create print, video and web publications so rather as in the PS wokspace the possibility of composing the menu, key, color workflow, default palettes, templates, etc.

Definitely no.

Make eleven:

Illustrator RGB Web
Illustrator CMYK Print
Illustrator RGB Print
Illustrator Transparent Spot
Illustrator Opaque Spot
Illustrator Signage
Illustrator Embroidery
Commercial Illustrator
Cartoon Illustrator
Paper Doily Illustrator

and my favorite:

Technical Illustrator

Then bundle them together in one Illustrator C&S (Cumbersome and Sloppy) Master Collection.

;-)

JET

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:35:43 +0000, jhoner@adobeforums.com wrote:

> How about splitting Illustrator into Print and Web.

I'd like that. But rather than two different packages, how about an installer 
option - install for Print, for Web or for both?

-- 
Michael

mhphillips at gmail dot com

Not a good idea. Most people who do stuff for the web also do print-stuff and the other way around. And which features would you cut out for one or the other target?

The problem with Illustrator is that it is a vector application and most things created for the web is pixelbased (or Flash-based). Not that I find Illustrator to be the optimal application to do do web-stuff in - FireWorks is FAR better for that.

Show me a client who needs an illusrtation for print, and I'll show you a client who needs the same illustration for the web.

Why would I want to complicate my life by having to launch (licence, continually upgrade) both a "web" and a "print" version of AI?

JET

On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:37:48 +0000, James_Talmage@adobeforums.com wrote:

> Why would I want to complicate my life by having to launch (licence, 
> continually upgrade) both a "web" and a "print" version of AI?

But with a 'clever' installer you could opt for 'Print only' or for 'Web 
only', giving you a leaner installation of AI, or for the full shebang of 
'Print + Web'. Your life would be no more complicated, James. There would 
still be only one application to launch and you would still need only a 
single licence.

-- 
Michael

mhphillips at gmail dot com

And who would write this " clever installer"? Adobe? Ha!

Again, every client I have needs its marketing, identity graphics, illustrations in all arenas. And "all arenas" is not limited to just offset printing and web. There's signage, screen printing, flexography, and others.

A well-designed illustration program should have no difficulty providing features needed for deployment to print and web in the same interface.

I oppose this idea.

JET

Actually I think that two editions of Illustrator could be a good idea.

We could have an Avant-garde Illustrator, which will include all the new features (live trace, live color, blob brushes, etc.) and all the good things that make working with it a really �enhanced user experience�. At each new upgrade a lot of new great features will be added; maybe sometime new features will introduce little bugs, little crushes, few extra nodes, few more lost files, some new error messages, but those are just little details that generally don�t take away the pleasure of upgrading.

Then we could have a Classic Illustrator. This edition will have all the present features that just cause serious problems and crushes removed; everything that makes a �not so enhanced user experience� should be gone.
Get rid also of some basic bug that has been there for ages, by now they should know where they are.
Some people may not like this stripped down version, but others may enjoy a not so exciting and eventful workday. Less lost files, maybe a few more steps to complete our illustrations, but don�t we all know how to draw? Otherwise the Avant-garde crashware will always be available for purchase and upgrade.

How Adobe could convince people to buy this basic version? Easy, add few little insignificant details to it.
Just some old stuff that has been there for ages:
Complete the capabilities of the pen tool including the ability to retract the outgoing handle on the fly without loosing the orientation, differentiate the smooth and symmetric condition, switching smart guides on and off without loosing the path, etc.

Add basic support for geometry and geometric basic shapes, including dragging a circle from point A to point B (not its bounding box only), 3 points circle, divide a segment by N, add normals and tangents (we are not talking CAD here, but basic drawing capabilities).

The list could go on for a while, but this list already exist, it has been in the features list of most other vector programs for the last fifteen years or so.

Alfredo

Scott,

thanks for reading my post and getting the point. Thanks also for letting me know that I can use Illustrator 8 and I am not obliged to upgrade.

What I am talking about is a stable and usable version, which also includes basic features that were missing in version 8 and are still missing in CS4. Features that should be part of a vector drawing and illustration software. Basic things that have been asked for long time, but never implemented just because are not flashing enough and don�t fill the mouth with big descriptions.

Alfredo

      What I am talking about is a stable and usable version, which also includes
      basic features that were missing in version 8 and are still missing in
      CS4.




Shoot, we all want that one. Splitting Illustrator into two or more versions isn't going to produce that. Drowning Illustrator like an unwanted kitten and replacing it with the puppy we've wanted for years is what's called for.

I don't want a puppy.

The vector drawing category is full of nothing but puppies.

I want a lean, mean, efficient, and obedient full-grown attack dog.

JET

      I want a lean, mean, efficient, and obedient full-grown attack dog.




Which starts out as...?

      Which starts out as...?




A new vector drawing program to replace this worn-out dog.

JET

Alfredo Malchiodi - 12:35pm Mar 3, 09 PST (#11 of 17)		
Actually I think that two editions of Illustrator could be a good idea.

NO NO NO.

One version and one licence Ai but save workspace, menu etc. as PhotoShop solutions.

Marius,

If you read my post again you will see that it was just a joke about the path Adobe has chosen for Illustrator. New problems are introduced at each new upgrade and the old problems are never addressed.

If some old problem is addressed, the fix is added to the next upgrade and not released as update. This only creates a trade of old problems with new problems and there is no way out.

. . . . �We could have an Avant-garde Illustrator, which will include all the new features (live trace, live color, blob brushes, etc.) and all the good things that make working with it a really �enhanced user experience�. At each new upgrade a lot of new great features will be added; maybe sometime new features will introduce little bugs, little crushes, few extra nodes, few more lost files, some new error messages, but those are just little details that generally don�t take away the pleasure of upgrading.� . . . . .

have a good day

Alfredo

Yes I know :)
Just I'm afraid and called out to shout. :(

JET is in fine form. However it would be handy to turn off fancy features I never use in my cartographic work (effects, blurs, etc.) in the same way, in FreeHand, one can turn the Plug-Ins on or off.