Grep Styles/Nested Styles from the end of the paragraph

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7 total messages Started by TomAbc Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:57

#10

Author: TomAbc
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:57

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Hi -

It appears that grep styles, and nested styles only allow you to apply styles from the beginning of the paragraph until the match.

I'd like to be able to apply styles from the END of the paragraph going back.

This would allow me to apply a non-breaking character style to the end of a paragraph to control "runts". You could make the last two words of a paragraph non breaking, or set a 15 character threshold.

This wouldn't work for all cases, but I'm working with centered, non-justified text, so it should work fine. If the feature was there.

I'm sure there are other things one could do with it as well.

There's a good discussion, and a MANUAL work-around on
 <http://pdsassoc.com/tipsCS/DeruntingParagraphs/index.html>

Tom

Re: Grep Styles/Nested Styles from the end of the paragraph

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Author: Dave_Saunders
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:42

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With the arrival on the scene of GREP styles, you can indeed now do directly my derunting as described on that page you referenced.

Now, if only my GREP were good enough that I could dash it off. After some fiddling about, I came up with this:

Create a No Break character style then apply it using a GREP style to:

[^\s]+\s+[^\s]+$

that will force the last two words of the paragraph to have no break applied to it.

Dave

Re: Grep Styles/Nested Styles from the end of the paragraph

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Author: jongware
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:18

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Indeed, Dave. A tiny improvement on your nigh-on perfect answer would be that

      \w




matches any word character -- you don't have to 'negate' space. A simple

      \w\s+\w+\s*$




does the trick. You only have to specify one single character of the 2nd to last word, although a side effect is that this word might be broken (but if that bothers you, use '\w+' instead). The final '\s*' is to ignore zero-or-more space characters at the end of the paragraph, as there always seems to be.

Re: Grep Styles/Nested Styles from the end of the paragraph

#13

Author: jongware
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:51

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[?? But what happens to punctuation, using \w? Can't check now .. Oh no -- and the 'Edit Post' button is already gone ..]

Re: Grep Styles/Nested Styles from the end of the paragraph

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Author: Dave_Saunders
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:40

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I started out with \w and couldn't make it work.

Dave

Re: Grep Styles/Nested Styles from the end of the paragraph

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Author: TomAbc
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:02

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Thanks folks. I didn't futz with it long enough. You are correct, it works as it is.

So I ended up with

\w+(\s+\w+){3}\.?\r

To keep the last 4 words together (3 + 1), with an optional period at the end.

Or

.{10}\r

To keep the last 10 chars together.

Tom

Re: Grep Styles/Nested Styles from the end of the paragraph

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Author: Dave_Saunders
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:48

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I hope your column is wide enough to accommodate four long words; if not, you've created a permanent overset.

I was thinking about this the other day:

1. InDesign CS4 is far less likely to create runts because of a change in the algorithm for setting justified type.

2. Rather than think in terms of words at the end of the paragraph, it might be better to think in terms of number of characters. For example, say the only word on the last line of a paragraph is "misunderstanding." -- is that a runt? I think I could live with that. Better than forcing "a catastrophic, horrendous misunderstanding." on to the last line of a two-line paragraph, rendering utterly terrible spacing in the first line.

Dave

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