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Keep the Win98 PC for PM4.

Iechyd da! John
23:01 17/12/2008 GMT

Even that could be a stretch...PM 4 was released in 1992 or 93 and 
predates even Win 95.

Bob

Reminds me of when I tried to install Illustrator 4 (windows) on a Windows 98 PC once. I got an error dialogue box diricting me to Adobe.com for an upgrade.

PM4 will almost certainly not work on Vista. As many here will say, InDesign is the present and future of DTP accroding to Adobe. If InDesign is too rich in features and price, then I know many others who swear by Serif PagePlus.

Ian

One advantage of moving to Serif Pageplus is that, if you have your 
Pagemaker document in pdf format, Pageplus will open it for further editing.
I have found this invaluable for resuscitating legacy documents.

David Foster]

<Ian_Matthew@adobeforums.com> wrote in message 
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> Reminds me of when I tried to install Illustrator 4 (windows) on a Windows 
> 98 PC once. I got an error dialogue box diricting me to Adobe.com for an 
> upgrade.
>
> PM4 will almost certainly not work on Vista. As many here will say, 
> InDesign is the present and future of DTP accroding to Adobe. If InDesign 
> is too rich in features and price, then I know many others who swear by 
> Serif PagePlus.
>
> Ian 

Ive been experimenting with Pagemaker 7 in Windows 7 beta. Seems to run fine. I was never interested in Vista. I have Indesign CS4 but its overkill for the 240 page catalog we do and I dont need all the bells & whistles.

I'm pleased to hear you have successfully installed PM7 on Windows 7 beta, but before you get too smug, make sure you have lots of backups of your PM files as be assured this will bite back at you at some point, probably at a critical moment.

Iechyd da! John
20:48 11/03/2009 GMT

No worries. If it becomes a problem, I'll just keep PM7 on an XP machine. I have ID CS4, but its a bit of overkill for now. The program doesnt convert PM7 files well. It takes to much time to fix each one, and since I have over 4000 PM7 files, I wont be jumping to convert anytime soon.

Robert_L._Cook wrote:
>  and since I have over 4000 PM7 files, I wont be jumping to convert anytime soon.
>   
Do you really think you need to convert all 4000 files? Are all of those 
files active, and need updating on a regular basis?
Jay

Yes. I manage a 240 page catalog that changes 4 times a year and contains, on average, 1800-2300 products. Many times we may reopen an ad that might be 3 years old in order to place it on the catalog. The way I designed the catalog was so that no matter what size the ad box, they would all jigsaw fit the publication to speed placement. The ad is contained in a box, one ad per file name. The box (whatever size it may be) contains text or multiple text boxes (threaded), 1 or more images, (CMYK or B&W). The problem has always been that these products change constantly, its not like, say, an office supply catalog that basically never changes. So (if) I were to change, all the files would have to be ready to go also. Even as we speak, the upcoming catalog current has 745 new ads (PM files)ready at any time PLUS all the previous ads (minus the sold prooducts). IF you want, send me your email and I will forward you some examples of what we do.

PS to the previous post......
I do have IDCS4 I'm playing with, plus Photoshop CS4 I bought a month ago. My current problem is I had to revert back to Photoshop CS2 because the presets I use in CS4 crash the program (among other problems, ie: the CS4 forum). I edit 300-500 RAW photos a month for the publication, the web & PDF. I cant play games with constant setbacks. As "101" as Pagemaker is, it has worked since I started using it in 1990.

Robert_L._Cook@adobeforums.com wrote:
> Yes. I manage a 240 page catalog that changes 4 times a year and contains, on average, 1800-2300 products.

You open, copy and paste from 1800-2300 pagemaker files per catalog? 
With Indesign you could simply place other Indesign files, no copying 
and pasting, The ads could be automatically centered inside a frame (ad 
box). You would have a bit more of a conversion process than most 
people, but Indesign would cut down on your production time.

You could use pdfs created from your existing pagemaker ads as a 
transition, converting the new/changed ads to indesign as needed. I'm 
pretty sure you can script the creation of pdf s from your pagemaker 
documents. Indesign's handling of pdf files is way better than pagemaker

Jay

> Indesign's handling of pdf files is way better than pagemaker

InDesign's handling of EVERYTHING is way better than Pagemaker. Yes, 
there's a learning curve but the time saved in the long run will be 
substantial.

Bob

What I do is tile the windows of the publication and the ad on the screen. Then grab the ad (encircle)and drag & drop the ad somewhere on a page, in a 16 page signature. (The 6 signatures have been pre-designed with snapto guides and presets so they can drop in anywhere, any size. As I fill the pages, I index, then move on to fill the signature. Save as to clean it up and rename. After the sig. is done, I postscript (.ps) each page and drop it into distiller in predesigned Creo settings job.options (the commercial printer we have uses Creo imposition software). After I've created 240 PDF's, I upload to the printer and 14 days later we have 60,000 catalogs. So you see my process. I will continue to play with IDCS4 and see how it goes. Thanks.....

I would check out some of the catalog plugins that have been created for 
Indesign. They might take a bit to set up, but they could really cut the 
amount of work you have to do for each issue.


http://www.emsoftware.com/products/incatalog/
http://www.woodwing.com/en/Smart_Catalog
Jay