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49 total messages Started by Donald_Reese Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:42
overlay images?
#1177
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:42
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Any bright ideas how to make this barn look like its part of the peeling paint? i tried overlay, multiply and just about every other blend mode, but nothing looks like what i see from other people compositing things like this. the barn never looks like its painted on the paint chips.

 <http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1NPE15IBhRqOQC13X2ZX35cYJFf>
Re: overlay images?
#1179
Author: Ann_Shelbourne
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:00
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Try the "Darker Color" or "Color Burn" layer modes � and reduce opacity.
Re: overlay images?
#1193
Author: Allen_Wicks
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:52
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Also try painting on a new layer using the Clone Stamp tool with various opacities/fill of the tool and of the layer itself.
Re: overlay images?
#1107
Author: Ramona_Dear
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:36
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<http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1pjxLUejF71t6sdCHhBnNdJkwt1qJJ1>

this?
Re: overlay images?
#1110
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:54
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Yes ramona, along those lines. what exactly did you do for that version?
Re: overlay images?
#1115
Author: Ramona_Dear
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:22
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I layered with the texture on top and added a mask ... then I used the brush tool with a 35% opacity and blended.
Re: overlay images?
#1120
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:19
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What do you mean by blended? do you mean brushed away certain areas to reveal the barn or a blending mode choice.
Re: overlay images?
#1124
Author: Ramona_Dear
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:53
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brushed away with a soft round brush .. I'm sure it can be done better, .. I didn't spend a lot of time on it .. and probably better with a textured brush rather than just a soft round.
Re: overlay images?
#1126
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:08
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Okay,thanks for your suggestions.
Re: overlay images?
#1128
Author: Ramona_Dear
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:19
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I hope it helped! ... you gonna show us the final?
Re: overlay images?
#1130
Author: Ho
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:39
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Donald, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing the Advanced Blending function is for in the layers palette.

 <http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1OUTsELIvpXdOS85lwzqDoBc7tgfHe>
Re: overlay images?
#1133
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:59
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Is there a big difference between that area and using the layers palette blending modes? i am not sure of the difference between the two. nice job by the way.
Re: overlay images?
#1136
Author: Ho
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:06
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Yes. The "blend if" sliders at the bottom affect the interaction pixels on different layers in ways that the usual blending modes do not. You really can't duplicate the look (easily) any other way.

 <http://www.panosfx.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=82&Itemid=29>
Re: overlay images?
#1138
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:56
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Thanks
Re: overlay images?
#1139
Author: Ramona_Dear
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:00
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Ho, do you use this blending on the entire image or do you use a mask and then adjust the blending?
Re: overlay images?
#1144
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:28
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Dont hammer me too hard. i usually would never even try this sort of thing, but maybe the owner will like it. its my first attempt and yes it does give more control. thanks again.

 <http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=12WAZW5il03oikM67OpmGSap58vF>
Re: overlay images?
#1147
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:01
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Here's my quick stab at it.



church-test.psd <http://www.silkrooster.com/adobe-forums/church-test.psd>

I used the luminosity from the channels to create a mask. I did use a brush to remove the edges of the boards on the mask it self.
Re: overlay images?
#1148
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:03
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Oops That jpg was with a white background. here it is with a black background which matches the psd file.
Re: overlay images?
#1149
Author: Wade_Zimmerman
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:08
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Donald the colors are too saturated for a peeling painting it is perhaps conceptually not quite correct, it should have some sense of vibrance but not be vibrant.
Re: overlay images?
#1001
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:22
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Here is one that is done to the church only.



church only psd <http://www.silkrooster.com/adobe-forums/church-test-churchonly.psd>
Re: overlay images?
#1003
Author: Ram�n_G_Casta�eda
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:15
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"Church"? Silly me, I thought it was a barn.
Re: overlay images?
#1004
Author: Ann_Shelbourne
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:16
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This is what happens if you overlay the church in "Darker Color" mode at 50% Opacity plus a touch of "Blend if �.

 <http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1V2GgQzQ3k9wrg90TMfLd3dRzVv0>
Re: overlay images?
#1005
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:22
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Don't ask me why I thought it was a church.
Re: overlay images?
#1006
Author: Ho
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:50
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      Ho, do you use this blending on the entire image or do you use a mask
      and then adjust the blending?




Normally the former, but it's really image dependant.
Re: overlay images?
#1007
Author: Ramona_Dear
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:31
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I thought it a church too!
Re: overlay images?
#1010
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:34
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Just an old barn/garage from bygone days. I love all the various interpretations offered. now i need to try them myself.
Re: overlay images?
#1024
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:06
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Silkrooster, would you care to explain how i could end up with the white version you posted in 16? I like Anns too,but there again i cannot quite match the look.
Re: overlay images?
#1025
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:45
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The background layer is filled with white instead of black.
Re: overlay images?
#1026
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:50
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If white is too intense you could try a darker shade of gray or put a white filled layer above the black layer and use opacity as a visual way to decide on the amount of white.
Re: overlay images?
#1027
Author: Ramona_Dear
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:01
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my fav is #17 ... i am presuming black is the background layer.
I'm looking through my shots to try and find something to do this with!! ha ha! and dangit ... I don't have the time! ;) I should be working on a mardi gras ball. I guess it never hurts to take a break! :)
Re: overlay images?
#1028
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:05
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Silkrooster, i do not know what you mean in post 27? I have been basically dragging one photo onto the other and trying the blending dialog ho shared, but what are you adding to that mix?
Re: overlay images?
#1029
Author: Ramona_Dear
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:09
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<http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1GTb2KyJ9AcwN8sOJktQsvqONcIbVj0>

a Break!! ;)
Re: overlay images?
#1030
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:26
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The psd file is in post #16 just below the image. That psd is for post #17. Sorry if I am confusing anyone. I decided to leave post 16 as is just for another option. There is no psd for #16. The only difference between the two image is the color of the background layer.

Here is a break down image. Maybe this will help any new users reading this.
Re: overlay images?
#1031
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:38
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Ramona,that looks good.

Silkrooster. i will review that when i have more sleep. looks complicated, and even though it shows what was done, i like to hear why choices are made to reach a result. helps me grasp things. thanks for your time on that.
Re: overlay images?
#1032
Author: Ram�n_G_Casta�eda
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:36
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Darned forum margins busters!

Silkrooster, please use thumbnails like at Pixentral, or reduce the suze of your images before posting them here. >:(

 <http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1e3RMaYXb4rjAkdEOwcxURNx8W3J1>
Re: overlay images?
#1034
Author: Ann_Shelbourne
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:04
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      I like Anns too,but there again i cannot quite match the look.




There are some new Layer Modes in the later versions of Photoshop � but I am not sure in which version they first appeared.

I used "Darker Color" (where which ever Layer holds the DARKER color in overlying pixels predominates ; but there us also a "Lighter Color" Mode in which the Lighter Pixel takes precedence.

"Lighter Color" Mode would produce this effect where the lighter tones gain prominence and, in this case, the white paint (which was in fact the UNDER-layer totally over-powers the barn which only shows up when it covers bare wood.

Posts just for interest because its not what you want for this image but could be if you had a white church and a dark texture underneath.

 <http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1GmJAwCbk0Fiw3TONccbM8KeokUCQb0>
Re: overlay images?
#1035
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:10
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I really like everyones input on this. the one thing i wish i could pull off would be actually only having the barn appear on the paint itself,but i guess that would require a lot of layer mask brushing. i still want to try replicating a few of these attempts.
Re: overlay images?
#1036
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:22
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Silkrooster, again thanks for trying but i think some of this layer stuff is beyond what i have tried. for instance, i am not sure how the mask behind the barn layer is the paint chips? i usually apply a layer mask to hide or reveal things, so i would expect that mask to look white behind the barn. dont get too concerned trying to teach me some of these techniques. i will hash them out when i have time to delve deeper,which should be in another twenty years or so.
Re: overlay images?
#1038
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:19
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Silkrooster, i did attempt what i thought were certain ideas you conveyed and they did help. i think this is my final attempt at this project which was strictly for fun. too much time invested,but it was fun seeing different ideas on a subject.

 <http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1hTYhh1ucCD43TQaUfQu0ZuTws6qj>
Re: overlay images?
#1040
Author: Wade_Zimmerman
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 07:32
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That is actually pretty good from a technique and conceptual point of view.
Re: overlay images?
#1048
Author: LRK
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:18
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I like what you ended up doing Donald.

As as side note, it's been refreshing to see the camaraderie in this forum recently. And generous advice both here and in the Mac thread, and others. This is the kind of spirit that made these forums so special in the first place. So happy to see it returning.
Re: overlay images?
#1054
Author: Wade_Zimmerman
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:50
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      So happy to see it returning.




I think I can fix this�let me think about the best and strongest way of going about this
Re: overlay images?
#1057
Author: LRK
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:59
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      I think I can fix this�let me think about the best and strongest way of
      going about this




:-)
Re: overlay images?
#1059
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:31
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Thanks, i am always amazed how your perception can change when you see someone else put their spin on something. I definitely like my second attempt better, but i dont know if i could repeat it if i had too.
Re: overlay images?
#1067
Author: Wade_Zimmerman
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:22
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You would be able to repeat it even if at first you screw it up it would all come back to you and things would fall into place.
Re: overlay images?
#1068
Author: Ann_Shelbourne
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:03
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I think that the technique that Wade is talking about that lets you map an image to another grayscale texture or shaded object could be Filter/Distort/Displace?
Re: overlay images?
#1069
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16
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If the texture was repeatable you might be able to use the texture filter or pattern fill.
Donald have you tried just overlaying the texture over top of the barn and lowering the opacity. The texture would not be as strong but it may be another way to go. The advantage would be no masks. But if you want to get rid of the edges of the boards then I believe masks may be the way to go.
There are so may ways to accomplish this, some better than others.
Re: overlay images?
#1070
Author: Donald_Reese
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:19
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Yes, i have no trouble with masks, but when you got into the white and black fill layer, that was new to me. at first i hated the board lines, then on my second attempt,i thought it was a little funky to not have them showing. i am anxious to see if the property owner likes it or hates it. either way it was fun experimenting.
Re: overlay images?
#1085
Author: Silkrooster
Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 06:56
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Because the mask was applied directly to the barn image what ever thats beneath it will effect the finale image.
The wood texture is actually removing portion of the barn image therefore a white fill or black fill would show through.
Experimenting is always fun for me anyways. :)
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