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Started by Miaelb
Tue, 01 Jun 2004 03:09
Which Color Laser Printer To Buy: True PS vs. PS Emulator?
Author: Miaelb
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 03:09
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 03:09
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Hello, I am a production manager for a small business who is looking to purchase a color laser printer that will be my ultimate workhorse. I am working on two 700-page books that are predominantly BW, so fast output is very helpful. But I will also be designing some 4C pieces for collateral and book covers, so having above-average color fidelity is also extremely desirable (it will be as close to an in-house proofing system as we are likely to get). This printer also needs to work with both a Mac G5 and a PC with Windows XP. I am using Quark Xpress, Illustrator CS and Photoshop CS. Also our commercial printers will be printing these books (all 1400 pages that are chockful of ads and graphics) entirely from PDF files that I will be running. I am handicapped by price; I am likely to have to buy this printer out of my own pocket, so I am looking for less expensive than more so, both in terms of inital price and toner/supplies. I cannot afford a high-end Xerox Phaser, and am coming to the sinking conclusion I may have to fork out up to two grand to get the features I need. I absolutely cannot afford over $2,000. Less would be far better. My main question has to do with Postscript. There are relatively few such color lasers in my price range with true PS. Hewlitt-Packard has plenty of cheaper printers with PS emulators, but will this really do the trick? Or do I need to stick with true Postscript (like PS 3)? I also want to minimize nasty surprises once I run the final press PDFs. This could make the difference between whether I buy a $1,000 or $2,000 machine. Reading online printer comparisons, skimming printer manufacturer advertising, and talking to bumbling sales people in electronics stores has now confused me more than anything else : ) Any advice on the PS issue, as well as recommendations on what color laser printers in my price range are best (color, reliability, cost to maintain, cross-platform compatibility), would be absolutely wonderful. I really appreciate your taking the time to respond to my desperate call for help!
Re: Which Color Laser Printer To Buy: True PS vs. PS Emulator?
Author: Miklos_Somogyi
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:59
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 07:59
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Hi, I don't think that "true PS vs PS emulator" has too much relevance to your requirements. Also, most PS printers come as PS 3 (language level 3), true PS or PS Emulator. I'd like to add just one point of caution. You seem to need a fast printer, B&W and colour. There are a few "one pass" printers in the HP and Xerox camps that could be tempting for you and perhaps would fit in your budget (if you meant $US2000). These printers have the same speed in colour % B&W and regarding this feat, they are moderately priced. However, your ongoing costs could be very unpleasant. You need to replace colour cartridges not when they are empty, but when they are accessed by a given number of times. If you just highlight a single word by red in a page, it is one step down the road. You may need to replace a cartridge (that is much more expensive for this kind of printers) when it is nearly full. Study the HP 4600 posts at HP's peer-to-peer website. Miklos
Re: Which Color Laser Printer To Buy: True PS vs. PS Emulator?
Author: Dov Isaacs
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:51
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:51
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[Disclaimer: As an Adobe employee, I obviously have a financial interest in your use of devices with Adobe PostScript, not emulations thereof] There are several issues here. One is related to how �good� or �bad� various emulations of PostScript are compared to Adobe PostScript. Another is whether you can get away with a very inexpensive color laser printer for the purposes you describe. And finally, you do need to concern yourself with cost of supplies. In terms of the �emulations� of PostScript, some are more credible than others. The actual end-user cost of a printer generally does not reflect the cost of Adobe PostScript to the manufacturer in any significant manner � that is urban legend. However, you should be aware that we have received many, many reports of problems printing from Acrobat, InDesign, and Illustrator when printers with such �emulations� are used. Sometimes, the manufacturer of such printers provide free firmware updates to fix the problems, sometimes they charge for such fixes, and sometimes they have no fixes at all. The problems stem from the failure to fully and properly test such emulations against the publicly available (and free) PostScript language specification. The second issue is more problematic. Until you get to the �higher end� color laser printers, you do not have a device which can really be used for �proofing� in terms of consistent / reliable color output. You also need to concern yourself with paper handling. The ability to properly and consistently feed and print on anything other than 20 or 24 lb. regular smooth, white paper may be less than stellar on the el'cheapo models. For slightly under $2000 (specifically $1799), you can get a Xerox Phaser 6250/N color xerographic printer (actually doesn't use lasers, but uses LEDs) with network option and 256MB of memory. In my experience, this would probably be the �least� you can get away with in terms of the needs you specified in your posting. (This particular printer also works exceptionally well with both Windows and Macintosh using TCP/IP - both MacOS 9 and MacOS X flavour - systems, unlike some of the less expensive alternatives you may be considering!) Color printing is not inexpensive! Color toner is much more expensive than black toner. Toner usage varies depending upon the printer and the characteristics of what you are printing. However, contrary to a previous response you received, I know of no printer that automatically requires you to replace a toner cartridge based solely on the number of pages printed, regardless of the amount of toner remaining in the cartridge. Thus, in a four-toner color printer, if you only print monochrome output and you physically exhaust the black toner, you will not need to replace the color toners at the same time. What is true about color xerographic printers, though, is that unlike monochrome printers with only one replaceable part, the color printers have parts beyond just the toner. These parts may include fusers, drums, imagers, tranfer rollers, etc. � and these parts are not cheap. On many printers, the lifetime of these parts are �metered� by copy count, not actual wear-and-tear and physical needs of the device. Good luck and let us know what you decide as well as how your decision actually works out! - Dov
Re: Which Color Laser Printer To Buy: True PS vs. PS Emulator?
Author: Miklos_Somogyi
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:03
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:03
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Just one point to add to Dov's post: "..contrary to a previous response you received, I know of no printer that automatically requires you to replace a toner cartridge based solely on the number of pages printed, regardless of the amount of toner remaining in the cartridge." Well, I did not say "solely on the number of pages printed", but solely on the basis a colour cartridge (and fusers, drums, imagers, whatever is included in it) is accessed. If you just make one word per page coloured, the "life count" of all colour cartridges involved in the colouring is decremented. This is due to the fact that the cartridge contains elements that have a life related to "access count", not to the volume of remaining toner. When one element's life is up, the whole cartridge's life is up. Whether it is full of unused toner or not. And I did not say or even imply that one needs to change the colour cartridges when black is exhausted. If you don't believe me, go to HP's website and read the posts of very angry customers who did not know this and now pay the price. Some took the printer back, some threatened with legal action. Besides, I only wanted to warn someone to look beyond the cost of the printer (that can be attractive) and consider that the operating costs can widely differ. Especially if his needs are predominantly b&w. On the remaining 90% of the issues I agree with Dov 100% :-) Miklos
Re: Which Color Laser Printer To Buy: True PS vs. PS Emulator?
Author: Miklos_Somogyi
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:05
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:05
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Sorry, before I stand corrected again, I make it clear that I don't have a thing against one-pass lasers per se. Just that that they are not for everyone, and just that that this fact is not made abundantly clear in their beaut brochures. If I could justify the running costs, I would go and buy one. I just hope that we did not confuse Mialb further... Miklos
Re: Which Color Laser Printer To Buy: True PS vs. PS Emulator?
Author: Gernot_Hoffmann
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:15
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:15
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QMS Magicolor 6100 indicates empty or "empty" cartridges as individuals. The software of the new series 7100 seems to be much better than the 6100 version. QMS-Konica-Minolta might be a choice now. Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
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