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8 total messages Started by BILL_HUNT Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:34
Re-editing A 6.5 Mac Project in Other Versions of Premiere?
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Author: BILL_HUNT
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:34
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This is an abstract from an on-going thread in the Adobe Premiere Elements forum. I�m posting it here to try and get some information and direction on re-editing this Project. As I know nothing of Premiere 6.5 (Mac), I�m hoping that someone here can educate me a bit. I�m on Premiere Pro CS2 (Production Studio), but never used any flavor of Premiere 6.5, Mac, or PC. Also, while I do a lot of graphic design work in Adobe programs, and have been going between my PC�s and my client�s Mac�s for decades, I have no idea of how many platform differences and incompatibilities there might exist between Premiere 6.5 on the two platforms.

The original poster (OP) does not know photography, or video-production, so they are caught in the middle. I have tried to help, but can only address the Project from the standpoint of PP-CS2 on the PC.

The Project: This is a �family album slide show,� containing approximately 1400 still images. These are mostly scanned photographs, that were color/density corrected, edited with a �frame,� and inserted into Premiere 6.5 (Mac) as TIFF images. There are captions with the photographs. A music soundtrack was generated and the editing of the �slide show� was done to this music. AV files (unknown format - .MOV?) were Exported from Premiere 6.5 (Mac), which were brought into a DVD authoring program, and a set of three (3) DVD�s were produced. Obviously, the 3 DVD set has the Video_TS (and Audio_TS probably) folders with the VOB, etc. files, but these are MPEG-2 compressed for DVD-NTSC at an unknown bit-rate.

What is Needed: Now, the end client wishes to make edits to the Project. Some photographs will need to be deleted entirely, a few new ones added and different music placed into the sound track, in lieu of some of the existing music.

What is Missing: The edited photographs, with captions, corrections and the �frames,� were not saved as PSD, but only as flattened TIFFs. The original scans were saved as PSD�s, but without any of the corrections, captions of �frames.� The Exported AV files were not saved. The Premiere 6.5 (Mac) Project file was saved, but remember, this is Premiere 6.5 (Mac). The copy of Premiere 6.5 (Mac) is not available, and a replacement for it cannot be found - heck, this is 4 -5 versions ago and also for Mac, not PC. It �appears,� that the original Premiere 6.5 (Mac) Project file is intact. (Do not know what its suffix would be from back then. Now, it would be a .prproj file, or a .prel file if in PE. Also do not know the folder hierarchy, that was used, and if that could even be reconstructed from the existing files, if all of the Assets are even available, as they were Imported into the Project.)

What is Wanted: A re-edited (changes/corrections noted above) version of the 3 DVD set, with the best possible quality, and a minimum loss, for play on an NTSC TV via set-top player.

Discussions have transpired on the quality loss from ripping, or recording to miniDV tape, and re-editing, as the DVD material has already undergone compression to MPEG-2. We�ve also talked about the loss of the �flow of the slide show,� as it was edited to music, some of which will be replaced, plus some images will be deleted and, in a few cases, others will be added.

Can anybody share ideas, especially regarding the use of a Premiere 6.5 (Mac) Project file? I do not even know what the file extension would likely be (know that these are not listed on Mac, but if there were a PC, what type of file would it be?) With the Export from P6.5, were the files likely to be anything except for .MOV? These files were Imported into a Mac DVD-authoring program for output to DVD-NTSC. Has anybody ever Imported a Mac Project file into any PC version of Premiere, or Premiere Pro? If so, what worked, and what did not?

I�m looking for an education, specific to this version of Premiere, especially as it might apply to PP-CS2, or similar, so any additional thoughts, or comments would be greatly a
Re: Re-editing A 6.5 Mac Project in Other Versions of Premiere?
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Author: BILL_HUNT
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:41
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Here is the link to the Windows side of this post:
 <http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b61739>

Thank you,

Hunt
Re: Re-editing A 6.5 Mac Project in Other Versions of Premiere?
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Author: Dag_Norum
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:50
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Hello Bill,

I'm probably one of the very few that still keep a copy of the 6.5 on my computer. I do that because it is the first version that really worked and "got it all", and it's still the fastest version to do easy tasks and tests in. 6.5 still rocks, and on XP it's darn stable! (should almost think that for 6.5 Adobe was forward compatible)

For 6.5 on Windows it was .ppj for the project files. I have heard that on a MAC, file extensions may not be needed (at least before), so if you find a project file that you will try to open with PPro put the extension .ppj to it.

Now, I have no idea if a project file made on a MAC will even open in Windows. So, if not and you'll have to deal with re-editing the DVD's, please consider this:

- Use FlaskMpeg to convert the .VOB to .avi using Huffyuv (maybe Lagarith (sp?)). You'll get huge files, but at least you keep the quality of the DVD.

- Where you need to replace or delete a picture, export a frame (from the Huffyuv file) of the pictures before and after the new picture (or deleted) in order to have new footage for the new transitions, in order to not disturb the timing or duration. Do you get what I'm thinking about?

Dag
Re: Re-editing A 6.5 Mac Project in Other Versions of Premiere?
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Author: BILL_HUNT
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:21
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Dag,

Thank you. That is exactly what I wanted to hear. I have seen an Adobe paper, that stated that Pro "could" Import either a Mac, or PC P6.5 Project. That was encouraging to me, but it was a paper, and not real world experience. We all know that marketing departments sometimes do not get things 100%. Still, with your info and THAT, I am feeling much better about this Project.

I appreciate the tip on FlaskMpeg. I have both HuffYuv and Lagarith CODECs, and use them for intermediate transfer files on occasion. File size is not an issue for me, but worth noting for others, who might read this later. The prospect of, and tips on, editing in FlaskMpeg are very useful. That re-compression aspect was making me worry a lot. I'll add FlaskMpeg to the toolkit - thanks.

I appreciate your comments, as always, and will probably be back with many more questions, should this Project come about. I'm in the preliminary stages now, so I'm just fact gathering, and do not wish to paint my self into any corners by making some bad choices, early on.

Thanks, as always,

Hunt
Re: Re-editing A 6.5 Mac Project in Other Versions of Premiere?
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Author: Dag_Norum
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:56
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Hi again Bill,

When (or if) you get into FlaskMpeg, play around a bit so you get to now where the settings are done, there are two main places for such.

Oh, please give me a "warning" in the lounge if you have more questions. As you said, this place is a bit "deserted". I'm sure the moderators (at least I hope so) will let it go, at least for a while.

I don't think you are getting to "paint yourself into a corner", you're way to humble (meaning willing to learn new stuff) for that.

Dag
Re: Re-editing A 6.5 Mac Project in Other Versions of Premiere?
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Author: BILL_HUNT
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:51
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Dag,

Comments in the Lounge - again thanks!

Hunt
Re: Re-editing A 6.5 Mac Project in Other Versions of Premiere?
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Author: olf
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:02
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Hi Bill,
a Premiere 6.5 Mac project can be opened and edited in Premiere 6.5 Windows and vice versa.

I don't know if this works with later Premiere versions, but downward compatibility was always possible in the past.
Sometimes it worked with problematic project files using "HexEdit" to change a resource in the project file named "version". You'll find it easily.

On the Mac, you can use the freeware "MPEG Streamclip" (Windows version available) to do lossless conversions from (unprotected) VOB files to editable formats. You must have Apple's "MPEG2 playback component" installed to do this.
Re: Re-editing A 6.5 Mac Project in Other Versions of Premiere?
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Author: BILL_HUNT
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:44
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Olf,

Thank you for your confirmation. In the meantime, I have explored the client's Assets and have found many of the PPJ files from the edit. Because these were on the Mac, they had no file extension. By just adding that, I have been able to open all, that I've tried, in CS2. This confirms exactly what you mention. I'm not sure what might have been lost (Transitions, maybe?), but even the Motion Keyframing came into CS2 PP.

I think that if all PPJ's are there, with a bit of "housekeeping" with regards to the folder structure for the original Assets, the Project should be editable on a PC with PP2, though it was created on Mac in P6.5.

I appreciate your response, and want to confirm that you are 100% correct. Also, should someone have the same questions later on, the answer is YES, you can edit Mac P6.5 on PC, at least through CS2, and probably CS3.

Thanks,

Hunt
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