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What is Adobe Pro?

InDesign will natively open XPress version 4.x and 3.x files. For 5-8 
you'll need a $200 plugin from Markzware called Q2ID.

If you already have QuarkXPress, this is a no brainer especially if 
you're just working on one file.

Bob

Sorry, that should be Adobe Acrobat 8 Pro
Kent

If all you have is a PDF then what you have something that was never 
intended to be edited.

You'll never get the results you want. What's wrong with actually paying 
the people that created these files to change them?

Bob

Bob,
While I understand why you asked the question, in this economic situation, the answer is fairly obvious...$$$$$

Plus, by my learning how to do it, I have added another skill.
Kent

If you had the original file I'd tell you InDesign or QXP would be the 
way to go, but with a PDF you're wasting your time with all but very 
minor edits.

Bob

Kent,

What Bob said...go back to the creator application.

Also note, that as Adobe (the company) develops many dozens of applications and workflows, and thousands of fonts, it is important to distinguish them by name, platform and version. Unlike Quark, it is hardly a one-trick pony.

Neil

Kent,

What Bob said...go back to the creator application.

Also note, that as Adobe (the company) develops many dozens of applications and workflows, and thousands of fonts, it is important to distinguish them by name, platform and version (as appropriate). Unlike Quark, it is hardly a one-trick pony.

Neil

So, you've got the dough for XPress, but can't afford to send the several brochures back to the originator? O.K. So, you buy XPress. Unless you're already familiar with QuarkXPress, you'll need a little time to learn it. Like Neil says in his post, you'll need the fonts and all of the original images ( not likely if you've only got PDFs ).

Sounds like alot less hassle to send the files back or dial them up for the revisions. Not quite sure what the problem with that would be.

And the agency correctly only released PDFs as final art. A little lesson in intellectual law: the live files, also known as production files, are the legal property of the ad agency. The only thing that belongs to the client (your company?) is final art for press which these days is usually a PDF. Usually you have to buy out the rights for the production files if your company didn't stipulate at contract that the production files belong to your company.

Richard, 

      And the agency correctly only released PDFs as final art




Actually, you're right (unless there was a prior agreement). And that should have been pointed out earlier.

Back in the days of paste-up mechanicals, it was much the same. The typographer delivered Relyon proofs and kept the composed type; printer returned the boards to the agency or studio but kept the separations and plates; and the client only got the finished product, any original supplied materials, and the bill(s).

Neil

I agree with Bob post #3, send the files back to the original artist, that's how we make $$$$. and it's only fair. BUT, if you really need to edit a PDF, I've found Adobe Illustrator does a pretty good job of it. You'll still need the fonts unless the designers outlined them...

stan, 

      BUT, if you really need to edit a PDF, I've found Adobe Illustrator does
      a pretty good job of it.




Unless you have a contractual agreement with the vendor that prohibits it.

Neil

yes, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it???

Stan,

Nothing wrong with mentioning the technique. Whether it can be ethically or legally used in this instance is up to the OP to find out.

Neil

Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com wrote:
> Stan,
>
> Nothing wrong with mentioning the technique. Whether it can be ethically or legally used in this instance is up to the OP to find out.
>
> Neil
>   

Oh well in that case you can outline the text yourself even if you don't 
have the fonts. well maybe I shouldn't say more.
Jay

Jay,

How? I mean, if you wish to outline the fonts (in Illustrator), you still need the right fonts to do that. Otherwise you'll be outlining a default font on your system, and it won't look right.

Neil

Jay,

Interesting...I'll have to try that.

Neil

hmmm, yeah thanks jay, Illy has a lot of weird work arounds like that, I'm pleased to hear InDesign gets to play as well.

      (I think you could do it in Illustrator). Illy has a lot of weird work
      arounds like that,




Jay, Stan,

Can it be done in Illustrator, and if so, from which version on?

In ID2, the flattener presets are low/medium/high resolution.

In Indesign (I think you could do it in Illustrator). Place the pdf, set 
transparency to 99.9% output to pdf using a transparency flattener 
preset that has "convert all text to outlines" checked and the raster 
vector balance all the way to vectors.

This is not the greatest thing to do technically either, but if you are 
desperate to make a few small changes and want to hastle with moving 
outlined text around, and�
Jay

It works in illustrator cs3

As far as earlier versions of ID and Ill. I would thinks so as long as 
they have the flattener presets. I just don't remember that little detail.
Jay

Jacob_Bugge@adobeforums.com wrote:
> In ID2, the flattener presets are low/medium/high resolution.
>   
That's the default in CS3 too. Can you create new ones?
Jay

Jay,

I can create one including forced outlining of text and setting the raster/vector balance to 100% vector, but I cannot open the Indesign file in Illustrator 10 (the InDD file does not appear in the All formats list), only place it, and whatever I do, the type is being reinterpreted in Illustrator, as though the flattening has no effect.

Jay,

As a note, I've been deleting your autoquotes, as they are unnecessary to the flow of the thread.

Neil

Sorry, I normally edit them to just the pertinate info, I just missed 
that one.
Jay

Thanks, Jay.

Neil

Thank you very much, Jay. I have got it working now. The PDF bloats to twice the size, but still not too bad.

In this context there is no legal issue: it is a matter of filling in parts of a form and sending it on as PDF by email for printing out, finalization, and snailmailing. The other option would be to scan the form and get a large ugly raster image.

Jacob_Bugge@adobeforums.com wrote:
> Jay,
>
> I can create one including forced outlining of text and setting the raster/vector balance to 100% vector, but I cannot open the Indesign file in Illustrator 10 (the InDD file does not appear in the All formats list), only place it, and whatever I do, the type is being reinterpreted in Illustrator, as though the flattening has no effect.
>   
This is a kludge work around for converting text to outlines in pdfs 
when you don't have the fonts installed on your system.
You can accomplish this task in either Illustrator or Indesign.

Again the process is

1 place the pdf file in either program
2 set the transparency of the pdf to 99.9%
3 export to pdf using the afore mentioned transparency flattener settings

And again this is not really reccomeded to use as it changes the pdf. 
Editing of the text might be possible as long as you can copy specific 
characters, but it's a real pain to play with outlined text. Not to 
mention the possible legal aspects.