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Article #12513Re: Hyphens, Ens or Ems?
From: Olivier Randier
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 21:31
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 21:31
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In article (Dans l'article) <ef8a431.21@WebX.aaQKaf7vad4>, "Thomas Phinney" <tphinney@adobe.com> wrote (�crivait)�: >I like Esmond's option #3 for setting the em dash, using thin spaces. > >Personally, when designing fonts, I usually create my em dashes with space on either side, and in any case I kern all my dashes extensively against everything else, especially numbers. > >The space within the em-dash glyph is not common Adobe practice, however, since some people want to be able to put multiple em-dashes together to make a solid rule. Adobe is right on that subject, but not only for that reason. If you kern the dashes, adding space around it is useless. As a french typographer, I'm often annoyed with such sidebearings. In french typography, we always use dashes with spaces around, so if there are already built-in sidebearings to them, we obtain spaces greater than the rest of the line. :( I noticed the problem first with colon: our tradition is to put a space before it. We consider that the relation between phrase elements before and after it (a�:�b) is somehow identical to the equal relation (a�=�b). So the space is supposed to be identical before and after. But, with fonts designed in USA (even those of Adobe), with a greater left sidebearings, we obtain a space before greater than the space after (a��:�b), which is ugly and absurd. You could avoid problems in foreign countries by kerning those signs instead of adding useless sidebearings to them. I know it makes more work for you, but please try not to forgot there is a world around you. -- Olivier RANDIER -- Experluette mailto:orandier@fr.inter.net
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 1042b6,84eecf0b295b91d3 X-Google-Attributes: gid1042b6,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-01 14:09:53 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-04!supernews.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!213.73.101.75.MISMATCH!eusc.inter.net!news.eusc.inter.net!orandier From: orandier@planete.net (Olivier Randier) Newsgroups: adobe.typography Subject: Re: Hyphens, Ens or Ems? Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 23:31:52 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Inter.net Germany GmbH Lines: 31 Message-ID: <orandier-ya02408000R0106022331520001@news.fr.inter.net> References: <ef8a431.-1@WebX.aaQKaf7vad4> <ef8a431.21@WebX.aaQKaf7vad4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.eusc.inter.net 1022965791 29861 62.23.241.115 (1 Jun 2002 21:09:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eusc.inter.net X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher F2.4.0