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Article #598Re: Proper Names - Definition
From: Dominic_Hurley
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:27
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:27
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Well, don't you think that is being rather pedantic?
No, especially when the whole discussion is essentially about pedantry.
I mean, when is it appropriate to add the word 'most'? Is that a clear
concept?
To me, it's absolutely clear that when someone says "I hate jazz" or "I hate the use of lowercase for caps", they're not saying "I hate most jazz/lowercase" or even "I hate 99 per cent of jazz/lowercase". They are simply saying "I hate jazz/lowercase". If they don't mean they hate all jazz/lowercase, then it is appropriate to add "most" to that statement.
Remember, 'iPod' was brought up after that quotation of mine about not
seeing a proper name if it did not have an initial capital and I stand
by my explanation of accepting 'iPod'.
What difference does it make that it was brought up after you made that statement? Either you stand by that original statement or you don't, and the fact that you stand by your acceptance of "iPod" means that you don't stand by it. Just another example of your inconsistency.
The capital 'P' is close enough to the start of the word I think to make
it look like a proper name. I think that shows artistic adaptability within
my rules, not inconsistency.
You see, I don't have any problem with you making up "your rules" as you go along or accepting "iPod" while decrying "london". The point is that you are arguing for "your rules", not the rules of standard English capitalisation. As long as you don't claim any greater authority than yourself for your preferences, I have no argument with you. It's when you argue against "london" on the basis of the norms of capitalisation that I take issue, because you're obviously happy to ditch them when you do like the result.
The main question here is 'How can a proper name have just lower case
letters (no capitals whatsoever), even for art's sake?'. No capitals means
no proper name does it not?
By the rules of standard English capitalisation, a proper noun should have an initial capital (which rules out "iPod"). But the lack of an initial capital may not, in and of itself, leave the reader unable to understand that the reference is to a proper noun. Just as I'm able to recognise that you meant "farce" when you wrote "farse", most viewers of the Olympics logo would have no trouble reading "london" as a reference to the city. Think of it as a logogram, if you want. (Or do you take issue with logograms too?)
surely you must have boundaries yourself (other than the non artistic
ones you mention) otherwise art just becomes a farse.
The boundary I mentioned (not hurting unwilling participants) was in relation to art. But I have no wish to discuss art.
If I've missed something you feel I should answer let me know.
As I've already asked this twice and you haven't answered, I doubt you'll answer it this time, but where have I deliberately used incorrect grammar? Either show me or retract your statement.
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