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Started by tim_monroe
Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:26
Frutiger fractions
Author: tim_monroe
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:26
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:26
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Just started planning a conversion of an industrial products catalog from Quark to InDesign. I'm waiting for Markzware Q2ID to convert the Quark document. I used Century Old Style 10/12 for text, Frutiger Black 14 for heads, and Frutiger 9/11 for product info and pricing. I liked these typefaces, even though I horizontally scaled the Century text to 105%, and compressed the Frutiger heads to 95%. Biggest concern now is how all the fractions in both typefaces will convert into InDesign. Does InDesign offer any faster ways to build fractions, or is it easier to look for new typefaces that include numerators and denomiators for diagonal fractions? Thank you, Tim
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: Bob Levine
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:36
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:36
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I'd look for opentype faces that include fractions. Check the Adobe store and check out the type section there. Fractions with opentype and InDesign are a piece of cake. Bob
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: Thomas_Phinney
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:33
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:33
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Also, what specific fractions do you need? Or do you need completely arbitrary fractions like 5/7? T
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: tim_monroe
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:29
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:29
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Thomas, With industrial tools, fractions will be use in 14 point heads, 10 point descriptive text, and in 9 points cells of item info and pricing. Completely arbitrary is how I built them in Quark by bolding the numerals first, then converting to fractions. Is open type all that's available with fractions and spread sheet figures. I kinda like a classic old style face like Caslon, Bembo, or Janson. I've got plenty of line length available. Also like Frutiger, and might only need to learn the fewest strokes to make a list of fractions. Tim
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:40
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 00:40
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tim, What Thomas is asking is do you need standard fractions (1/2, 1/4, 3/4) or arbitrary (13/56, 1/5, 329/1006, etc.). Font size and weight are immaterial. Virtually all of Adobe's font library is converted to OpenType. You can check out your favorites at the Adobe online store. Neil
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: Bob Levine
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:18
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:18
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But not all opentype fonts can create arbitrary fraction. The ones that do have that feature are noted with an appropriate icon. Check out the glyph coverage section here: http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/P/P_1717.html Bob
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:27
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 03:27
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Exactly why I suggested checking out the specific fonts that are required. Neil <g>
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: tim_monroe
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:56
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:56
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Thanks Robert and Thomas, I'll check Adobe library to see which of my favorite faces show a fractions icon in glyph coverage. But I still don't understand why open type offers an advantage. Seems I've got to highlight numerator-virgule-denomimator and select fraction whether I use open type or not. Unless you like the inclued sizes better than your own. Tim
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: Thomas_Phinney
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:45
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 23:45
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Unless you were using QXP 7 and OpenType fonts, or you were on Windows and strictly using the three basic fractions, you've been using "fake" fractions all this time. They're created by scaling down full size numbers and shifting them. "Real" fractions are made by actually designing numbers for use at fraction size. They are sturdier and a closer weight match to the rest of the font than just scaling down the full-size numbers. This is partly an aesthetic issue, but it's also a legibility issue as well. Cheers, T
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:31
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:31
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tim, In addition to Thomas' comments, OpenType, in particular, the "Pro" versions, offer extended glyph sets that may also include truecut small caps, old style figures, ligatures, and considerable foreign language support. OpenType fonts are also directly cross-platform without additional purchase required. Neil
Re: Frutiger fractions
Author: tim_monroe
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:32
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:32
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Seems like it's back to original question I posted in the wrong forum. I liked using Century Old Style and Frutiger but wanted to replace with similar faces with spread sheet numerals and less work building fractions. Since I need to think about new fonts for the page, should I consider what typography might be used on web page on which printed pdfs will display? Minion and Myriad look similar to Century Old Style and Frutiger. I think I'll work with them. Tim
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