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I think you may have forgotten to include a link.

But see the discussion about  Davida in the thread started May 2 with 
the subject line "Please help with this font"

Here's a link to the first post:

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc3cf8b/0

  - Herb

Sorry, this is the first time I've tried posting an image link and I only linked to it in the subject, forgetting that some folks might not see it if they don't use a browser. I think the following will work.

 <http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1HFaVpUYloYI3W9NpbfKIThvRVW4>

Looks like Beaumarchais, graphically condensed and/or a faux-bold applied.

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/scriptorium/beaumarchais/beaumarchais/

Herb,

I don't think it's Beaumarchais only because the letterforms are so poorly executed compared with Peter's sample. There are also too many small structural differences. Not that his font is going to win prizes. Still, both fonts have a common ancester.

Neil

Neil -
     As usual, you're right.  I just tried to create the text as 
posted by applying a faux bold (using, excuse the expression, MS Word) 
to some of the characters, modifying the letterspacing, and then 
condensing the result, but there were still significant differences, 
particularly in the shape of the top of the T, which is very concave 
in the posted example and flat in Beaumarchais, and the clarity of the 
serifs - good in the example, poor in Beaumarchais.
  - Herb

Herb,

The font does look familiar to me -- like something out of the old Photolettering, Inc. book -- something that was used in the 1960s, and not much since.

Neil

Gentlemen,

Thanks for your continued participation. The sample was scanned from a fairly recent business card (and he uses the same logo in a flash header on the web) so I'm fairly sure this has got to be something relatively recent (at least in this incarnation).

My sample is no doubt suffering a bit from dot gain and general spread from cheap printing on crud stock, which would be having an effect on the serifs and hairlines. I don't own Beaumarchais, and don't want to buy it if it isn't the right face, so all I have to compare is the screen samples, but it seems crisper than mine, especially in the T, M, and N, and the R doesn't appear to dip below the baseline.

Inexact as it might be, I only need to use it in the logo, I think, so it's still looking like the best bet so far for tweaking in Illustrator. Ugh.

Peter

Peter wrote:

... I only need to use it in the logo ...

If that's all you need it for, you could make a vector image that you 
could then tweak. It might take some cleaning up of the raster image, 
then Illustrator's auto-trace, or a manual trace, or the older 
Streamline. My own favorite auto-trace programs are part of Fontlab's 
"Scanfont" and the shareware FontCreator.

   - Herb

Peter,

Have you asked the experts over at Typophile.com? They're pretty good...and fast.

Neil

Herb,

I've already done a quick and dirty tracing in Illy, but was hoping for something better without having to spend hours.

Neil,

No, I didn't post there. I figured you guys would solve it in a flash. :)

I'll try that now.

Peter,

They know a lot, even though they've already forgotten some stuff I've never learned in the first place! <g>

Neil

They came up with two more names, Columbus (not the Monotype TM version) and Deneane, both of which look pretty much the same as Beaumarchais. Deneane is $2, so worth playing with.

Peter

Thank you for following up back here and letting us know the outcome! 
I looked in the Solotype catalog and skipped right over Columbus.

   - herb

      I looked in the Solotype catalog and skipped right over Columbus.




Probably because you knew subconsciously that it wasn't (apparently) available in digital format. :(

I have Fantazia Concept's "FZ JAZZY 50" penciled in the Solotype 
Catalog as a lookalike. Except for my own archives, I wouldn't know 
where to start looking for their fonts.

I found a pirated copy at fontsitescript.com and downloaded to take a look. It's a little more extended than the Deneane, and the R is fancier. It doesn't appear as if there is a legitimate way to buy it anymore.

Peter

I see that the two they have there are the "Extended" and "Italic" 
versions. There's also a regular and a "Lefty" (left-obliqued).

  - Herb

Peter,

I'm taking you at your word that these are "pirated" fonts. In viewing some pages, I cannot tell the provenance of these fonts, and will not download any of them to investigate further. I am removing the link from your post.

Neil

Neil,

That's fine. I don't like using pirated software and don't want to promote it. I'm assuming that it was pirated simply because I was totally unable to find any listing on Google for a vendor selling it, or the CD from which it came, and the sample I downloaded clearly shows a copyright when viewed in Windows font viewer. I've deleted it from my system.

Peter

It's a typeface I know very well: Columbus, circa 1892, by Herman Ihlenburg (not sure about the spelling, and I don't have my reference books handy down here), for American Type Founders. I even did my own digitization of it, long ago.

Prominent use: in the logo for the Call of Cthulhu roleplaying game.

Regards,

T

Thanks, T.

 <http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/forum/viewthread.php?threadid=37483>

"�this typeface was originally called Columbus designed by Herman Ihlenburg for MacKellar, Smiths & Jordan Type Foundry."

Thanks Thomas & Ramon.

After posting here I did a couple of hours of searching on MyFonts and stumbled on Beaumarchais from Scriptorium, and on Neil's advice also posted at Typophile, where it also was identified as Columbus, Beaumarchais or Deneane.

Unable to locate a Columbus that matched I looked at both of the other two, and decided for the moment that neither was exact without manipulation, and the Deneane was only $2, so to play around I opted for the cheap route. Do either of you know if Deneane is really legit, or just a knockoff of the Scriptorium font? The copyright says Font Bank. If it's a knockoff I'll dump it and spend the big bucks if the client signs on.

BTW, Thomas, you didn't say for whom you digitized Columbus. Do you know if it is available?

Peter

Thomas,

I checked my American Specimen Book of Type Styles, American Type Founders Company, 1912 edition, and found no reference to Columbus. Is it possible that ATF dropped the font from their catalog so quickly? Was it known under another name?

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Peter,

Beaumarchais is a very awkward revival of the font. Deneane appears to be more faithful to the original, but I don't know of its provenance. Then again, if the latter is a knockoff of a contemporary, legitimate font, what is it a knockoff of? [rhetorical question]

Neil

Well, I thought Deneane looked better on screen, too. Between price, appearance, and the client having said he thought the font was Diana, I figured it was probably the way to go. :)

So far I haven't heard a word form him in two days, so the whole thing could be moot. My whole week is going this way...

Peter

On May 10, 8:07 am, Peter_Sp...@adobeforums.com wrote:
> Thanks Thomas & Ramon.
>
> After posting here I did a couple of hours of searching on MyFonts and stumbled on Beaumarchais from Scriptorium, and on Neil's advice also posted at Typophile, where it also was identified as Columbus, Beaumarchais or Deneane.
>
> Unable to locate a Columbus that matched I looked at both of the other two, and decided for the moment that neither was exact without manipulation, and the Deneane was only $2, so to play around I opted for the cheap route. Do either of you know if Deneane is really legit, or just a knockoff of the Scriptorium font? The copyright says Font Bank. If it's a knockoff I'll dump it and spend the big bucks if the client signs on.
>
> BTW, Thomas, you didn't say for whom you digitized Columbus. Do you know if it is available?
>
> Peter

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Goldenweb has Columbus (free ttf download):

http://fonts.goldenweb.it/pan_file/l/en/font2/Columbus.ttf/d2/Freeware_fonts/c/c/default.html

Also, Columbus DB (Softmaker Software GmbH, 1996) can be found in some
of the Greenstreet collections.

Bill

In article <3bc3d998.22@webcrossing.la2eafNXanI>,
 Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com wrote:

> I checked my American Specimen Book of Type Styles, American Type Founders 
> Company, 1912 edition, and found no reference to Columbus. Is it possible 
> that ATF dropped the font from their catalog so quickly? Was it known under 
> another name?

FWIW Columbus appears under that name in the 1981 _Catalogue No. 7_ from 
Graphic Products Corporation, their Formatt product no.5576. They don't 
indicate foundries or copyright holders (except for their "ITC Licensed" 
items) but maybe this reference will provide a clue to help track it 
down.

-- 
Odysseus

> Prominent use: in the logo for the Call of Cthulhu roleplaying game

Are you an HP Lovecraft fan, Thomas?

A bit of a Lovecraft fan, yes. Or at least I was 15 years ago. :)

Columbus was indeed dropped quickly from the ATF catalog. I think the 1912 version does show "American Italic" which is the italic version, for some odd reason.

Columbus had several alternate letters and such, so any simple digital version might not match what you see in a given print sample. For instance, the sample shown has a different "P" than the one I consider the "standard" one.

Cheers,

T

      Columbus, circa 1892, by Herman Ihlenburg




Obviously the font was created in commemoration of the New World discovery quadricentennial. The question begs why just 20 years later it was gone from the catalog. Unless ATF felt it was now dated -- too art nouveau and not "modern" enough. Or maybe sales were just soft.

Still (in its original, undistorted form), not a bad font for the genre.

Neil

OT: Lovecraft was very popular in New Zealand among people I knew some years back. And, judging by the way his books vanished off the shelves of the new Borders down here, he still is. Recently, I saw a book by a scientist based in Antarctica who took a copy of At the Mountains of Madness down with him and he and his mates used to read a bit each night while they were camped out. Probably the best place to read that one.