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How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
#1512
Author: glen_gilbert
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:28
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Greetings!

First off: I am a brand new user of Illustrator (CS2 Premium) ... =8-)
Secondly: I submitted this very same question in the "Illustrator" forum and was nicely asked to try asking in the "Typography" forum. So ... here I am, and here's my concern:
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I've been given a job to create (redo) a website for a business. I've been given the logo which was created for the business. I have that original logo as an illustrator file. It opens nicely.

Now I want to determine the font that was used for this logo using Illustrator.

It's not clear to me how to find out what font it was created in. I highlight the letters, and the slogan. However, there's not an intuitive way to discover the font from this highlighting.

Is this possible at all possible (to determine the font)? Is it easy to do? .. I'd appreciate your help/advice on this. And, no, I don't believe the business has further contact with the original creator of the logo.

"Thank You" in advance...

Glen

P.S., I've perused the Typography forum a bit before posting. I noticed that other people ask this type of question (wanting to identify a font type). I'm curious. I've deduced that it's a "takes one to know one" kinda thing. Someone who's involved with fonts often/a lot will know fonts. And, thus it seems to me there are two ways: hunt-and-hunting-some-more for fonts (let alone just trying to find fonts on line), or asking someone (like in this forum). Am I close? =8-)
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
#1513
Author: Herb
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:34
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First, I assume that the Illustrator eps or ai file has had its 
lettering converted to vector outlines; otherwise just selecting the 
text for editing would reveal the font name.

Many logos are either created with unique lettering or use an existing 
font, graphically enhanced, distorted, or otherwise modified.

There are a couple of tools that are sometimes useful -

http://www.whatthefont.com
and
http://www.identifont.com

WhatTheFont takes an image (limited to 200K pixels and disconnected 
letters in a straight line) and analyzes it. If the font (or 
equivalent) is sold by MyFonts, it can often identify it correctly. 
Otherwise, its result can be unpredictable.

Identifont asks a series of questions, which you can limit to the 
characters you actually have. Again, sometimes it hits the nail on the 
head and sometimes not.

There are also forums, including this one, where there are 
knowledgeable people who can help you identify a font if you provide a 
link to an image.

Others include typophile.com and usenet newsgroups comp.fonts and 
alt.binaries.fonts (in the binaries group you can post an image directly).

  - Herb
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
#1514
Author: glen_gilbert
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:49
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Thank you, Herb!

With your reply I had some brainstorms ...

1) I've uploaded the ai file to the server so it can be viewed and possibly someone may be able to identify it from the raw file. It can be seen here: <http://www.CustomCutBuilders.com/CCB_Logo/CustomCutBuilders_AluminumSign.ai>

2) I did see an 'eps' file and opened that one on my computer. Thing is, there was a "font error" with the following messages:

Univers-BoldExt - Default font substituted for missing font
Univers-Oblique - Default font substituted for missing font

I suspect the "missing font" part means that the font used for the logo is not on my computer. And, with the substitution, I'm assuming that the operative word, substitution, does no good for me in finding out the original font. (It's been substituted!) =8-)

3) If I can determine what the EPS file substituted, I can use that one for the new pages on the site. It may be just close enough that the common person (not you typography-philes) would not notice. (does this sound like a passable idea?!)

thanks again, Herb.

Glen
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
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Author: Herb
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 01:57
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Your link isn't working, but if you're talking about the CCB logo that 
appears on the home page, then the font for "CUSTOM CUT BUILDERS" does 
seem to be Univers Bold Extended.  The CCB itself looks like a 
graphically enhanced and modified version of some weight of Univers - 
possibly an Extra Black Extended artificially extended even a bit more.

The missing font message lists the fonts that are missing, not the 
ones that are used. In this case Univers Oblique and Univers Bold 
Extended are the missing fonts.

  - Herb
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:28
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Glen,

One rule of thumb about logos...

While Illustrator is generally the preferred tool for creating logos, fonts used should be converted to outlines so that they are not missing in action when the logo is transmitted to other. The integrity of the logo kept intact.

Neil
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
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Author: glen_gilbert
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:53
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Herb, I'm very appreciative of your comments, observations and feedback (e.g., the link not working)...

(a) I fixed the link. (I 'inserted' a space between 'dot-ai' and 'AluminumSign' and it works now) ... don't know if this is of any use now since you've seemed to answer my question about the font.

 <http://www.customcutbuilders.com/CCB_Logo/CustomCutBuilders_AluminumSign> .ai

(b) I note your identification of the font (which, you are correct, is what is on the home page of CustomCutBuilders.com) - I'm not sure at this point how to obtain that 'missing' font ("In this case Univers Oblique and Univers Bold Extended are the missing fonts.") I'm not sure what it, the font, was replaced with, so I still need to find something that will work for the reworking of their website... I admit I am showing my novice level here. ... I will do a search on the Internet for this missing font. Obviously, it's not on my system.

(c) Finally, there are at least two ways that I understand how one goes about identifying fonts:
[1] Submit it to a website which does this identifying (you offered a site or two)
[2] Submit a request for identification on a forum such as "typography" here (with a working link to the file) ;-)
[3] Learn this stuff myself with working in it

Anyway, I'm very grateful for your (and Neil's) help. ...

I know I'll have more questions. I'm comfortable dropping in here to ask them. (I've experienced no sniping and that's a relief!!)

Cheers!
Glen
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
#1574
Author: mister_eaves
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:25
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Glen --

You'll need to purchase the font(s) you need from a reputable vendor. If you're able to find the fonts online, it's likely that they're pirated. Fonts -- like music, computer software, and movies -- are considered intellectual property and must be obtained through proper channels. (Read: you need to buy them, not steal them.)

Adobe sells the versions I believe you're looking for:

Univers Oblique <http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/F/UNIA/F_UNIA-10055100.html>

Univers Bold Extended <http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/F/UNIA/F_UNIA-10063000.html>
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 04:31
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Glen,

As mister_eves says. Glad we can help. Reputable sources for Adobe fonts include the Adobe.com store, myfonts.com and other major vendors. And we can guide you to a number of good foundries for other fonts you might want.

We do our best to keep these creative communities welcoming to all. Don't be a stranger!

Neil
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
#1584
Author: glen_gilbert
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:57
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Thank you ALL for your help. It's been informative, the links and hints you've offered. You're a gracious group and I'm certainly feeling quite 'warm and fuzzy' about dropping in and asking for help! [Hey Look! I even stopped back by to say "Thank You!"] =8-)

Cheers!

Glen

BTW, how can I return to this particular forum topic (to reference the info on it) again at a later time? Is there a search thingy or something in my 'account' area that I can click on to return here in .... say a month or two or ???

thanks again!
Re: How can I determine the Font of someone's Logo
#1585
Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:47
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You can bookmark the page if you want to be notified of new posts. Look beneath your post. Or you can simply bookmark the page in your browser as you would with any other Web page.

Neil
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