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26 total messages Started by thiyagus5 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:08
Font Management in Publishing...
#27
Author: thiyagus5
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:08
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Hi everyone,

Above the subject line is our project title. I am much interested to do the project for this title. The project is going to cover by five units. I have knowledge about fonts and its types, font caches, font hierarchies for both MAC and Windows platforms. I am doing my Printing Technology Engineering as part time. As well working in e-publishing concern as a Lead Technical in R&D Team. For this project we have three reviews. First review got finished. In this review we just give an introduction about the fonts. Remaining two reviews is there. Our motive is to find font related problems in all applications and solutions for it. I need suggestion from you guys that what are all the topics need to be covered in this project and how the project should be.

I need your effective support for this.

Thanks in advance
Thiyagu
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:41
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Thiyagu, 

      Our motive is to find font related problems in all applications and solutions
      for it.




I read your post twice, and I'm not quite sure what you're looking for, how that information will be applied or who your audience is.

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: jkidwell
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:05
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Hi Thiyagu,

Like Neil, I'm not exactly certain what you're looking for here. If
you're talking about the potential font problems faced in a publishing
workflow, there are many software products that can help with the font
management part of the picture - both on a single-user level and
client/server.

We also publish a guide that covers the best practices for font
management on the Mac. You can download a copy from our website:
http://www.extensis.com/fmbpg

Regards,

Jim Kidwell
Extensis
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#32
Author: Thomas_Phinney
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:55
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I'm equally confused....
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#33
Author: thiyagus5
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:46
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Hi Neil,

Thanks for your kind support and help.

Our goal is to achieving good font management in our publishing industry. Font Management in the sense organize, activate & deactivate the fonts in efficient way without duplicates & corruption. WYSIWYG, simply how the screen fonts get viewed and how fonts can be printed as Postscript outlines without problems. If corruption or some problem occurs then how we can find out causes and remedies for it. Also we have to talk about fonts within the specific applications (Quark, 3b2, TeX, & Adobe applications etc...) as you said above. Finally choosing the correct fonts for various devices to achieve the good result. Then only we can achieve the good font management.

I think now its clear for you. If it isn't clear, please suggest me how to formulate these things.

Also suggest me Font Management in Publishing... for this header what are all things we should cover and how make this project very effective.

Regards
Thiyagu
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#34
Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:42
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Thiyagu, 

      Font Management in the sense organize, activate & deactivate the fonts
      in efficient way without duplicates & corruption.




Just install and use a good font manager, such as FontAgent Pro (if you're on a Mac) or Suitcase. Create sets of fonts for your various needs and activate/deactivate those sets or individual fonts as needed. A good font manager can also find duplicate and corrupted fonts. 

      If corruption or some problem occurs then how we can find out causes and
      remedies for it.




If fonts become corrupted, you simply replace them with fresh copies. In a properly set up system using well-engineered fonts from reputable foundries, you should rarely have fonts that don't perform properly. 

      Also suggest me Font Management in Publishing...




If you mean which fonts can be accessed across a network (assuming your font licenses allow for multiple workstation installation), you can install fonts centrally and use a server version of font management software. 

      WYSIWYG, simply how the screen fonts get viewed and how fonts can be printed
      as Postscript outlines without problems.




Not sure what you're asking for here. Be aware that font technology has been migrating strongly over to OpenType. For example, Adobe has not produced PostScript (Type 1) fonts for about ten years. Why is PostScript (Type 1) so important here? Also, you don't address TrueType fonts.

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:44
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Thiyagu, 

      Font Management in the sense organize, activate & deactivate the fonts
      in efficient way without duplicates & corruption.




Just install and use a good font manager, such as FontAgent Pro (if you're on a Mac) or Suitcase. Create sets of fonts for your various needs and activate/deactivate those sets or individual fonts as needed. A good font manager can also find duplicate and corrupted fonts. 

      If corruption or some problem occurs then how we can find out causes and
      remedies for it.




If fonts become corrupted, you simply replace them with fresh copies. In a properly set up system using well-engineered fonts from reputable foundries, you should rarely have fonts that don't perform properly. 

      Also suggest me Font Management in Publishing...




If you mean which fonts can be accessed across a network (assuming your font licenses allow for multiple workstation installation), you can install fonts centrally and use a server version of font management software. 

      WYSIWYG, simply how the screen fonts get viewed and how fonts can be printed
      as Postscript outlines without problems.




Not sure what you're asking for here. Be aware that font technology has been migrating strongly over to OpenType. For example, Adobe has not produced PostScript (Type 1) fonts for about ten years. Why is PostScript (Type 1) so important here? Also, you don't address TrueType fonts.

Again, who is your audience? Are you writing a book, teaching a class, or merely giving brief instruction on how to use fonts to coworkers? Or?

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: TaliesinSoft
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:44
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:42:04 -0500, Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com wrote (in 
article <59b83026.3@webcrossing.la2eafNXanI>): 

> Just install and use a good font manager, such as FontAgent Pro (if you're 
> on a Mac) or Suitcase. Create sets of fonts for your various needs and 
> activate/deactivate those sets or individual fonts as needed. A good font 
> manager can also find duplicate and corrupted fonts. 

Doesn't Apple's own Font Book, included with the Mac OS, do just that, 
obviating the need to spend for yet another font manager?


-- 
James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@me.com
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#37
Author: thiyagus5
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:34
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Hi Neil,

Thank you so much. My audience are compositors. Our project is basically a study of one thing or implementing a new thing etc... I am not writing a book, its just like study and implementing, so i going to create a complete documentation for font management. Its completely based on our e-publishing industry. Now its clear for you neil.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Thiyagu
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#38
Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:51
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Thiyagu,

I'm sorry, but I'm still not sure what you are trying to show to your compositor audience. Perhaps you should take a look at these resources and let me know what else you wish for provide to your audience:

Robert Bringhurst's benchmark book "The Elements of Typographic Style"
 <http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Typographic-Style-Robert-Bringhurst/dp/0881792063>

Insider Software's FontAgent Pro (Mac/Windows), or FontAgent Pro Server 3 (Mac)
 <http://www.insidersoftware.com>
 <http://www.insidersoftware.com/FA_pro_server.php>

Thomas Phinney's "TrueType, PostScript Type 1, & Opentype: What's the Difference?" <http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/TT%20PS%20OpenType.pdf>

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Thomas_Phinney
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:35
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You say your audience is compositors. What kind of work are they doing, exactly? Are they all internal to a company, or do they take outside jobs? Do they have a limited set of corporate fonts, or do arbitrary fonts come in with jobs?

Cheers,

T
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: thiyagus5
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:34
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Hi Thomas,

I am very happy to share this with you. Thanks for looking into this. They are doing pagination with different applications like Adobe InDesign, QuarkXpress, 3b2, TeX & Microsoft Word etc... in both MAC & Windows platforms. We are using both corporate fonts as well as arbitrary fonts come in with the jobs.

Regards
Thiyagu
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#45
Author: thiyagus5
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:34
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Hi Neil,

I will check the resources which are provided by you and let you know. Thanks Neil.

Thiyagu
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#201
Author: Ram�n_G_Casta�eda
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 04:17
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Not great communications going on here�
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#203
Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:00
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Ram�n,

No argument -- I'm still not sure what the OP is attempting to do for whom, how, where or why.

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:04
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Ram�n,

No argument -- I'm still not sure what the OP is attempting to accomplish for whom, how, where or why.

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#209
Author: Ram�n_G_Casta�eda
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:49
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Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:42
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Ram�n, 

      I'm sure there's a language barrier here.




I also assumed that from the original post as the phrasing is a bit odd and not terribly clear. But I just don't know how to get the OP to articulate his or her issue succinctly.

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: thiyagus5
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:36
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Hi Neil,

My actual project title is "Font Management" only. There is no confuse. But i have little bit confused, about what are all the things need to be add for this title. We going to introduced the centralized font management system. i.e. all application systems are going to accessing the fonts from one location. For this we going to develop font searching tools, font and it's conversion tips etc... Now its clear to me. Can you please check it and let me your suggestions. Sorry for late reply. Once again thanks for your help.

Regards
Thiyagu
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#215
Author: Ram�n_G_Casta�eda
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:20
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Well, that's that. :|
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:50
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thiyagus, 

      We going to introduced the centralized font management system. i.e. all
      application systems are going to accessing the fonts from one location.
      For this we going to develop font searching tools, font and it's conversion
      tips etc...




As I said earlier, what you need is to have your fonts installed on your server, and then use a server-level font manager for the rest.

But I don't know what you specifically mean by "conversion tips". You really don't want to convert fonts from one format or platform to the other (there are possibly technical as well as legal issues here). If you use OpenType fonts with a site license or multiple seat license, they can be accessed and used by Macs or Windows computers.

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:56
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thiyagus, 

      We going to introduced the centralized font management system. i.e. all
      application systems are going to accessing the fonts from one location.
      For this we going to develop font searching tools, font and it's conversion
      tips etc...




As I said earlier, what you need is to have your fonts installed on your server, and then use a server-level font manager for organization, search and access to them. But you must have licenses for the fonts that allow them to be installed and used this way.

I don't know what you specifically mean by "conversion tips". You really don't want to convert fonts from one format or platform to the other (there are possibly technical as well as legal issues here). If you use OpenType fonts with a site license or multiple seat license, they can be accessed and used by Macs or Windows computers up to the limit of the license.

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:44
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thiyagus,

Here is another document that may be helpful: Type 1 ("PostScript") to OpenType font conversion <http://www.adobe.com/type/opentype/T1_to_OTF_FAQ.htm>

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Thomas_Phinney
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:38
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Just to clarify: that document Neil links to above is really about what Adobe changed in upgrading its own fonts to OpenType (a process of many person-years of work, not completely automated). It isn't about how to convert your own fonts.

Cheers,

T
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
#225
Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:07
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Thomas,

As English does not appear to be the OP's first language, I should have been more clear about the references to "upgrading" and "conversion". Thanks for popping in.

Neil
Re: Font Management in Publishing...
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Author: Ram�n_G_Casta�eda
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:17
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What little I can discern from the OP's messages leads me to infer he's referring to Font handling by human operators as opposed to what we understand as software Font Management, i.e. a piece of font-managing software that manages fonts (the font manager) in the sense of activating them and deactivating them either on the fly or manually, the process we know as Font Management.
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