OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

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11 total messages Started by Max_Schaefer Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:49

#883

Author: Max_Schaefer
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:49

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Style linking of several OT fonts simply isn't working for me in normal Cocoa apps and I don't understand why.

For example, I'm typing in Garamond Premier Pro Regular. I hit Apple-B and it switches, correctly, to GPP Bold. But then I hit Apple-B again and instead of switching back it goes into GPP Medium Subhead.

Or even more strangely, I'm in GPP Regular. Apple-I switches to Bold Italic Display. Apple-I again to Bold Display. Arno Pro Regular does exactly the same thing with Apple-I. With Apple-B, it goes => Bold, then => Bold Display, => Bold.

I have cleaned font caches and have no idea how else to try to fix this. I'm running the latest version of FontExplorer X, if that's relevant. (Also, if I only activate four basic styles -- regular, bold, italic, bold italic -- everything works fine.)

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#884

Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:58

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Max,

Which OS? Which specific apps? Or is it all? Which specific fonts? Or is it all?

Neil

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#885

Author: Max_Schaefer
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:22

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Neil

OS X 10.4.10. It seems to be happening in all apps that use the built-in Cocoa font selector -- for example TextEdit, Scrivener, Pages. But just to be really confusing, the particular errors seem to vary by app. For example, in TextEdit, GPP Regular toggles with Apple-I to GPP Bold Italic Display and then to Bold Display. In Pages, it toggles to Bold Italic Display but then back to Regular.

It does *not* happen in Microsoft Word, or Adobe apps.

It seems to happen with certain OT fonts with a largish number of weights/styles. GPP, Arno Pro, Minion Pro (Apple-B toggles Regular => Semibold => Medium). Helvetica LT Std Roman bolds into Bold but 'unbolds' into Fractions, and also reverts to Fractions from Italic.

Actually, I'm now noticing another, presumably connected issue, which is that the default style the cocoa selector chooses for these fonts is also wrong (that is, when you simply click on the font family in the cocoa text selector's 'Family' column, it brings up 'Typefaces' to the right with a default already selected).

Family - Default typeface
GPP - Bold Display
Arno Pro - Bold Display
Minion Pro - Regular (but see bolding issue above)
Helvetica LT Std - Fractions

I don't have a large number of OT fonts in large families. These are the ones that I've noticed problems with.

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#886

Author: Thomas_Phinney
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:48

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This sure looks like a new Mac OS bug in font handling. We'll look into it and file a bug with Apple as appropriate.

Thanks,

T

Thomas Phinney
Product Manager
Fonts & Global Typography

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#892

Author: Ram�n_G_Casta�eda
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:09

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      a new Mac OS bug in font handling




The Achiles heel of OS X Tiger. :/

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#919

Author: Odysseus1479
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:07

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In article <3bc4737d.3@webcrossing.la2eafNXanI>,
 Ram�n_G_Casta�eda@adobeforums.com wrote:

> The Achiles heel of OS X Tiger. :/

I have similar problems on my Panther system (Mac OS v10.3.9) in 
Illustrator (vv11-12) and InDesign (vv3-4) both. For example, using my 
good old Type 1 Frutiger from 1989 (the "expected" result being based on 
the font's behaviour under OS 9, and in QuarkXPress under OS X):

Weight      Style     Font expected  Font used

45 Light    Italic    46 Light It.   56 Italic
            Bold      65 Bold        87 Extra Black Con.
            Bold It.  66 Bold It.    76 Black It.

55 Roman    Italic    56 Italic      56 Italic
            Bold      75 Black       87 Extra Black Con.
            Bold It.  76 Black It.   76 Black It.

65 Bold     Italic    66 Bold It.    76 Black Italic
            Bold      65 Bold*       57 Condensed
            Bold It.  66 Bold It.*   56 Italic

47 Lt.Con.  Italic    47 oblique*    56 Italic
            Bold      67 Bold Con.   87 Extra Black Con.
            Bold It.  67 B.Con.obl.* 76 Black Italic

57 Con.     Italic    57 oblique*    56 Italic
            Bold      77 Black Con.  87 Extra Black Con.
            Bold It.  77 Blk.C.obl.* 76 Black Italic


75 Black, 95 Ultra, 67 Bold Condensed, 77 Black Con., & 87 Extra Black 
Con. behave exactly the same as the 65 Bold. Asterisks indicate styles 
that I wouldn't actually use: IME they're rendered with _faux_ effects 
on a laser printer but revert to the base font on an imagesetter.

-- 
Odysseus

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#921

Author: Thomas_Phinney
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:33

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Our own testing has duplicated this problem, and we're filing a bug with Apple. Very sad. :(

Regards,

T

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#923

Author: Max_Schaefer
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:18

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Yeah, that's a shame. I was hoping it was some freak aberration on my system. Thanks for filing the bug, anyway.

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#814

Author: brian_a_robson
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:17

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I get Helvetica Fractions in parts of my emails ( using MacMail)
and on occasional web pages ( Wickipedia for instance)

I just can't seem to find a fix for it annywhere...
it's bloody annoying...
I read my messages by copying them and pasting the info into Text Edit,
where the message is displayed in english, not fractions!

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#815

Author: MikeKazlow
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:58

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Brian,

If you give Mailsmith a try, I guarantee that you will have not font 
issues. Of course, you'll have plain text mail, but no font issues :-)

Mike

Re: OT style linking going crazy in OS X 10.4.10 Cocoa apps

#729

Author: Max_Schaefer
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:44

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This is an ongoing issue in OS X 10.4.11. Can anybody confirm whether it's been fixed in Leopard?

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