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9 total messages Started by K.P. Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:52
Question from a typography newbie
#968
Author: K.P.
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:52
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Hello all.

I hope the answer to this is not in another question on the forum, I looked at the topics carefully and none seemed to fit.

Background: I have a long document created in MS Word that I will soon be importing into Indesign CS2. This will be going to a printer that wants a .pdf to use to create the finished book. The book size should be 8.5 x 11. I am currently using Palatino Lintoype @ 10.5 within the Word document. I chose a serif font because I read that they are best for use in printed documents. The test pdfs that I have run become much more difficult to read when smaller sizes are used. The text appears to be too cluttered or dense, if that makes sense to you. My goal is to decrease the total page count, but still have a product that is easy to read.

Questions: 1) What fonts within CS2's default font installation might I try to get a clearer, cleaner read at smaller sizes? 2) If nothing within the default CS2 install is suitable, are there any free fonts elsewhere that can be used in CS2 that might suit this purpose?

Thanks in advance for any replies.
KP
Re: Question from a typography newbie
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Author: Unit.Seven
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:57
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Not one of the experts around here, but I imagine Minion Pro which comes with CS2 would be an appropriate choice for the use - not sure on the style though as this relates more to subject matter, audience, branding etc. Minion does seem to set into a smaller space then Palatino

Have you tried decreasing the leading and maybe a wee bit of negative tracking in your paragraph style? Though this will 'darken' the page colour.

Also coming from Word you may be adding an empty line between paragraphs, this is a bit of a no-no and you should use the "Space after paragraph" value to add a bit of space but not a full line - this will also save some pages, but again will 'darken' the page.

Hope this helps give you some things to look into, and I'm sure you'll get some more advice from the more experienced people here shortly.
Re: Question from a typography newbie
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:40
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KP,

Are you making your PDFs from your Word document? I'd import first into InDesign, and make them from there. Type is handled differently with a graphic design tool (InDesign) than it is with a general office tool (Word) and the appearance will be different in a number of ways, such as how the type is spaced, kerned and leaded.

Palatino should be OK in small sizes, although it is not the most readable at sizes below, say, 7 or 8 pt. But certainly Minion or Adobe Garamond or similar should be fine for general text. There's a number of very good choices that come bundled with CS software. And a 10.5 pt size is generally OK for readability. But it should have some leading. For long text, I'd like to see 10.5/12 or 10.5/13 as minimum leading. I also keep the column widths to 50-75 characters wide, again for readability and appearance.

And stay away from "free" or super-cheap fonts. They tend to be poorly crafted knockoffs, badly designed "originals", can often cause problems at output time, and there may be legal issues (font piracy) involved in their distribution. For example, outside of included fonts with Adobe software, Adobe's fonts are generally not legally available for free distribution.

Neil
Re: Question from a typography newbie
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Author: Don_McCahill
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:06
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Palatino is a fine font for book work, and 10.5 point is an acceptable size. But I suspect that you are setting on too wide a measure, and that is making the work hard to read. Normally, a book on 8.5x11 paper should have one wide margin, with perhaps 30 to 36 picas of text width.

This will make the book longer in page count, but you can use up some of the marginal space for illustrations, headings (especially side headings), and other marginalia.

Drop into a bookstore and take a look at some of the larger format books. The are usually professionally designed and will give you good ideas.

(If you really need to cram it into a short page count, go to a two column format.)
Re: Question from a typography newbie
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Author: K.P.
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:51
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Hello again all.

Thanks very much for your responses. The book is technical in nature, and I want to adopt a modern textbook style.

Unit Seven, I will watch out for the formatting that Word might add; Mr Keller's advice about the importing and leading should come in very handy here.

By the way, I have a textbook, ISBN 0131914359, Organizational Behavior by Stephen Robbins. This book is in the format that Mr. Cahill mentioned, with one wide margin. Can anyone tell me what this font is or how I might find out?

Thanks again for all your help.

KP
Re: Question from a typography newbie
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Author: Don_McCahill
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:54
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      Can anyone tell me what this font is or how I might find out?




Not really, without seeing the book. I note that Amazon does not have a see inside feature. The cover font looks like Avant Garde, but that means nothing about the inside design.

I did a little sleuthing, and found that the 12 edition of that book uses ITC New Baskerville in the appendicies. That is no guarantee that the 11th edition (the one you gave the ISBN for) is the same.

(If you want to check, take a look at the italics. The p in particular is very distinctive, and the s, y and e shapes will confirm it. You can get samples of the font online in several places, like myfont.com and adobe.com, and some allow you to set the font large enough to compare.)
Re: Question from a typography newbie
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Author: K.P.
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:25
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Thanks for your reply Mr. McCahill. I will do the research.
Re: Question from a typography newbie
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Author: Dominic_Hurley
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:17
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Have a look at the title verso (the flipside of the title page). If you're lucky, the name of the font used will be listed there.
Re: Question from a typography newbie
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Author: Neil_Keller
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:04
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Or there might be a colophon at the very back of the book that would include the typographic information.

Neil
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