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what is the bridging that your talking about?
"Stray Cat" <Stray_Cat@alt.anonymous.messages> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:34:21 GMT, kryppy@bellsouth.net (Jack Agent
> 3509) wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:55:40 -0400, Stray Cat
> ><Stray_Cat@alt.anonymous.messages> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 05:03:14 GMT, kryppy@bellsouth.net (Jack Agent
> >>3509) wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:25:02 -0400, John M. <none@none.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>A happy Bellsouth customer without a decent news server?
> >>>
> >>>I would be a happy Bellsouth customer even if they just discontinued
> >>>the damn newservers already. They have pretty much always sucked
> >>>anyway.
> >>>
> >>>On the other hand, you could always get a T-1 and then for your $1000
> >>>per month you will have to buy a premium newservice anyway..
> >>>
> >>>You pay $50 for this service...come on. No affordable home broadband
> >>>can even come close to this!! Hell they could also can the stinking
> >>>mail servers for all I care.
> >>
> >>Really? I pay $50, and get good news and mail (but I don't use the
> >>mail, I run my own).
> >
> >Does Telocity's newservers really compare to alt, supernews or any of
> >the premium servers?? When they eventually force me off my bridged
> >connection I will probably get to see firsthand...
>
> Sure. When the server was in top shape completion and speed were
> absolutely stellar. It more than rivaled commercial services, it was
> clearly better. These days completion in now good again, but not quite
> as good as it was. Speed is off a bit during peak hours, but great
> during the day. There is interaction between the completion and the
> speed. When the server is under heavy reading load, completion can
> start to slip. But it a very good freebie still.
>
> Given Bellsouth's now public admission that bridging will be
> deprecated, that ought to clinch it for those who find this important
> to them. How many will wait till it's gone before actually going
> elsewhere is the big question. My feel is that the longer you postpone
> the inevitable, the greater the chance that a change will be more
> difficult or not turn out as well. Of course Bellsouth's performance
> to schedules could mean that bridging will be around a lot longer than
> they are saying now. But so is that news server fiasco that was
> supposed to be cleared up by April 2000. I wouldn't count on this
> though.
>
> >>>Who wants their IP and all that BS crap in the headers anyway?
> >>
> >>My ISP's news server doesn't put IPs in the headers. But they still
> >>can know who made the post.
> >
> >I'm pretty sure anyone running a newserver could tell who made a post
> >in question, the difference is just seeing it in the headers or
> >obtaining a court order.
>
> Anyone running a news server can tell who made posts if they keep
> logs. They don't need a court order to read their own logs. They may
> require a court order to reveal that information to interested third
> parties, but plenty of them will roll over without any legal paperwork
> at all.
>
> >
> >>>One warez post and you would be back on dialup...
> >>
> >>LOL. And you'd lose that account too on the next illegal post if you
> >>upped it directly to a news server. Unless the server was in Russia or
> >>some such place.
> >
> >
> >I'm talking about the difference in upping warez from your bellsouth
> >server vs say alt.net's servers. With one you MAY lose your news
> >account - the other...back on dialup....or the next broadband
> >provider...
> >
>
> Sure. But you might not even lose your news account on alt.net. You
> will have to deal with the legal problems yourself, alt.net doesn't
> get involved in that. They just surrender evidence. But everyone gets
> a second chance there, at least.
>
> All you have to do is re-affirm that you won't use the service in ways
> that are against the AUP. In fact, I don't know anyone who actually
> got shut off for warezing. They generated some posts that led to
> complaints, the complaints were forwarded to the poster and they had
> to reply that they got the complaint and that they would abide by the
> AUP.
>
> The tone of the letter is completely non-accusatory. They don't say
> you did anything wrong or illegal, just that someone complained, and
> if what they say happened is true, it might be a problem.
>
> The only catch with this is that you can't ignore the letter. They
> will send e-mail to your address on record and if you ignore it or it
> bounces, they may disable your ability to post until you get in touch
> with them about this.
>
> But sure, posting something bad to a Bellsouth news server wouldn't be
> smart if you could do it another way, even if you had to pay for that
> other way. However, it's a matter of degree. If someone complains to
> altnet, for example, they get your name and the IP you used too. There
> is nothing to prevent the complainant from also whining to Bellsouth
> about illegal use of the service. Check your AUP on this. It doesn't
> say illegal acts on their servers, it says illegal acts using their
> network.