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In <3280F261.46@sematech.org> james berry <james.berry@sematech.org> writes:

#Jim wrote:
#> 
#> Steve Crisp wrote:
#> >
#> > Blyden Potts wrote:
#> > >
#> > > In the spirit of the election it might be fun to have people offer "votes" on who
#> > > they believe were the five sleaziest Presidents in U.S. history.  Please provide the
#> > > names of your candidates, a ranked order, and brief reasons they should be considered.
#> > > If you like, we can also recognize a distinction between being personally sleazy and
#> > > having a corrupt or sleazy administration.  Reply with your vote.
#> >
#> > 1. Nixon...no one else even comes close.
#> > 2. Grant...the man was a drunken, lying, whore.
#> > 3. Clinton...at least he isn't a drunk.
#> >
#> > I can't even think of another two who come anywhere near the sleaze
#> > factor or corruption level as those three.
#> >
#> > Steve Crisp
#> 
#> While I agree that Nixon was no boy scout, Clinton should be at the top
#> of the list!!!!  Nixon got nailed for what, looking at 1 or 2 FBI files,
#> Clinton has "stolen", what 500+?!?!!?  Not to mention WhiteWater, the
#> fact that most of his associates are either dead or in prison, or under
#> charges, not to mention the fact that it seems that he will sleep with
#> anything or anybody, the fact that his own brother has said that Bill
#> "loves" cocaine.....I could go on.
#> 
#> Jim

#	Not to mention the fact you obviously have no clue!  If you 
#	really believe Nixon was run out of office for looking at 1 or
#	2 FBI files you really need to review history.  Oh I know it
#	really was that liberal press that did it.  You know the ones
#	that endorse Dole.  There were something on the order of 200
#	newspapers endorsing Dole to around 100 for Clinton.  Selective
#	memory.  Hell no wonder the country club set retained control
#	of the house.  The ccs and the religious right,  politics sure
#	make for some strange bed fellows.
#	
#	Hell yes you could go on, but you would be making it up just like
#	your previous bull shit.  Why stop here.  I heard he was really 
#	a satan worshiper and that he like to kick puppies to death and that
#	he is having an affair with Yelstin and that he is secretly plotting
#	to brain wash school children to believe in the "new world order" ....

#	Clinton won by a WIDE margin,  (if it had been Dole your buddies 
#	would be screaming from the highest roofs about a mandate from
#	the people)  deal with it.

Umm... depends on what you're looking at... Electorally, yes, but popular
vote, it wasn't too far off (50-45, or some such).  Then there's the 
"evidence" that suggest that Clinton's popularity isn't all-encompassing, 
since his main obstacle to exercising his wishes was reelected (the
Republican dominated House and Senate.  Hell, his home state elected a
Republican Senator for the first time since universal suffrage was passed).

The main comment I saw from political pundits was that it was a vote for the
status quo, and that it's EXTREMELY difficult to unseat an incumbent 
president when the economy is perceived as doing well (never mind that it 
started improving under Bush).  Then there's the people Dole had alienated
over various issues, such as reneging on his promise to fight for repeal
of the "Assault Weapons Ban" (more aptly the "ugly gun ban", since such
firearms are seldom used in crime, they aren't actually banned, and the
law is so poorly worded that most of the "banned" firearms have been
reintroduced with cosmetic changes, for legal sale).  Dole wasn't stuck
with the Senator Straddle nickname for nothing...

James