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Greg Warnick wrote:

> Has anyone SUCCESSFULLY traded cars at Serra Toyota in Decatur?  I've tried
> numerous times (masochist) but never been able to.

Can you say some more about your problem?  What specifically are you
having trouble with?  I don't know anybody at Serra (and don't know much
about the organization) but it's nearly a certainty I know somebody who
knows somebody.
-- 
Bo Williams - wrwillia@mindspring.com

In article <sHIE6.215$5b1.18933@news1.atl>,
    Greg Warnick <gwarnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

: Has anyone SUCCESSFULLY traded cars at Serra Toyota in Decatur?  I've
: tried numerous times (masochist) but never been able to.

Off-topic rant: if I ever considered buying from Serra, I'd demand that
they remove that fugly Serra Toyota sticker.

Why would you want to sell your car to a dealer?  With increasing
consumer awareness of the real costs of automobiles, dealers have
punted and resorted to trying to make money on trade-ins, i.e., they
want to cheat you out of thousands of dollars of value in your car.
Sell it in the paper or at least do some research into the value of
the car you have.

Greg
-- 
[Freud] raved about "the stimulative effect of coca on the genitalia" and in
a letter to his fiancee, Martha, "forewarned her of the pleasure she could
expect from 'a wild man with cocaine in his body'"--revealing him to be not
just the father of psychoanalysis but a precursor of gangsta rap.  --GK

Greg Bacon wrote:
> 
> In article <sHIE6.215$5b1.18933@news1.atl>,
>     Greg Warnick <gwarnick@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> : Has anyone SUCCESSFULLY traded cars at Serra Toyota in Decatur?  I've
> : tried numerous times (masochist) but never been able to.
> 
> Off-topic rant: if I ever considered buying from Serra, I'd demand that
> they remove that fugly Serra Toyota sticker.

Or not put it on in the first place.  My dad and I used to deal in
wholesale used cars years ago.  The very first retail purchase of my
life was when I found one of the last, great land-yacht station wagons. 
I made the deal with Ford in Hartselle, but when I came back, they had
spray-painted the old sticker and stuck on their own.  I deducted $100
damages from the price, pealed off their sticker and stuck it on the
saleman's desk.  I reminded him to NEVER TOUCH THE DAMN CAR after a
deal.

I hate the whole sticker thing.  Has anyone in history ever decided
where to buy a car based on this free ad?
> 
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Ron Hammon <hammon@hiwaay.nyet> wrote:

>Greg Bacon wrote:
>> 
>> In article <sHIE6.215$5b1.18933@news1.atl>,
>>     Greg Warnick <gwarnick@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> : Has anyone SUCCESSFULLY traded cars at Serra Toyota in Decatur?  I've
>> : tried numerous times (masochist) but never been able to.
>> 
>> Off-topic rant: if I ever considered buying from Serra, I'd demand that
>> they remove that fugly Serra Toyota sticker.
>
>Or not put it on in the first place.  My dad and I used to deal in
>wholesale used cars years ago.  The very first retail purchase of my
>life was when I found one of the last, great land-yacht station wagons. 
>I made the deal with Ford in Hartselle, but when I came back, they had
>spray-painted the old sticker and stuck on their own.  I deducted $100
>damages from the price, pealed off their sticker and stuck it on the
>saleman's desk.  I reminded him to NEVER TOUCH THE DAMN CAR after a
>deal.
>
>I hate the whole sticker thing.  Has anyone in history ever decided
>where to buy a car based on this free ad?

I haven't.  Some ads have made me decide where not to buy a car.
Bill Heard's loud and obnoxious ads have kept me away from their
business.  The louder their commercials the less trusting I am.

Bob

Bob230@hotmail.com (Bob230) wrote:

#I haven't.  Some ads have made me decide where not to buy a car.
#Bill Heard's loud and obnoxious ads have kept me away from their
#business.  The louder their commercials the less trusting I am.

There are salespeople at Bill Heards that will lie through their teeth.
Stay away.


Carbon

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Ron asked:
>I hate the whole sticker thing.  Has anyone in history ever decided
>where to buy a car based on this free ad?

Sort of. I made it a condition of the sales agreement that the dealer
wouldn't place his emblem or plates on my car, but the timing worked
for me.  In another week, the dealer-ordered "protective" detail package 
would have been installed.
-- 
JM

What teeth?


"Jim" <arclight@orbit.telocity.com> wrote in message
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> Bob230@hotmail.com (Bob230) wrote:
>
> #I haven't.  Some ads have made me decide where not to buy a car.
> #Bill Heard's loud and obnoxious ads have kept me away from their
> #business.  The louder their commercials the less trusting I am.
>
> There are salespeople at Bill Heards that will lie through their teeth.
> Stay away.
>
>
> Carbon
>
> _________________________________________________
>
>
> You'll have to de-orbit my address to reply.

The kindly Rev. overheard "rp" <randyps@yahoo.com> saying on 23 Apr
2001: 

>> There are salespeople at Bill Heards that will lie through their
>> teeth. Stay away.

>What teeth?

Both of them.
-- 
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
crispen at hiwaay dot net

If a cow laughed, would milk come out her nose?

"Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <revbob@the.rectory> wrote in message
news:Xns908DCCE47F395revbob@207.126.101.100...
> The kindly Rev. overheard "rp" <randyps@yahoo.com> saying on 23 Apr
> 2001:
>
> >> There are salespeople at Bill Heards that will lie through their
> >> teeth. Stay away.
>
> >What teeth?
>
> Both of them.
> --
> Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
> crispen at hiwaay dot net
>
> If a cow laughed, would milk come out her nose?
Car salesmen are no different than any other type of salesman...they will
lie, cheat and steal in order to get more money with less effort.  I found
this out when I tried to purchase a truck from Dan Wachtel in Athens.  The
salesman refused to come off of the retail price, but did continue to lower
the payments...by going from a four year to a five, six, or seven year loan.
I guess I had "Idiot" stamped on my forehead that morning...

In article <ePAF6.26887$u7.12482184@e3500-chi1.usenetserver.com>,
    The Larch <Larch@treefucker.com> wrote:

: Car salesmen are no different than any other type of salesman...they
: will lie, cheat and steal in order to get more money with less
: effort.  I found this out when I tried to purchase a truck from Dan
: Wachtel in Athens.  The salesman refused to come off of the retail
: price, but did continue to lower the payments...by going from a four
: year to a five, six, or seven year loan.  I guess I had "Idiot"
: stamped on my forehead that morning...

Seven years?!  It's sad to think how many people must take them up on
the offer.

Greg, also *very* dissatisfied with area Ford dealers
-- 
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know why Unix programmers make more money than Windows ``programmers''?
Because we Unix people know how to read the manual -- and you don't.
    -- Tom Christiansen

gbacon@HiWAAY.net (Greg Bacon) wrote:

>In article <ePAF6.26887$u7.12482184@e3500-chi1.usenetserver.com>,
>    The Larch <Larch@treefucker.com> wrote:
>
>: Car salesmen are no different than any other type of salesman...they
>: will lie, cheat and steal in order to get more money with less
>: effort.  I found this out when I tried to purchase a truck from Dan
>: Wachtel in Athens.  The salesman refused to come off of the retail
>: price, but did continue to lower the payments...by going from a four
>: year to a five, six, or seven year loan.  I guess I had "Idiot"
>: stamped on my forehead that morning...
>
>Seven years?!  It's sad to think how many people must take them up on
>the offer.

The last time I dealt with a car salesman (1993) he quoted me a
monthly payment of $360.00 a month and wanted me to sign.  I told him
I didn't care about the monthly payment I wanted to know what the
interest rate was.  It turned out to be pretty high so I said "no
thanks, I'll go to my credit union and get a loan."  The guy in the
finance department went ahead and matched my credit union's rate and
the monthly payment dropped to $309.00 a month.  I left there in
awe...all I did was say I was going to my credit union and in the
space of 15 minutes my monthly payment dropped by 50 bucks.  I
wondered how many people never questioned the interest rate and just
agreed to pay what seemed like an affordable monthly payment.  

Unfortunately the wife's been grousing about wanting a new car so I
may have to visit a dealership later this year.

Bob

The Larch wrote:

> Car salesmen are no different than any other type of salesman...they will
> lie, cheat and steal in order to get more money with less effort.  

Not true of all car salespeople, just as all lawyers aren't ambulance
chasers either.  It's just that the bad ones (unfortunately) often make
the deepest impressions.
-- 
Bo Williams, former car salesperson
wrwillia@mindspring.com

"Bo Williams" <wrwillia@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> The Larch wrote:
>
> > Car salesmen are no different than any other type of salesman...they
will
> > lie, cheat and steal in order to get more money with less effort.
>
> Not true of all car salespeople, just as all lawyers aren't ambulance
> chasers either.  It's just that the bad ones (unfortunately) often make
> the deepest impressions.

true enough.  I've just never met one...then again, I've never met a lawyer
who didn't need his ass kicked either...
> --
> Bo Williams, former car salesperson
> wrwillia@mindspring.com

Never have, but heard plenty of negatives about the place. lol

Kyle

On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:12:42 -0500, "Greg Warnick"
<gwarnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Has anyone SUCCESSFULLY traded cars at Serra Toyota in Decatur?  I've tried
>numerous times (masochist) but never been able to.
>


I've purchased two used vehicle from them with a fair amount of
success. We were happy with both vehicles and I think we got a fair
deal. I consider haggling to be a sport so I've gone in it to have
fun. Both times we've not being pressed for a car purchase that day.

When we've gone it is been on a slow day (rainy or mid week and an
hour or two before they close) and negotiated. I recommend looking at
edmunds.com I believe they have tips for spotting the normal salesmen
tactics and tips on how to counteract them. I wind up negotiating
because I can do numbers or answer quicker than my husband. I also
recommend going to a dealership you don't truly plan on buying from
(make up your mind going in) and just practice on your haggling. 

After each of our purchases, we've found out later, the salesmen
decided to change jobs soon after they sold us our cars. During our
last purchase the dealer and I reached a stalmate on price (only off a
few hundred dollars but I wouldn't budge) instead of walking away I
told them to put on new tires (they needed them) and throw in some oil
changes.  They started to sputter and I just flattly said.. "Don't
try to tell me it costs you too much because you will get the tires at
cost". 


Personally, I would stay away from Billy Penney. I have had nothing
but rude service from their salesmen and have heard horror stories
about them from people who did purchase from them. I also dislike the
Jerry Damson in Huntsville and Florence. I was looking to purchase a
new Odysessy and they couldn't be bothered in demoing the van. So I
didn't bother purchasing a van from them.

Good luck

The kindly Rev. overheard "The Larch" <Larch@treefucker.com> saying
on 25 Apr 2001: 

>Car salesmen are no different than any other type of salesman...they
>will lie, cheat and steal in order to get more money with less
>effort.  I found this out when I tried to purchase a truck from Dan
>Wachtel in Athens.  The salesman refused to come off of the retail
>price, but did continue to lower the payments...by going from a four
>year to a five, six, or seven year loan. I guess I had "Idiot"
>stamped on my forehead that morning... 

No, I think it's just the salespeople at Dan Wachtel.  They sure are 
proud of their cars up there, and I've never got a price from them that 
I thought was even worth responding to.

The salespeople at Joe Sartain, on the other hand, have always started 
out with a reasonable price and were willing to deal from there.
-- 
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
crispen at hiwaay dot net

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In article <tedmvoj25emtf8@corp.supernews.com>, Greg Bacon
<gbacon@hiwaay.net> wrote:

>Greg, also *very* dissatisfied with area Ford dealers

I highly recommend dealing with Spanky at Ray Pearman. He was up-front
with my wife and I during a car deal where we all knew were going to come
out at a loss, and he worked with us in an open and honest fashion to make
sure that loss was minimal to us.

Century Buick hid accident information about a used car that my wife
purchased, correspondingly oversold the car to her, and then ran her
around beyond the manufacturer's warrenty to let a minor transmission
problem grow to a major one that she had then to pay to fix. The loss we
suffered at Ray Pearman was during the trade-in of this car at a value
well below the remaining loan buy-off price because the car had had
serious accident damage.

At Dan Wachtel's, in a period of 6 months, a sales rep gave us two
different trade-in prices on the same car differing by about $5k. The
rep's comment at the second visit, after inspecting the car and returning
with the lower trade-in amount was, they now noticed, the car paint needed
touching up (Spanky told us without prompting, after inspecting the car,
that it had been in an rather serious accident).

That said about certain local car dealers, the service group at Ray
Pearman's is a sorry, disorganized lot by comparison to the group at Jerry
Damson Honda.

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(256) 430-3267

The Larch wrote:
> 
> "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <revbob@the.rectory> wrote in message
> news:Xns908DCCE47F395revbob@207.126.101.100...
> > The kindly Rev. overheard "rp" <randyps@yahoo.com> saying on 23 Apr
> > 2001:
> >
> > >> There are salespeople at Bill Heards that will lie through their
> > >> teeth. Stay away.
> >
> > >What teeth?
> >
> > Both of them.
> > --
> > Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
> > crispen at hiwaay dot net
> >
> > If a cow laughed, would milk come out her nose?
> Car salesmen are no different than any other type of salesman...they will
> lie, cheat and steal in order to get more money with less effort.  I found
> this out when I tried to purchase a truck from Dan Wachtel in Athens.  The
> salesman refused to come off of the retail price, but did continue to lower
> the payments...by going from a four year to a five, six, or seven year loan.
> I guess I had "Idiot" stamped on my forehead that morning...

No, you probably had something else on your forehead and they read it
wrong.

I was looking at used cars at Bill Heard.  They had a car that I was
interested
in but turns out they had a soft price about $2,000 above book value. 
They tried
to make out like a few hundred dollars off their price was a great deal
(crap).

Jeff Finlayson
Madison, Alabama