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On 21-January-2012 6:06 PM, DanielSan wrote:
> On 1/20/2012 11:01 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>
>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>
>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>> there any happy atheists?
>
> Yo!  :)

hullo Nappisan! :)

-- 
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

On 21-January-2012 6:07 PM, DanielSan wrote:

> On 1/20/2012 10:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>> On 21-January-2012 4:23 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
>>> On Jan 19, 3:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>> A total screw-up?
>>>
>>> Your question reminds me of this poem:
>>> http://www.atheists.net/images/fufather.jpg
>>
>> hmmm. I have to wonder tho why atheism is so typically undignified.
>
> Atheism?  Or some atheists?

Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this sort of 
undignified religion/christian bashing

-- 
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:

> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a �crit :
>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>
>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>
>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>> there any happy atheists?
>
> I am.
>
> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or 
> "gods".
>
> Anything else is up for grabs.
>
> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>
>

nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and 
atheism is a belief

-- 
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

On 21-January-2012 6:12 PM, SkyEyes wrote:

> On Jan 19, 5:08 pm, Barry OGrady<athe...@hotmail.com.au>  wrote:
>
>> That's a good question but don't expect a good answer.
>> Gladys says that you and I are to blame because we had
>> sin and suffering forced on us.
> If sin and suffering were "forced on" us, how are we to blame?

That's exactly what he's saying

>    That
> statement made my whiskers hurt.
>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com


-- 
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:23:22 +1100, felix_unger <me@nothere.com>
wrote:

>On 21-January-2012 6:07 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2012 10:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> On 21-January-2012 4:23 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
>>>> On Jan 19, 3:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>>>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>>> A total screw-up?
>>>>
>>>> Your question reminds me of this poem:
>>>> http://www.atheists.net/images/fufather.jpg
>>>
>>> hmmm. I have to wonder tho why atheism is so typically undignified.
>>
>> Atheism?  Or some atheists?
>
>Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this sort of 
>undignified religion/christian bashing

There is nothing dignified about Christianity.

>-- 
>rgds,
>
>Pete

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:25:51 +1100, felix_unger <me@nothere.com>
wrote:

>On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
>
>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a �crit :
>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>>
>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>>
>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>>> there any happy atheists?
>>
>> I am.
>>
>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or 
>> "gods".
>>
>> Anything else is up for grabs.
>>
>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>>
>>
>
>nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and 
>atheism is a belief

Your wishful thinking won't change the fact that humans are machines.

>-- 
>rgds,
>
>Pete

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

Le 2012-01-21 02:25, felix_unger a �crit :
> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
>
>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a �crit :
>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>>
>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>>
>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>>> there any happy atheists?
>>
>> I am.
>>
>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
>> "gods".
>>
>> Anything else is up for grabs.
>>
>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>>
>>
>
> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
> atheism is a belief

You know it's not. Because that would lead you to actually believe in 
the non existence of Zeus, Thor, and thousands of other gods.

On 1/21/2012 1:29 AM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:23:22 +1100, felix_unger<me@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 21-January-2012 6:07 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/20/2012 10:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>> On 21-January-2012 4:23 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 19, 3:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>>>>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>>>> A total screw-up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your question reminds me of this poem:
>>>>> http://www.atheists.net/images/fufather.jpg
>>>>
>>>> hmmm. I have to wonder tho why atheism is so typically undignified.
>>>
>>> Atheism?  Or some atheists?
>>
>> Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this sort of
>> undignified religion/christian bashing
>
If presumptuous theists didn't drop in uninvited to a.a, there would be 
no need to bash anyone.
>
> There is nothing dignified about Christianity.
>
>> --
>> rgds,
>>
>> Pete
>
> =-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
> God is a spirit. 0% proof!

On Jan 20, 11:25 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
> > Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a écrit :
> >> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>
> >>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>
> >> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
> >> there any happy atheists?
>
> > I am.
>
> > Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
> > "gods".
>
> > Anything else is up for grabs.
>
> > You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>
> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
> atheism is a belief

There is no evidence for such a causality.  Behaviours are not
dependent on beliefs.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"We have a holiday where we stuff food into other food."
   -- Bill Maher (humourous comment about the Thanksgiving holiday)

On Jan 20, 11:23 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 6:07 PM, DanielSan wrote:
> > On 1/20/2012 10:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> >> On 21-January-2012 4:23 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
> >>> On Jan 19, 3:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> >>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> >>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
> >>> A total screw-up?
>
> >>> Your question reminds me of this poem:
> >>>http://www.atheists.net/images/fufather.jpg
>
> >> hmmm. I have to wonder tho why atheism is so typically undignified.
>
> > Atheism?  Or some atheists?
>
> Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this sort of
> undignified religion/christian bashing

I found one (and it even supports IPv6):  http://www.atheistfrontier.com/

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"If politicians all told the truth, we'd be out of business."
   -- Jay Leno

On Jan 20, 11:08 am, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012, felix_unger wrote:
>
> >What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> >killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> >laws and vagaries of nature?
>
God did not create a world where 'living things survive only by
killing
sonething else and .............(as above> ..

> That's a good question but don't expect a good answer.
> Gladys says that you and I are to blame because we had
> sin and suffering forced on us.
>
Barry, I have been more than patient with you.
You know that I have never posted that to you ...
or is it that you have a massive bout of Amnesia???
or is it that you just like being argumentative????

It is most likely, according to my thinking, that if you had you been
Adam
you would have sinned even quicker than Adam did.

Are you of the conviction that whoever posts lasts in a topic in these
newgroups
is the winner? If so, your thinking is completely haywire.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (Luke
1 : 35)
that whosoever (that can mean you, Barry) believes on Him (ie Jesus
Christ)
shall not perish, ***but shall have everlasting life.***

For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world,
***but that the world through Him might be saved.

(S(he who believes on Him (that is Jesus)  is not condemned
but (s)he who believes  not is condemned already ;
because (s)he has not beieved in the name of the only begotten Son of
God.
John 3 : 16 - 18
Gladys Swager

On 1/20/2012 11:21 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 6:06 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>> On 1/20/2012 11:01 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>>
>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>>
>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>>> there any happy atheists?
>>
>> Yo! :)
>
> hullo Nappisan! :)

Where do you get this name?

On 1/20/2012 11:23 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 6:07 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>
>> On 1/20/2012 10:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> On 21-January-2012 4:23 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
>>>> On Jan 19, 3:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>>>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>>> A total screw-up?
>>>>
>>>> Your question reminds me of this poem:
>>>> http://www.atheists.net/images/fufather.jpg
>>>
>>> hmmm. I have to wonder tho why atheism is so typically undignified.
>>
>> Atheism? Or some atheists?
>
> Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this sort of
> undignified religion/christian bashing

So, your impression of all atheists is by the sites you've found on the 
Internet? And you've gone looking for this religion/Christian bashing, 
right?

On 1/20/2012 11:25 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
>
>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a �crit :
>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>>
>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>>
>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>>> there any happy atheists?
>>
>> I am.
>>
>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
>> "gods".
>>
>> Anything else is up for grabs.
>>
>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>>
>>
>
> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour,

Yep.

> and
> atheism is a belief

Atheism is not a belief.  Atheists themselves have wide and varying 
beliefs, however, just like those that don't collect stamps have wide 
and varying beliefs.

On 21-January-2012 6:30 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:25:51 +1100, felix_unger<me@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>
>>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a �crit :
>>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>>>> there any happy atheists?
>>> I am.
>>>
>>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
>>> "gods".
>>>
>>> Anything else is up for grabs.
>>>
>>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>>>
>>>
>> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
>> atheism is a belief
> Your wishful thinking won't change the fact that humans are machines.

Biological 'machines' yes. but machines can only function according to 
their design and purpose. humans are much more than that.

>> -- 
>> rgds,
>>
>> Pete
> =-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
> God is a spirit. 0% proof!


-- 
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

On Jan 21, 1:30 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 6:50 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 11:23 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
> >> On 21-January-2012 6:07 PM, DanielSan wrote:
> >>> On 1/20/2012 10:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> >>>> On 21-January-2012 4:23 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
> >>>>> On Jan 19, 3:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
> >>>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> >>>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> >>>>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
> >>>>> A total screw-up?
> >>>>> Your question reminds me of this poem:
> >>>>>http://www.atheists.net/images/fufather.jpg
> >>>> hmmm. I have to wonder tho why atheism is so typically undignified.
> >>> Atheism?  Or some atheists?
> >> Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this sort of
> >> undignified religion/christian bashing
> > I found one (and it even supports IPv6)
>
> what's that?
>
> > :  http://www.atheistfrontier.com/
>
> lol! there's nothing there, that's why.. "This web site will be ready at
> some point in the future"

That site disproves your statement while also matching the criteria,
which was:  "Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this
sort of undignified religion/christian bashing."

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's
thoughts, lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions,
perpetrated through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
   -- Unknown

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:38:58 -0600, Dakota <markp@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:

>On 1/21/2012 9:41 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"<ilbebauck@gmail.com>  wrote in
>> news:776af950-ffdf-4c07-8ab7-eaac9a63d622@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>> SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
>>
>> Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into
>> the midst of Egypt. And all the firstborn in the land of
>> Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth
>> upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant
>> that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
>> Exodus 11:4
>>
>That was after Biblegod "hardened" the Pharaoh's heart several times so 
>Pharaoh didn't have a choice. Then Biblegod murdered all the children 
>and killed the firstborn animals as punishment.
>
>What kind of god commits such horrific acts!

One that is created to control people.

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

In article 
<776af950-ffdf-4c07-8ab7-eaac9a63d622@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
 "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 19, 5:18�pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> > What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> > killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> > laws and vagaries of nature?
> >
> > --
> > rgds,
> >
> > Pete
> > -------
> > �If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�
> >
> > "Dumping the Gillard/Brown Government is the 'greatest moral imperative of 
> > our time'"
> >
> > "Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because 
> > they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor 
> > governments"
> >
> > "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average 
> > temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, 
> > perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner
> >
> > "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps 
> > US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of 
> > scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is 
> > distinct from natural variation" - Bob Carter, Research Professor of 
> > Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
> >
> > Labors Debt: what will it cost YOU! ..http://tinyurl.com/Labors-debt
> >
> > The Working with Children check is a joke! ..http://tinyurl.com/insane-vcat
> > Our Kids at Risk! .. �http://tinyurl.com/crims-work-with-kids
> 
> SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God 

Which "god" would that be? Ther are so many being proposed!

In article 
<a2c54e58-5d2b-400f-a2c9-2875cd3d3a8a@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
 "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 19, 5:18�pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> > What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> > killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> > laws and vagaries of nature?
> >
> > --
> > rgds,
> >
> > Pete
> > -------
> > �If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�
> >
> > "Dumping the Gillard/Brown Government is the 'greatest moral imperative of 
> > our time'"
> >
> > "Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because 
> > they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor 
> > governments"
> >
> > "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average 
> > temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, 
> > perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner
> >
> > "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps 
> > US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of 
> > scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is 
> > distinct from natural variation" - Bob Carter, Research Professor of 
> > Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
> >
> > Labors Debt: what will it cost YOU! ..http://tinyurl.com/Labors-debt
> >
> > The Working with Children check is a joke! ..http://tinyurl.com/insane-vcat
> > Our Kids at Risk! .. �http://tinyurl.com/crims-work-with-kids
> 
> Your premise is faulty making the rest of your post void.  God made
> the world PERFECT , and it was the effects of mankinds sin that make
> it far less than perfect. 

How can human error be responsible for the many genetic errors in 
species humans have had no opportunity to mess up?

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:12:22 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
<ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 19, 5:18�pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>
>> --
>> rgds,
>>
>> Pete
>
>Your premise is faulty making the rest of your post void.  God made
>the world PERFECT , and it was the effects of mankinds sin that make
>it far less than perfect.   WE are to blame, not God our incredible
>and wonderful Creator .

So God created everything but is responsible for nothing?
What kind of God allows a world where living things survive only by
killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
laws and vagaries of nature?

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God is a spirit. 0% proof!

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:14:07 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
<ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 19, 5:18�pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>
>> --
>> rgds,
>>
>> Pete
>
>SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
>http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheists_myths.html

They assume the bible is true.

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

On Jan 21, 1:11 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 4:18 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> > killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> > laws and vagaries of nature?
>
> The nonexistent kind?
>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

No, the existent kind which atheists have gross misconceptions about ,
blame, and pretend isnt necessary.

Swave Dave
American Theist Assoc.  #007.5     . Shaken AND stirred.

On 1/21/2012 1:25 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:14:07 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
> <ilbebauck@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> On Jan 19, 5:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>>
>>> --
>>> rgds,
>>>
>>> Pete
>>
>> SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
>> http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheists_myths.html
>
> They assume the bible is true.

It's interesting what this page purports:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html

It claims that God created the universe as a "testing ground".

What does God need with a "testing ground"?  Why would humans need to be 
'tested'?

On 1/21/2012 1:31 PM, IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 21, 1:11 am, SkyEyes<skyey...@cox.net>  wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 4:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>
>> The nonexistent kind?
>>
>
> No, the existent kind which atheists have gross misconceptions about ,
> blame, and pretend isnt necessary.

The misconception that there has never been a single solitary shred of 
objective evidence ever provided for it?  Not a misconception at all. 
There isn't any objective evidence.

If there were, it'd be well known by now.  If this evidence exists, why 
aren't you providing it?

On Jan 21, 9:40 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote innews:a2c54e58-5d2b-400f-a2c9-2875cd3d3a8a@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 19, 5:18 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> >> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> >> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to
> >> the laws and vagaries of nature?
>
> >> --
> >> rgds,
>
> >> Pete
> >> -------
> >> “If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!”
>
> >> "Dumping the Gillard/Brown Government is the 'greatest moral
> >> imperative o
> > f our time'"
>
> >> "Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor,
> >> becaus
> > e they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting
> > Labor governments"
>
> >> "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average
> >> temperat
> > ure of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years,
> > perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner
>
> >> "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of
> >> perhap
> > s US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
> > scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected
> > that is distinct from natural variation" - Bob Carter, Research
> > Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
>
> >> Labors Debt: what will it cost YOU! ..http://tinyurl.com/Labors-debt
>
> >> The Working with Children check is a joke!
> >> ..http://tinyurl.com/insane-vc
> > at
> >> Our Kids at Risk! ..  http://tinyurl.com/crims-work-with-kids
>
> > Your premise is faulty making the rest of your post void.  God made
> > the world PERFECT
>
>     So why did flood it in order to wipe out all his
> "imperfect" creations?

Because  the people wanted all kinds of perverted living , were
vile ,  didnt want God , wanted to live as they liked...namely
immorally ,   and cursed God all the time.    Kind of like what we see
going on today .  Has to be an even bigger disappointment today by the
Creator who made us all.   I grieve for him.

On Jan 21, 9:41 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote innews:776af950-ffdf-4c07-8ab7-eaac9a63d622@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
>
> Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into
> the midst of Egypt. And all the firstborn in the land of
> Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth
> upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant
> that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
> Exodus 11:4

Here you go  >>>  http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html

On 1/21/2012 1:35 PM, IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 21, 9:40 am, Mitchell Holman<nomailcomcast.net>  wrote:
>> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeba...@gmail.com>  wrote innews:a2c54e58-5d2b-400f-a2c9-2875cd3d3a8a@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 19, 5:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to
>>>> the laws and vagaries of nature?
>>
>>>> --
>>>> rgds,
>>
>>>> Pete
>>>> -------
>>>> �If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�
>>
>>>> "Dumping the Gillard/Brown Government is the 'greatest moral
>>>> imperative o
>>> f our time'"
>>
>>>> "Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor,
>>>> becaus
>>> e they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting
>>> Labor governments"
>>
>>>> "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average
>>>> temperat
>>> ure of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years,
>>> perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner
>>
>>>> "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of
>>>> perhap
>>> s US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>>> scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected
>>> that is distinct from natural variation" - Bob Carter, Research
>>> Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
>>
>>>> Labors Debt: what will it cost YOU! ..http://tinyurl.com/Labors-debt
>>
>>>> The Working with Children check is a joke!
>>>> ..http://tinyurl.com/insane-vc
>>> at
>>>> Our Kids at Risk! ..  http://tinyurl.com/crims-work-with-kids
>>
>>> Your premise is faulty making the rest of your post void.  God made
>>> the world PERFECT
>>
>>      So why did flood it in order to wipe out all his
>> "imperfect" creations?
>
> Because  the people wanted all kinds of perverted living , were
> vile ,  didnt want God , wanted to live as they liked...namely
> immorally ,   and cursed God all the time.    Kind of like what we see
> going on today .  Has to be an even bigger disappointment today by the
> Creator who made us all.   I grieve for him.

But why the flood?  Why not just snap his fingers and make them all drop 
dead simultaneously?  In fact, why not blink his eyes and make them all 
just vanish from Earth and dump them into the 
underworld/hell/Gehenna/whatever?

On Jan 21, 10:38 am, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/21/2012 9:41 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeba...@gmail.com>  wrote in
> >news:776af950-ffdf-4c07-8ab7-eaac9a63d622@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
>
> > Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into
> > the midst of Egypt. And all the firstborn in the land of
> > Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth
> > upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant
> > that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
> > Exodus 11:4
>
> That was after Biblegod "hardened" the Pharaoh's heart several times so
> Pharaoh didn't have a choice. Then Biblegod murdered all the children
> and killed the firstborn animals as punishment.
>
> What kind of god commits such horrific acts!

Here ya go my friend >>>>> http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html

On Jan 21, 3:16 pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:12:22 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"
>
> <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 19, 5:18 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> >> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> >> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> >> laws and vagaries of nature?
>
> >> --
> >> rgds,
>
> >> Pete
>
> >Your premise is faulty making the rest of your post void.  God made
> >the world PERFECT , and it was the effects of mankinds sin that make
> >it far less than perfect.   WE are to blame, not God our incredible
> >and wonderful Creator .
>
> So God created everything but is responsible for nothing?
> What kind of God allows a world where living things survive only by
> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> laws and vagaries of nature?
>
> =-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
> God is a spirit. 0% proof!

In the beginning, God made a totally PERFECT world and there was no
bloodshed , no fighing,  and the Lion layed down with the Lamb in
harmony.   When Man decided to be his own god  by disobeying his own
Creator,  it threw the world into a chaotic state of natural
disasters, death, suffering,  etc...just as we have today.   He will
one day, restore the Earth to how it used to be just like he gave
mankind the opportunity to be restored and reconciled back to himself
thru the death offering of Jesus Christ , his Son.   For all who want
it anyway ;  the wise person accepts this free undeserved gift to have
all sins forgiven instead of pretending God isnt required, needed,  or
honored.  Thats what Fools do all their life., then they are very
regretful for eternity and without any hope of it every changing for
themselves.   Choose the wise way  instead of the 'atheist' way.
Peace.

On Jan 21, 3:34 pm, DanielSan <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/21/2012 1:31 PM, IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 21, 1:11 am, SkyEyes<skyey...@cox.net>  wrote:
> >> On Jan 19, 4:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> >>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> >>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>
> >> The nonexistent kind?
>
> > No, the existent kind which atheists have gross misconceptions about ,
> > blame, and pretend isnt necessary.
>
> The misconception that there has never been a single solitary shred of
> objective evidence ever provided for it?  Not a misconception at all.
> There isn't any objective evidence.
>
> If there were, it'd be well known by now.  If this evidence exists, why
> aren't you providing it?

Try opening your eyes to the many examples of specified complexity
that abounds  , then dont try to pretend it 'just happened to be that
way'  .  Be a serious diligent seeker of the truth and get a book
called 'Creation'  by Grant Jeffries at www.amazon.com   for $.01
used plus shipping .  The evidence in nature and the cosmos is
incredible  in this book.  If you arent convinced after going thru
this book, then you want atheism to be true for personal philosophical
benefits  and not because of scientific validity.  Enjoy the book then
email me.

On 1/21/2012 1:48 PM, IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 21, 3:34 pm, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 1/21/2012 1:31 PM, IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 21, 1:11 am, SkyEyes<skyey...@cox.net>    wrote:
>>>> On Jan 19, 4:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>    wrote:
>>
>>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>>>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>
>>>> The nonexistent kind?
>>
>>> No, the existent kind which atheists have gross misconceptions about ,
>>> blame, and pretend isnt necessary.
>>
>> The misconception that there has never been a single solitary shred of
>> objective evidence ever provided for it?  Not a misconception at all.
>> There isn't any objective evidence.
>>
>> If there were, it'd be well known by now.  If this evidence exists, why
>> aren't you providing it?
>
> Try opening your eyes to the many examples of specified complexity
> that abounds

For example?

>  , then dont try to pretend it 'just happened to be that
> way'  .  Be a serious diligent seeker of the truth and get a book
> called 'Creation'  by Grant Jeffries at www.amazon.com   for $.01
> used plus shipping .

How about you just tell me here?

felix_unger <me@nothere.com> wrote in news:9nrmmcFhvkU1@mid.individual.net:

> 
> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by 
> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the 
> laws and vagaries of nature?
> 

If you have a better plan, go ahead and implement it.

-- 
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

"IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1a7587a3-3c40-4fa7-9bac-7bf40d90fb0f@m11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com: 

> On Jan 21, 9:40�am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:a2c54e58-5d2b-40 
> 0f-a2c9-2875cd3d3a8a@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 19, 5:18�pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> >> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only
>> >> by killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject
>> >> to the laws and vagaries of nature?
>>
>> >> --
>> >> rgds,
>>
>> >> Pete
>> >> -------
>> >> �If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�
>>
>> >> "Dumping the Gillard/Brown Government is the 'greatest moral
>> >> imperative o
>> > f our time'"
>>
>> >> "Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor,
>> >> becaus
>> > e they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting
>> > Labor governments"
>>
>> >> "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average
>> >> temperat
>> > ure of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years,
>> > perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate
>> > Commissioner 
>>
>> >> "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of
>> >> perhap
>> > s US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of
>> > scientists worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected
>> > that is distinct from natural variation" - Bob Carter, Research
>> > Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
>>
>> >> Labors Debt: what will it cost YOU!
>> >> ..http://tinyurl.com/Labors-debt 
>>
>> >> The Working with Children check is a joke!
>> >> ..http://tinyurl.com/insane-vc
>> > at
>> >> Our Kids at Risk! .. �http://tinyurl.com/crims-work-with-kids
>>
>> > Your premise is faulty making the rest of your post void. �God made
>> > the world PERFECT
>>
>> � � So why did flood it in order to wipe out all his
>> "imperfect" creations?
> 
> Because  the people wanted all kinds of perverted living , were
> vile ,  didnt want God , wanted to live as they liked...namely
> immorally ,   and cursed God all the time.  


  How many "innocent unborn" died? How many infant
and children? How many animals who did nothing to 
offend your god?

 

"IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote in
news:31a91ff7-22ce-42ef-8c69-801781dbacd9@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com: 

> On Jan 21, 10:38�am, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/21/2012 9:41 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:>
>> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeb 
> a...@gmail.com> �wrote in
>> >news:776af950-ffdf-4c07-8ab7-eaac9a63d622@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com
>> >: 
>>
>> >> SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
>>
>> > Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into
>> > the midst of Egypt. And all the firstborn in the land of
>> > Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth
>> > upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant
>> > that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
>> > Exodus 11:4
>>
>> That was after Biblegod "hardened" the Pharaoh's heart several times
>> so Pharaoh didn't have a choice. Then Biblegod murdered all the
>> children and killed the firstborn animals as punishment.
>>
>> What kind of god commits such horrific acts!
> 
> Here ya go my friend >>>>>
> http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html 
> 


 Another Christian who cannot explain his "merciful" god

"IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2107b39d-4a55-4c8b-b8f5-a286e589c806@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com: 

> On Jan 21, 9:41�am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:776af950-ffdf-4c 
> 07-8ab7-eaac9a63d622@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
>>
>> Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into
>> the midst of Egypt. And all the firstborn in the land of
>> Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth
>> upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant
>> that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
>> Exodus 11:4
> 
> Here you go  >>> 
> http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html 
> 


    Cannot explain your faith in your own words?

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:44:34 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
<ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 21, 3:16�pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:12:22 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"
>>
>> <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jan 19, 5:18�pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> >> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>> >> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>> >> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>
>> >> --
>> >> rgds,
>>
>> >> Pete
>>
>> >Your premise is faulty making the rest of your post void. �God made
>> >the world PERFECT , and it was the effects of mankinds sin that make
>> >it far less than perfect. � WE are to blame, not God our incredible
>> >and wonderful Creator .
>>
>> So God created everything but is responsible for nothing?
>> What kind of God allows a world where living things survive only by
>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>
>In the beginning, God made a totally PERFECT world and there was no
>bloodshed , no fighing,  and the Lion layed down with the Lamb in
>harmony.   When Man decided to be his own god  by disobeying his own
>Creator,  it threw the world into a chaotic state of natural
>disasters, death, suffering,  etc...just as we have today.

Was God unable to prevent that?

>He will one day, restore the Earth to how it used to be just like he gave
>mankind the opportunity to be restored and reconciled back to himself
>thru the death offering of Jesus Christ , his Son.

Why doesn't God fix things instantly?
Why did God allow things to be as they are?

>For all who want
>it anyway ;  the wise person accepts this free undeserved gift to have
>all sins forgiven instead of pretending God isnt required, needed,  or
>honored.

You make it sound like a protection racket.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket

>Thats what Fools do all their life., then they are very
>regretful for eternity and without any hope of it every changing for
>themselves.   Choose the wise way  instead of the 'atheist' way.

What do you get out of this?

>Peace.

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

In article 
<a19d2164-cbf5-4c75-a0a9-27e55267694c@h3g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
 "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 3:16�pm, Barry OGrady <athe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:12:22 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"
> >
> > <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Jan 19, 5:18�pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> > >> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> > >> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> > >> laws and vagaries of nature?
> >
> > >> --
> > >> rgds,
> >
> > >> Pete
> >
> > >Your premise is faulty making the rest of your post void. �God made
> > >the world PERFECT , and it was the effects of mankinds sin that make
> > >it far less than perfect. � WE are to blame, not God our incredible
> > >and wonderful Creator .
> >
> > So God created everything but is responsible for nothing?
> > What kind of God allows a world where living things survive only by
> > killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> > laws and vagaries of nature?
> >
> > =-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
> > God is a spirit. 0% proof!
> 
> In the beginning, God made a totally PERFECT world and there was no
> bloodshed , no fighing,  and the Lion layed down with the Lamb in
> harmony.

But only the lion got up. 

The evidence is that the rule was that one species ate another eons 
before there were any humans around to interfere with anything.

In article 
<31a91ff7-22ce-42ef-8c69-801781dbacd9@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
 "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 10:38�am, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/21/2012 9:41 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:> 
> > "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"<ilbeba...@gmail.com> �wrote in
> > >news:776af950-ffdf-4c07-8ab7-eaac9a63d622@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > >> SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
> >
> > > Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into
> > > the midst of Egypt. And all the firstborn in the land of
> > > Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth
> > > upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant
> > > that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
> > > Exodus 11:4
> >
> > That was after Biblegod "hardened" the Pharaoh's heart several times so
> > Pharaoh didn't have a choice. Then Biblegod murdered all the children
> > and killed the firstborn animals as punishment.
> >
> > What kind of god commits such horrific acts!
> 
The bible has all those bloody stories in it.

In article 
<2107b39d-4a55-4c8b-b8f5-a286e589c806@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
 "IlBeBauck@gmail.com" <ilbebauck@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 21, 9:41�am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote 
> > innews:776af950-ffdf-4c07-8ab7-eaac9a63d622@e3g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >
> >
> > > SPEND SOME TIME HERE to get the real truth about God :
> >
> > Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into
> > the midst of Egypt. And all the firstborn in the land of
> > Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth
> > upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant
> > that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
> > Exodus 11:4
> 
> Here you go:
  The bible says its so!

On Jan 21, 2:21 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 6:30 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
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> > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:25:51 +1100, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
>
> >>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a écrit :
> >>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>
> >>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
> >>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
> >>>> there any happy atheists?
> >>> I am.
>
> >>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
> >>> "gods".
>
> >>> Anything else is up for grabs.
>
> >>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>
> >> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
> >> atheism is a belief
> > Your wishful thinking won't change the fact that humans are machines.
>
> Biological 'machines' yes. but machines can only function according to
> their design and purpose. humans are much more than that.


Not *really*.  We function according to our evolutionary design and
"purpose," too.  Free will is an illusion.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

On Jan 21, 4:30 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 10:30 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
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> >> On 21-January-2012 6:30 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:25:51 +1100, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
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> >>>> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
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> >>>>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a écrit :
> >>>>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
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> >>>>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
> >>>>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
> >>>>>> there any happy atheists?
> >>>>> I am.
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> >>>>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
> >>>>> "gods".
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> >>>>> Anything else is up for grabs.
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> >>>>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
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> >>>> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
> >>>> atheism is a belief
> >>> Your wishful thinking won't change the fact that humans are machines.
> >> Biological 'machines' yes. but machines can only function according to
> >> their design and purpose. humans are much more than that.
> > You may think so, but even the brain is a machine.
> > If the brain is damaged or even a temporary chemical imbalance
> > can cause the person to change completely.
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> Yes but when we are functional we function at a much higher level than
> other mammals- unless of course you think a dog or cat could paint a
> mona lisa or design spacecraft!

Since dogs and cats do not have opposable thumbs, we don't really know
*what* they are capable of mentally.  Same goes for chimps, dolphins,
elephants, and several bird species like the parrots and the corvids.

Humans don't *necessarily* have better software; we have a unique set
of hardware - opposable thumbs and a throat formed for speech.  Give
those to other species, and you'd be *real* surprised.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

On Jan 21, 2:22 am, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 21-January-2012 6:33 PM, Olrik wrote:
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> > Le 2012-01-21 02:25, felix_unger a écrit :
> >> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
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> >>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a écrit :
> >>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
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> >>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
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> >>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
> >>>> there any happy atheists?
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> >>> I am.
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> >>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
> >>> "gods".
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> >>> Anything else is up for grabs.
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> >>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
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> >> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
> >> atheism is a belief
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> > You know it's not. Because that would lead you to actually believe in
> > the non existence of Zeus, Thor, and thousands of other gods.
>
> I do!


Oy.  Just...oy.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

On Jan 21, 5:26 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 22-January-2012 6:23 AM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
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> > On Jan 21, 1:30 am, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
> >> On 21-January-2012 6:50 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
> >>> On Jan 20, 11:23 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>   wrote:
> >>>> On 21-January-2012 6:07 PM, DanielSan wrote:
> >>>>> On 1/20/2012 10:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> >>>>>> On 21-January-2012 4:23 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jan 19, 3:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>   wrote:
> >>>>>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
> >>>>>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
> >>>>>>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
> >>>>>>> A total screw-up?
> >>>>>>> Your question reminds me of this poem:
> >>>>>>>http://www.atheists.net/images/fufather.jpg
> >>>>>> hmmm. I have to wonder tho why atheism is so typically undignified.
> >>>>> Atheism?  Or some atheists?
> >>>> Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this sort of
> >>>> undignified religion/christian bashing
> >>> I found one (and it even supports IPv6)
> >> what's that?
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> >>> :  http://www.atheistfrontier.com/
> >> lol! there's nothing there, that's why.. "This web site will be ready at
> >> some point in the future"
> > That site disproves your statement while also matching the criteria,
> > which was:  "Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this
> > sort of undignified religion/christian bashing."
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> Don't be silly!

If you think the facts are silly, that's fine, but they're still
facts.

What's also interesting is that you're not denying the facts this
time, despite your assertion that I'm being silly.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without
evidence."
   -- Christopher Hitchens

On Jan 21, 6:37 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 22-January-2012 5:28 AM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:

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> > On Jan 21, 1:25 am, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
> >> On 21-January-2012 6:47 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
> >>> On Jan 20, 11:25 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>   wrote:
> >>>> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
> >>>>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a écrit :
> >>>>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
> >>>>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
> >>>>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
> >>>>>> there any happy atheists?
> >>>>> I am.
> >>>>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
> >>>>> "gods".
> >>>>> Anything else is up for grabs.
> >>>>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
> >>>> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
> >>>> atheism is a belief
> >>> There is no evidence for such a causality.  Behaviours are not
> >>> dependent on beliefs.
> >> Of course they are. you believe that if you put your hand in a fire
> >> you'll get burnt, don't you?
> > I don't need to believe it -- I know it to be a fact based on
> > observation and logic.  (I learned the easy way...)
>
> yes, but nevertheless you believe what you know is true. what if you saw
> someone put their hand in a fire and not get burnt? that would then
> change what you 'know' about the effect of fire on human tissue, so you
> would then have only a belief that is questionable.

The mind is a powerful thing.  When I lived in Kalifornya, I did the
"fire-walking" thing.  It's mind over matter, sure, but that doesn't
prove there's any kind of alternate reality.

Nobody on alt.atheism cares about what is "true," because everybody
and his Aunt Mabel has a different version of "truth."  We care, by
and large, about what is *factual*.
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> > For people experiencing fire for the first time, as they get closer to
> > the flames, they observe an increase in temperature and learn that it
> > is a heat source.  As they get even closer, where the temperature is
> > higher, they begin to feel pain.  This observation of pain is a
> > logical survival mechanism that both humans and animals have, which
> > leads to an immediate understanding that getting closer to the fire
> > causes increases in the level of pain (this is called "learning the
> > easy way"), yet for those of us who doubt or ignore these
> > observations, and choose to continue approaching closer to the fire,
> > the pain eventually increases to levels resulting from actually
> > getting burned (this is called "learning the hard way").  In the end,
> > people and animals alike learn from their first direct encounter with
> > fire, not only that it is a source of heat, but that it can also be a
> > source of pain if the proximity is minimized beyond a sensible limit
> > (if ever there are any doubts about the knowledge the fire can burn,
> > it's very easy to re-test by getting closer to a fire).
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> > An example of fallacious belief, with regard to fire, is that fire is
> > somehow alive or can provide a glimpse into "the spirit world."
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> How do you know it's a fallacious belief? some ppl might be able to gain
> some spiritual insights by gazing into a fire. you cannot know that
> there are no supernatural realities.

While acknowledging that fire is one of those things, like virii, that
are on the continuum of not alive --> alive, I don't think it provides
an insight into "supernatural realities."
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> > Belief comes into play when an idea is presented and the audience
> > accepts it as fact without attempting to verify its authenticity or
> > accuracy.  What I just presented above regarding fire is very easy to
> > verify by experimenting -- although I strongly recommend against
> > experimenting with fire because it's dangerous, which is also
> > evidenced by the fact that all civilized nations have fire departments
> > with trained professionals called "fire fighters" who understand
> > clearly the dangers of fire and have knowledge and experience in
> > handling and controlling it.  Fire departments are also a fantastic
> > example of how the human species has progressed from our initial
> > understanding of fire to the point of having specialists with detailed
> > knowledge that aids in our continued survival.
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> fascinating! you do realize I'm more than six years old.

Hard to visualize.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

On 22-January-2012 4:37 PM, SkyEyes wrote:

> On Jan 21, 2:21 am, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>> On 21-January-2012 6:30 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
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>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:25:51 +1100, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>>>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a �crit :
>>>>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>>>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>>>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>>>>>> there any happy atheists?
>>>>> I am.
>>>>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
>>>>> "gods".
>>>>> Anything else is up for grabs.
>>>>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>>>> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
>>>> atheism is a belief
>>> Your wishful thinking won't change the fact that humans are machines.
>> Biological 'machines' yes. but machines can only function according to
>> their design and purpose. humans are much more than that.
>
> Not *really*.  We function according to our evolutionary design and
> "purpose," too.  Free will is an illusion.

How so?

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> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>


-- 
rgds,

Pete
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�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

On 22-January-2012 4:40 PM, SkyEyes wrote:

> On Jan 21, 4:30 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>> On 21-January-2012 10:30 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:21:31 +1100, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 21-January-2012 6:30 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:25:51 +1100, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a �crit :
>>>>>>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>>>>>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
>>>>>>>> there any happy atheists?
>>>>>>> I am.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
>>>>>>> "gods".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anything else is up for grabs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, and
>>>>>> atheism is a belief
>>>>> Your wishful thinking won't change the fact that humans are machines.
>>>> Biological 'machines' yes. but machines can only function according to
>>>> their design and purpose. humans are much more than that.
>>> You may think so, but even the brain is a machine.
>>> If the brain is damaged or even a temporary chemical imbalance
>>> can cause the person to change completely.
>> Yes but when we are functional we function at a much higher level than
>> other mammals- unless of course you think a dog or cat could paint a
>> mona lisa or design spacecraft!
> Since dogs and cats do not have opposable thumbs, we don't really know
> *what* they are capable of mentally.  Same goes for chimps, dolphins,
> elephants, and several bird species like the parrots and the corvids.
>
> Humans don't *necessarily* have better software; we have a unique set
> of hardware - opposable thumbs and a throat formed for speech.  Give
> those to other species, and you'd be *real* surprised.

absolute nonsense

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> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com


-- 
rgds,

Pete
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�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

On 22-January-2012 4:45 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
> On Jan 21, 5:26 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>> On 22-January-2012 6:23 AM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
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>>> On Jan 21, 1:30 am, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>   wrote:
>>>> On 21-January-2012 6:50 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 20, 11:23 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>    wrote:
>>>>>> On 21-January-2012 6:07 PM, DanielSan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/20/2012 10:27 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21-January-2012 4:23 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 3:18 pm, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What kind of God creates a world where living things survive only by
>>>>>>>>>> killing something else, and the survival of all life is subject to the
>>>>>>>>>> laws and vagaries of nature?
>>>>>>>>> A total screw-up?
>>>>>>>>> Your question reminds me of this poem:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.atheists.net/images/fufather.jpg
>>>>>>>> hmmm. I have to wonder tho why atheism is so typically undignified.
>>>>>>> Atheism?  Or some atheists?
>>>>>> Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this sort of
>>>>>> undignified religion/christian bashing
>>>>> I found one (and it even supports IPv6)
>>>> what's that?
>>>>
>>>>> :  http://www.atheistfrontier.com/
>>>> lol! there's nothing there, that's why.. "This web site will be ready at
>>>> some point in the future"
>>> That site disproves your statement while also matching the criteria,
>>> which was:  "Atheists. you won't find any atheist sites without this
>>> sort of undignified religion/christian bashing."
>> Don't be silly!
> If you think the facts are silly, that's fine, but they're still
> facts.
>
> What's also interesting is that you're not denying the facts this
> time, despite your assertion that I'm being silly.

I didn't say the facts were silly, I said you're being silly. It would 
have been obvious to any sensible person that I was referring to 
functioning websites. If you want to engage in this silly manner, then 
consider this our last engagement..

>
> --
> Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
> "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without
> evidence."
>     -- Christopher Hitchens


-- 
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

On 22-January-2012 5:35 PM, felix_unger wrote:

> On 22-January-2012 4:37 PM, SkyEyes wrote:
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>> On Jan 21, 2:21 am, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>  wrote:
>>> On 21-January-2012 6:30 PM, Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>
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>>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:25:51 +1100, felix_unger<m...@nothere.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a �crit :
>>>>>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
>>>>>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
>>>>>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against 
>>>>>>> atheism. are
>>>>>>> there any happy atheists?
>>>>>> I am.
>>>>>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
>>>>>> "gods".
>>>>>> Anything else is up for grabs.
>>>>>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
>>>>> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our 
>>>>> behaviour, and
>>>>> atheism is a belief
>>>> Your wishful thinking won't change the fact that humans are machines.
>>> Biological 'machines' yes. but machines can only function according to
>>> their design and purpose. humans are much more than that.
>>
>> Not *really*.  We function according to our evolutionary design and
>> "purpose," too.  Free will is an illusion.
>
> How so?
>

On second thoughts don't bother replying. after reading the rest of your 
posts, it's rather obvious that you're.. well.. a little bit screwy.

>>
>> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>>
>
>


-- 
rgds,

Pete
-------
�If Julia is the answer, then what was the stupid question?!�

"Julia finally got something right. Older people don't vote Labor, because they have seen too many incompetent, mismanaging, money-wasting Labor governments"

"I regard the prime minister to be in breach of the written agreement she signed, leaving me no option but to honour my word and end my current relationship with her government. We should be able to trust our politicians to keep their word. Frankly a deal is a deal" - Andrew Wilkie, Federal Member for Denison

�All that's needed now is a small miracle to rid us of the worst prime minister and the worst government in Australia's history�

  "If the WORLD as a whole cut ALL emissions tomorrow, the average temperature of the planet's not going to drop for several hundred years, perhaps over on thousand years" - Tim Flannery, Climate Commissioner

"felix_unger"  wrote

> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour, 
> and atheism is a belief

You're kidding aren't you Pete?
Believing in the Tooth Fairy is a belief. You think not believing in 
the tooth fairy is also a belief?

Theo 

On Jan 21, 5:48 pm, felix_unger <m...@nothere.com> wrote:
> On 22-January-2012 12:28 PM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
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> >> On 22-January-2012 5:44 AM, Fidem Turbare, atheist goddess wrote:
> >>> On Jan 21, 1:41 am, DanielSan<danielsan1...@gmail.com>   wrote:
> >>>> On 1/21/2012 1:36 AM, felix_unger wrote:
> >>>>> On 21-January-2012 7:28 PM, DanielSan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1/20/2012 11:25 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 21-January-2012 6:10 PM, Olrik wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Le 2012-01-21 02:01, felix_unger a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>> On 21-January-2012 5:56 PM, NEMO wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> _ G O D _ the COck-sucking retard!
> >>>>>>>>> atheists themselves are one of the best arguments against atheism. are
> >>>>>>>>> there any happy atheists?
> >>>>>>>> I am.
> >>>>>>>> Besides, all atheists share is the lack of beliefs in some "god" or
> >>>>>>>> "gods".
> >>>>>>>> Anything else is up for grabs.
> >>>>>>>> You should know that by now, felix_unger.
> >>>>>>> nope. humans are not machines. our beliefs determine our behaviour,
> >>>>>> Yep.
> >>>>>>> and atheism is a belief
> >>>>>> Atheism is not a belief. Atheists themselves have wide and varying
> >>>>>> beliefs, however, just like those that don't collect stamps have wide
> >>>>>> and varying beliefs.
> >>>>> well you got one out of two right
> >>>> Nope.  Two out of two.  Atheism is no more a belief than not collecting
> >>>> stamps is a hobby.
> >>> Beautiful clarity!  That's the best metaphor I've ever seen regarding
> >>> the definition of atheism.  I'm going to be quoting you from time-to-
> >>> time on that one.
> >> LOL! Daniel, you have fan!
> > Is it getting hot in here?
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> don't give up your day job..!

I don't exist, yet you think I have a day job?

> >> Daniel just follows atheist 'scripts'. He doesn't think for himself.
> >> when faced with arguments for which he hasn't a 'stock' answer he just
> >> snips and runs away.
> > That has not been my observation.
>
> You need to be more observant then. check the exchanges between him and
> fasgnadh in alt.atheism
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> >   In fact, being an atheist flies
> > smack in the face of your ad hominem sentiments there.

There are way too many messages for it to be a reasonable expectation
that I check for evidence you claim is there.  Plus you're the one
making the claim, so the burden is yours to provide the evidence.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Religion is the original war crime."
   -- Michelle Malkin (2005)