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Casey wrote:
> 
>      An Evolutionist Becomes a Creationist
>     (Please watch for updated versions of this poster)
>      Roger Oakland a former evolutionist turned creationist will be doing a
> lecture tour through the province of Manitoba from November 13 through
> November 23.   His tour will start in Virden and end in Morden with several
> lectures being given in Winnipeg and area (See schedule below).
> 
>      He is a former biology instructor who taught first and second year
> students at the University of Saskatchewan.  He believed and taught the
> foundational beliefs of evolution.    Tragedy struck his home as a young
> married man and the scientific realities of that tragedy changed his life
> and transformed his understanding.

What was that tragedy?

Alvaro

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Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, 
streams of living water will flow from within him." John 7:38

On 11 Nov 1998 05:21:47 GMT, "Casey" <casem@pangea.ca> wrote:

>     An Evolutionist Becomes a Creationist
>    (Please watch for updated versions of this poster)
>     Roger Oakland a former evolutionist turned creationist will be doing a

Science doesn't depend on the opinion of any one person.

>lecture tour through the province of Manitoba from November 13 through 
>November 23.   His tour will start in Virden and end in Morden with several
>lectures being given in Winnipeg and area (See schedule below).
>
>     He is a former biology instructor who taught first and second year
>students at the University of Saskatchewan.  He believed and taught the
>foundational beliefs of evolution.    Tragedy struck his home as a young
>married man and the scientific realities of that tragedy changed his life
>and transformed his understanding.
>
>     For the last 20 years Roger Oakland  has spoken in numerous churches,
>conferences, universities, and educational facilities in over 35 countries.
> He is a lecturer, author, and founder of an internationally -recognized
>ministry called Understand the Times.
>    
>     He has been a guest speaker at the Goddard Space Institute in
>Washington, D.C. to over 500 NASA engineers and scientists.   Another
>unique engagement found him lecturing to Russia's Institute for Science and
>Atheism in Moscow.    He was involved in the CBS nationally televised
>documentary series "Ancient Mysteries of the Bible."

Sun Pictures and the Noah's Ark Hoax 
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ark-hoax.html

        An in-depth report and analysis of behind-the-scenes goings-on
in the 1993 airing of Sun International Pictures' The Incredible
Discovery of Noah's Ark on CBS. Sun's shoddy research techniques are
exposed. 

   Information about the NBC Television Show "The Mysterious Origins
of Man" 
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom.html

        On Sunday February 25th, 1996, NBC broadcast "The Mysterious
Origins of Man," narrated by Charlton Heston, purporting to be a
documentary about scientific evidence that would overturn currently
accepted theories of human history. In fact, it was little more than a
pseudo-scientific propaganda piece with large contributions by people
affiliated with the Krishna Consciousness movement. 

> 
>   " Since 1990, Roger Oakland has traveled and lectured extensively
>throughout Russia and other republics of the former Soviet Union.  His
>creationist message presented by his books, videos and lectures is not only
>scientifically correct, it is also easily understood by both scientists and
>lay persons.   In my country, which has been brainwashed for over seventy
>years by Marxist atheistic philosophy,  Roger Oakland's message is vitally
>important in order to point people to God's existence."
>                     Dimitri A. Kouznetsov, Ph.D., D.Sc. 

Creationist Dmitri Kouznetsov: Scientist? 
        Moran discusses creationist Dmitri Kouznetsov's lack of
understanding of even the most basic biological concepts, while Trott
examines Kouznetsov's use of questionable citations. 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kouznetsov.html       
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/creation-conference.html
           
>                      Chairman,                                            
>                                         Moscow Creation Science Fellowship
> 
>
>    "[He] has a uniquely important message.   He is an authority on the
>"New Age Movement" and its dangers and, in addition, presents all his
>materials in a sound context of scientific Biblical Creationism.  His
>message is fascinating and relevant, as well as biblically sound."
>                    Henry M. Morris

Cretinism or Evilution?: Henry Morris on Other Planets 
        Cretinism or Evilution? No. 2 Edited by. E.T. Babinski. Henry
Morris on Other Planets. Previous. Contents.
        Next. Henry Morris on the existence of other planets circling
distant stars. As far as distant stars and galaxies are concerned,
there is no evidence either in science or Scripture, that any of them
....
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   2. Creationism Implies Racism? 
        A number of creationists have stated that evolutionary theory
leads logically to racism. This brief article discusses aspects of
leading ICR creationist Henry Morris's own beliefs that appear to be
racist. Also included is a summary analysis of the racism-creationism
connection by Tom McIver. 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/racism.html - size 15,657
bytes - 10/16/98 6:25:46 PM GMT 

   3. Review of ICR Impact Article 151 
        Introduction. Background. Review of the Impact article. Review
of the Impact Article Drawings. Significance  of Elongate Dinosaur
Tracks and Important Facts Omitted from the Impact Article.
Conclusions. Notes.
        Review of ICR Impact Article 151 Copyright � 1986 by. Glen J.
Kuban. This article is being mirrored from. 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/sor-ipub.html - size
38,846 bytes - 5/23/98 7:04:13 PM GMT 

   4. Retracking Those Incredible Man Tracks 
        Retracking Those Incredible Man Tracks Copyright � 1989 by.
Glen J. Kuban. This article is being mirrored from.
http:members.aol.com/Paluxy2/retrack.htm. Originally published in NCSE
Reports, Vol. 9, No. 4, 1989,
        Special Section Despite partial backtracking on the Paluxy
"man track" claims by creationis 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/retrack.html - size
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   5. Cretinism or Evilution?: The "Center of God's Interest" 
        Cretinism or Evilution? No. 2 Edited by. E.T. Babinski. The
"Center of God's Interest". Previous. Contents.
        Next. Is the Earth the "center of God's interest" with the
rest of the cosmos providing various essential services for the Earth
and its inhabitants?It is easy to see why "creation scientists" do not
......
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http://www.talkorigins.org/scripts/search/query.idq?Cmd=morris&Where=FAQs

>                    President Emeritus, Institute for                   
>Creation Research
>
>     Currently, he and Dr. Duane Gish (of the Institute for Creation

1. Creationist Arguments: Duane Gish and Wadjak Man 
        Creationist Arguments: Duane Gish and Wadjak Man. References.
It is perhaps worth examining the history of  Duane Gish's claims on.
Wadjak Man. in some detail. Gish originally claimed, in his first book
on the fossil record, that "Dubois concealed the fact that he had also
discovered at nearby Wadjak and at approximat 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/gishwadjak.html - size
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   2. Java Man and Turkana Boy 
        Java Man and Turkana Boy. References. The first photo is of
the Java Man skullcap. Most creationists  consider this an ape,
including Gish (1993) who says: "Now we can see the skullcap is very
apelike. Notice that it has no forehead, it's very flat, very typical
of the ape. Notice the massive eyebrow ridges, very 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/java15000.html - size
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   3. Duane Gish and Creationism at Rutgers: Trott Rebuts Gish 
        This exchance between Richard Trott and Duane Gish of the
Institute for Creation Research appeared in a student newspaper at
Rutgers University. 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/gish-rutgers/spin-doctor.html
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   4. Debating the ICR's Duane Gish 
        Richard Trott gives some advice to people who are considering
debating the Institute for Creation Research's most prominent debator,
Dr. Duane Gish. 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debating/gish.html - size
12,336 bytes - 9/16/97 8:04:43 PM GMT 

   5. Duane Gish and Creationism at Rutgers: Trott Critiques Gish 
        This exchance between Richard Trott and Duane Gish of the
Institute for Creation Research appeared in a student newspaper at
Rutgers University. 
        http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/gish-rutgers.html - size
13,003 bytes - 7/15/98 10:47:13 PM GMT 

http://www.talkorigins.org/scripts/search/query.idq?Cmd=gish&Where=FAQs

>Research)  are in the process of developing a curriculum on the subject of
>origins for Russian schools by request of the Russian Department of
>Education.  
>
>
>Creation Tour Schedule of Events
>
>November 13: Virden Christian Alliance Church
>             Contact Bertha Penner @ 748- 2492, Virden
>             Eugene Enns @ 855-2247, Oaklake
>             Art Neufeld @ 556-2334, Kola                           
>
>November 14: Winnipeg
>                         Home School Morning Conference
>                         Maranatha Evangelical Free Church
>910Sturgeon Road, Winnipeg
>9:00 a.m. to 11:45 a.m.
>
>November 14: New Life Baptist Church, Stonewall
>                     2:00 to 4:00 p.m.
>                    Contact Rev. Henry Ozirney @ 467-5529
>
>
>
>November 15: Oakbank Baptist Church
>                         Oakbank
>                         Sunday School and AM Service
>                         Contact Rev. Doug Bittle @ 444- 3348
>
>November 15: Calvary Temple, Winnipeg
>                         Evening Service
>
>November 16: Confirmed!!!!
>                         Faith Baptist Church
>                         437 Matheson, Ave. , Winnipeg
>                         7: 00 p.m.
>                         Contact Geoff Casey @ 582-7245
>                                      E-mail: casem@pangea.ca
>
>
>November 17 and 18: Oakbank Baptist Church at 7:00 p.m. service each night
>
>November 19 :  Christian School Conference,                            
>Winnipeg
>                           Maranatha Evangelical Free Church
>                           910 Sturgeon Road, Winnipeg
>                           9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
>                           Contact Terry Lewis @ 654-0530
>                          (Details of this conference will be              
>            posted later)
>
>November 20 Through 23: In Morden at the Morden Recreation Complex
>                        7:30 p.m. each day.
>                       Co-hosted by : The Christian                       
>Programme Committee
>                       Contact: Ed Elias @ 822-6555 or 822-4171
>
>In addition, Roger Oakland and Terry Lewis will be ministering in Public
>School classrooms, on TV "It's a New Day," on radio talk shows, and meeting
>with government officials.     They will also be at Providence Seminary.
>
>
>Manitoba Tour sponsored by Christians Influencing Christians ( except where
>otherwise indicated)
>Contact Terry Lewis @ 654- 0530            Fax: 654-0532
>
>This poster put up by Geoff Casey : e-mail: casem@pangea.ca 

Talk Origins Archive FAQ
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html

Suspicious Creationist Credentials FAQ
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html

Talk.Origins Archive's Creationism FAQs
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-creationists.html

Jehovah's Witnesses and Evolution
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jw-evolution.html

"Often a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the
      heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and
      orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances,...  and
      this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and
      experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an
      unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things,
      claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should
      do all that we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, lest
      the unbeliever see only ignorance in the Christian and laugh to
      scorn."

            -- St. Augustine, "De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim" 
            (The Literal Meaning of Genesis)


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"Science is the true theology" -- Thomas Paine 
(as quoted in Emerson: The Mind on Fire page 153)
"The Age of Paine" by Jon Katz
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.05/paine.html
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"Casey" <casem@pangea.ca> wrote:

<snip>
>     For the last 20 years Roger Oakland  has spoken in numerous churches,
>conferences, universities, and educational facilities in over 35 countries.
> He is a lecturer, author, and founder of an internationally -recognized
>ministry called Understand the Times.
<snip>

What's his annual income from this racket?
If it's lucrative, I might try this medicine show circuit myself.



Jeff/addesign a.a #1063
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Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum--Lucretius, 1st c. BC
"So vast is the sum of the iniquities that religion has induced."
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In article <3649F6AC.FCAB0025@altavista.net>, alvaro_v@altavista.net 
says...
> Casey wrote:
> > 
> >      An Evolutionist Becomes a Creationist
> >     (Please watch for updated versions of this poster)
> >      Roger Oakland a former evolutionist turned creationist will be doing a
> > lecture tour through the province of Manitoba from November 13 through
> > November 23.   His tour will start in Virden and end in Morden with several
> > lectures being given in Winnipeg and area (See schedule below).
> > 
> >      He is a former biology instructor who taught first and second year
> > students at the University of Saskatchewan.  He believed and taught the
> > foundational beliefs of evolution.    Tragedy struck his home as a young
> > married man and the scientific realities of that tragedy changed his life
> > and transformed his understanding.
> 
> What was that tragedy?

A frontal lobotomy, perhaps?

> Alvaro
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, 
> streams of living water will flow from within him." John 7:38

--
John Drayton

Casey wrote:

>      An Evolutionist Becomes a Creationist
>     (Please watch for updated versions of this poster)
>      Roger Oakland a former evolutionist turned creationist will be doing a
> lecture tour through the province of Manitoba from November 13 through
> November 23.   His tour will start in Virden and end in Morden with several
> lectures being given in Winnipeg and area (See schedule below).
>

How many more times are you going to spam us with this shit?

>    *snip*

            -mike

John,   Your comment is quite out of place.

Geoff

John Drayton <JDrayton@alphalink.com.au.deleteme> wrote in article
<MPG.10b5220e199b5e0e989682@news.citicomp.com.au>...
> In article <3649F6AC.FCAB0025@altavista.net>, alvaro_v@altavista.net 
> says...
> > Casey wrote:
> > > 
> > >      An Evolutionist Becomes a Creationist
> > >     (Please watch for updated versions of this poster)
> > >      Roger Oakland a former evolutionist turned creationist will be
doing a
> > > lecture tour through the province of Manitoba from November 13
through
> > > November 23.   His tour will start in Virden and end in Morden with
several
> > > lectures being given in Winnipeg and area (See schedule below).
> > > 
> > >      He is a former biology instructor who taught first and second
year
> > > students at the University of Saskatchewan.  He believed and taught
the
> > > foundational beliefs of evolution.    Tragedy struck his home as a
young
> > > married man and the scientific realities of that tragedy changed his
life
> > > and transformed his understanding.
> > 
> > What was that tragedy?
> 
> A frontal lobotomy, perhaps?
> 
> > Alvaro
> > 
> >
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
> > Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, 
> > streams of living water will flow from within him." John 7:38
> 
> --
> John Drayton
> 

Jeff,
      Of course you can always try to discredit someone by supposing the
worst - without evidence.   Is this how your science works too?

Geoff

Jeff/addesign <adddesign@interaccess.com> wrote in article
<72dg5f$bme$1@supernews.com>...
> "Casey" <casem@pangea.ca> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> >     For the last 20 years Roger Oakland  has spoken in numerous
churches,
> >conferences, universities, and educational facilities in over 35
countries.
> > He is a lecturer, author, and founder of an internationally -recognized
> >ministry called Understand the Times.
> <snip>
> 
> What's his annual income from this racket?
> If it's lucrative, I might try this medicine show circuit myself.
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff/addesign a.a #1063
> ****************************************************************
> Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum--Lucretius, 1st c. BC
> "So vast is the sum of the iniquities that religion has induced."
> ****************************************************************
> 
> 

"Casey" <casem@pangea.ca> wrote:

>Jeff,
>      Of course you can always try to discredit someone by supposing the
>worst - without evidence.   Is this how your science works too?

I don't need to discredit him. By lecturing on creationism, he
discredits himself. Grow up. Creationism is nonsense, for those who
need to rationalize their fairy tale against reality. I have observed
enough religion and cult scam artists to know that it is a very
profitable business, praying on the gullible.

Oops, meant to say preying, but those who who lead prayer are usually
at prey.

\
Jeff/addesign a.a #1063
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Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum--Lucretius, 1st c. BC
"So vast is the sum of the iniquities that religion has induced."
****************************************************************

Well I guess now they've done it! ....



Human Cells ``Cloned'' Using Cow Eggs

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Scientists said Thursday they had used cloning technology
to fuse human and cow cells in an attempt to grow organs for transplant in a
laboratory dish.

The team at tiny biotech company Advanced Cell Technology said the cells had
grown as an embryo for a few days, then reverted to a primordial state known as
stem
cells, which are capable of growing into any kind of cell in the body.

Although they used the same method they used to clone cows, the scientists at
the privately held company, based in Worcester, Massachusetts, say they have no
intention of trying to create a human clone.

Instead, they want to try to grow organs and tissues in the lab for use in
transplantation therapy.

``We will not use this technology to clone human beings,'' Michael West,
president and chief executive officer of Advanced Cell Technology, vowed in a
statement.

The company has not submitted its research for the standard scientific ``peer
review'' process, when other experts check to make sure it is legitimate work.

First, they want to assess the public response, said James Robl, a professor of
animal science at the University of Massachusetts who helped found the company,
which
has licensed and patented the technology.

Otherwise, the company may end up sinking a lot of money into a project that the
public will not tolerate.

Reaction was fast and pronounced. ``This is the most extraordinary single
development in the history of biotechnology because it now suggests that we can
create new
human-animal species,'' Jeremy Rifkin, a writer on biotechnology issues, said in
a telephone interview.

``I don't think we should go ahead with research, around the world, until we
take some time to think about it.'' Calling the idea ``dangerous and chilling,''
Rifkin said he
would lobby Congress to pass a law against such experiments.

But Robl thinks the potential benefits outweigh any initial distaste people
might have for the idea of mixing human and animal cells.

``Embryonic stem cells hold the promise of providing an unlimited supply of
cells that may be grown in the laboratory into virtually any type of tissue for
transplant use,''
he said.

He foresees taking a few cells from a patient and growing them perhaps into
heart cells, for use in repairing a damaged heart, or brain cells for injection
into the
damaged brains of Parkinson's patients, or even into growing a whole organ such
as a liver.

Because the genetic material comes from the donor, there would be no problem of
rejection.

Robl's team took a human cell -- in this case a skin fibroblast cell -- and
fused it using an electrical current to a cow's egg that had its nucleus
removed.

The human nucleus, which contains all the genes that carry the ``road map'' for
building a functioning body, crossed into the hollowed-out cow egg. This process
started
the egg growing and dividing almost as if it had been fertilized by a sperm.

Although it started out looking like an embryo, it later became a mass of stem
cells.

Earlier this month a team at the University of Wisconsin at Madison said they
grew human stem cells from human embryos donated by infertile couples after
fertility
treatments.

On their own the cells differentiated into cartilage, bone, muscle and other
kinds of cells and are still growing in laboratory dishes.

Their study, funded by Geron Corp (Nasdaq:GERN - news), is farther down the road
than Robl's. But their cells would be foreign to the patient receiving them,
since
they contain the human genetic material from someone else. There would be the
problem of rejection just as there is now with donated organs.

Not so with cells cloned from the patient.

Robl says his human-cow hybrid cells -- made from cells donated by Jose Cibelli,
one of the scientists on the team -- died after a couple of weeks.

``If the cells get past this initial hump, then they theoretically would be like
normal human embryonic stem cells and can be used just as other human embryonic
stem
cells can be used,'' Robl said. He said eventually the human genes would take
over and only a very small amount of cow DNA would remain.

He thinks this approach might be more ethically acceptable than using human
embryos. Currently U.S. federal funds cannot be used to pay for such research.

Earlier Stories

     Clone Technology Could Grow Liver In A Dish -Study (November 12)


-----------------------
Your recent article on the use of non-human embryos for cloning points
out a major misunderstanding in the true nature of being a biological
human.

The assumption is that nucleus DNA is the only DNA in a human cell.
There are other components that are as important and are only inherited
from the mother's embryo, namely mitochondria DNA which is outside the
nucleus that carries out an important part in the chemical-energy
processes of every cell within us.
Also there has been recent discoveries that indicated that a human cell
has an unusual coating that seems to
be critical to neurons and may be the cause of our distinct higher
intelligence.

The Jewish religion believes that some bloodlines only pass through the
mother�s side.
Mitochondria DNA and other non-nucleus components are only inherited
from the mother embryo.

Therefore, a cloned human utilizing a non-human embryo will never be
100% human!

If we utilize a cow's embryo to mass-produce humans,
we will
again re-create the horrors of our past enslavement of our fellow man.

By pursuing this course of capitalistic manipulation of our very being,
we are dis-inheriting our right to live.

We must stand together and boycott all firms and governments condoning
such practices.


-vic


Jeff/addesign wrote:

> "Casey" <casem@pangea.ca> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >     For the last 20 years Roger Oakland  has spoken in numerous churches,
> >conferences, universities, and educational facilities in over 35 countries.
> > He is a lecturer, author, and founder of an internationally -recognized
> >ministry called Understand the Times.
> <snip>
>
> What's his annual income from this racket?
> If it's lucrative, I might try this medicine show circuit myself.
>
> Jeff/addesign a.a #1063
> ****************************************************************
> Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum--Lucretius, 1st c. BC
> "So vast is the sum of the iniquities that religion has induced."
> ****************************************************************