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Started by Tim Howard
Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:20
Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: Tim Howard
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:20
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:20
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Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things and bases his opinions on that. First of all there are many types of prenatal screening and they are done for a variety of reasons. Screening can also be done to diagnose high-risk pregnancies early so when the baby is born it can receive appropriate care. It can also be used to help take proper medical steps before the pregnancy. The screening can also determine if the pregnancy poses any danger to a woman who may have her own medical issues. Screening for birth defects or other conditions helps a woman to prepare emotionally, economically, etc, after the birth, not necessarily to make her want to abort. Most every pregnant woman I have known knew the sex of her baby before it was born; I never knew this was even an issue until just a few years ago when I started hearing about busybodies sticking their nose into this decision (and yes, in addition to religious conservatives, I have heard some liberals criticize so-called "selective births"). The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recommend testing, and invasive testing at that, for every pregnant woman--this is not a $%@#ing political issue. Why does the religious right and conservatives think it is there right to take over decisions for someone's at-conception fetus? They need to butt out!
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: Wayne
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:11
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:11
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"Tim Howard" <tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote in message news:4f41e5f4$0$12733$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net... > Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > and bases his opinions on that. - Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. Your bias doesn't allow you to actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental overreach, not prenatal care.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: IlBeBauck
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:57
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:57
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On Feb 20, 11:11 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote: > "Tim Howard" <tim.how...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > > news:4f41e5f4$0$12733$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > > always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > > and bases his opinions on that. > > - > Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. Your bias doesn't allow you to > actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental > overreach, not prenatal care. I agree with you. Santorum is by far the closest thing going to true Christian values and Id love to be respresented by his presidency . It would be almost like having a Founding Father running the Nation again , instead of psuedo-leaders who say they are for ALL Americans yet dont care about the developing Unborn Americans who deserve to walk the soil of America. I want a Leader who will rub the apathetic Sexual Hedonists up the wrong way by making abortion birth control / murder unavailable , while making adoption easier . This Halocaust has to end before Abortion Mills offer driveup service on 'Moms' lunch hour.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: Mr. K
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:15
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:15
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In article <jhtur9$vtk$1@dont-email.me>, "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote: > "Tim Howard" <tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > news:4f41e5f4$0$12733$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net... > > Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > > always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > > and bases his opinions on that. > - > Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. Your bias doesn't allow you to > actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental > overreach, not prenatal care. And the government banning abortion , now wouldn't that be Big bro invading patient/dr. privacy issues? Did you know through education , Planned Parenthood prevents unwanted pregnancies and therefore prevents abortion. an ounce of prevention is.... -- Karma, What a concept!
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: Ken
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:35
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:35
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On Feb 20, 9:57 am, "IlBenButtfucked @gmail.com" <Dimwitted Davie Boi> wrote this shit > I want a Leader who will rub the apathetic > Sexual Hedonists up the wrong way by making abortion birth controt unavailable , So saz self-confessed HOMOSEXUAL David N Brown aka ilbebauck, daveinlakevilla and dozens of other nics DAVE'S REPLY: And what if it once did involve homosexuality many years ago when i was a godless heathen Randy ? Then what ? It wouldnt make me a 'hypocritical Bigot' now since i dont do it.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: SilentOtto
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:34
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:34
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On Feb 20, 12:11 pm, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote: > "Tim Howard" <tim.how...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > > news:4f41e5f4$0$12733$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > > always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > > and bases his opinions on that. > > - > Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. Yes he does. He just said that he opposed prenatal testing. Prenatal testing is part of prenatal care. How do you know for certain what care a fetus might need if you don't check? If you do away with one, you pretty much do away with the other beyond making sure the mother takes her vitamins. Really, rightard... It's not that complicated. >Your bias doesn't allow you to > actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental > overreach, not prenatal care. You mean government overreach by mandating that any woman seeking an abortion must undergo medically unnecessary ultrasound examinations? The problem is -religious- overreach. Stop trying to codify your religious taboos into law and we won't have any problems. Heh heh... Lying racist rightard socialists... Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: SilentOtto
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:39
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:39
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On Feb 20, 12:57 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 20, 11:11 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > "Tim Howard" <tim.how...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > > >news:4f41e5f4$0$12733$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > > > always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > > > and bases his opinions on that. > > > - > > Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. Your bias doesn't allow you to > > actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental > > overreach, not prenatal care. > > I agree with you. No, you don't rightard. You admit it in the next paragraph. >Santorum is by far the closest thing going to true > Christian values and Id love to be respresented by his presidency . > It would be almost like having a Founding Father running the Nation > again , instead of psuedo-leaders who say they are for ALL Americans > yet dont care about the developing Unborn Americans who deserve to > walk the soil of America. I want a Leader who will rub the apathetic > Sexual Hedonists up the wrong way by making abortion birth control / > murder unavailable , while making adoption easier . This > Halocaust has to end before Abortion Mills offer driveup service on > 'Moms' lunch hour. So much for the claim that this isn't about access birth control or abortion, but is instead about "government overreach", eh rightard? Thanks for admitting the true agenda of the religious right. Heh heh... Lying racist rightard religious whack job socialists... Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: Tim Howard
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:25
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 00:25
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On 2/20/2012 10:15 AM, Mr. K wrote: > In article<jhtur9$vtk$1@dont-email.me>, > "Wayne"<mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote: > >> "Tim Howard"<tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote in message >> news:4f41e5f4$0$12733$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net... >>> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He >>> always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things >>> and bases his opinions on that. >> - >> Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. Your bias doesn't allow you to >> actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental >> overreach, not prenatal care. > > And the government banning abortion , now wouldn't that be Big bro > invading patient/dr. privacy issues? > Did you know through education , Planned Parenthood prevents unwanted > pregnancies and therefore prevents abortion. an ounce of prevention > is.... Yes but these radical Catholics don't want to prevent unwanted pregnancies. They still go by the "be fruitful and multiply" rhetoric, even though, with billions of people on the planet, we have already done that long ago.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: Ray Fischer
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:13
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:13
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Wayne <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote: >"Tim Howard" <tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote in message >> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He >> always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things >> and bases his opinions on that. >- >Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. He just opposes having any government incolvment in paying for it. > Your bias doesn't allow you to >actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental >overreach, not prenatal care. "Overreah" = "anything that might benefit working Americans". -- Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. rfischer@sonic.net | Goethe
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: IlBeBauck
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:45
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:45
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On Feb 20, 1:39 pm, SilentOtto <silento...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 20, 12:57 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Feb 20, 11:11 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > "Tim Howard" <tim.how...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > > > >news:4f41e5f4$0$12733$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > > > > always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > > > > and bases his opinions on that. > > > > - > > > Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. Your bias doesn't allow you to > > > actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental > > > overreach, not prenatal care. > > > I agree with you. > > No, you don't rightard. > > You admit it in the next paragraph. > > >Santorum is by far the closest thing going to true > > Christian values and Id love to be respresented by his presidency . > > It would be almost like having a Founding Father running the Nation > > again , instead of psuedo-leaders who say they are for ALL Americans > > yet dont care about the developing Unborn Americans who deserve to > > walk the soil of America. I want a Leader who will rub the apathetic > > Sexual Hedonists up the wrong way by making abortion birth control / > > murder unavailable , while making adoption easier . This > > Halocaust has to end before Abortion Mills offer driveup service on > > 'Moms' lunch hour. > > So much for the claim that this isn't about access birth control or > abortion, but is instead about "government overreach", eh rightard? > > Thanks for admitting the true agenda of the religious right. > > Heh heh... > > Lying racist rightard religious whack job socialists... > > Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you. I want America to be what our Founding Fathers wanted it to be . That is, some sense of morality, ethics, and correct behavior among the masses. We fail on all 3 if we allow Sexual Hedonists to reply on Abortion Mills to bail them out of a tight jam aka: Pregnancy. Was your Mom prochoice or did you survive an abortion attempt ?
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: W.T.S.
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:01
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:01
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In article <badc2be1-a412-4d35-935a-0791480047b0 @i18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, ilbebauck@gmail.com says... > On Feb 20, 1:39 pm, SilentOtto <silento...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 20, 12:57 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > I want America to be what our Founding Fathers wanted it to be . That > is, some sense of morality, ethics, and correct behavior among the > masses. We fail on all 3 if we allow Sexual Hedonists to reply on > Abortion Mills to bail them out of a tight jam aka: Pregnancy. Was > your Mom prochoice or did you survive an abortion attempt ? I want America to progress and have abortion on demand, paid for by the taxpayer. I want plenty of orgies and public sex. I want the Catholic Church to be burned to the ground. Is that a problem for anyone? Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of women and men alike! > http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481 > http://www.jennyjerrome.org/ > http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch > http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html > http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm > Breed like rabbits, live like pigs. Live like pigs, die like rats! > Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public expense.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: Wayne
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:03
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:03
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message news:4f43dee1$0$11987$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... Wayne <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote: >"Tim Howard" <tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote in message >> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He >> always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things >> and bases his opinions on that. >- >Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. #He just opposes having any government incolvment in paying for it. So when is the government supposed to be involved in prenatal care? > Your bias doesn't allow you to >actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental >overreach, not prenatal care. #"Overreah" = "anything that might benefit working Americans". Overreach in 1)assuming functions that should be in the private sector and 2) interference with religious beliefs.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: W.T.S.
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:54
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:54
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In article <ji1et9$sg7$1@dont-email.me>, mygarbagecan@verizon.net says... > "Ray Fischer" wrote in message > news:4f43dee1$0$11987$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... > > Wayne <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote: > >"Tim Howard" <tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > >> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > >> always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > >> and bases his opinions on that. > >- > >Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. > > #He just opposes having any government incolvment in paying for it. Not even when it saves all of us more tax dollars. > > So when is the government supposed to be involved in prenatal care? Whenever it'll help bring about an abortion. > > > Your bias doesn't allow you to > >actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental > >overreach, not prenatal care. Part of the governments job is to save all of us money. > > #"Overreah" = "anything that might benefit working Americans". > > Overreach in 1)assuming functions that should be in the private sector and > 2) interference with religious beliefs. Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of women and men alike! > http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481 > http://www.jennyjerrome.org/ > http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch > http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html > http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm > Breed like rabbits, live like pigs. Live like pigs, die like rats! > Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public expense.
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: SilentOtto
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:01
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:01
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On Feb 21, 2:45 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 20, 1:39 pm, SilentOtto <silento...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 12:57 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > On Feb 20, 11:11 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > "Tim Howard" <tim.how...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > > > > >news:4f41e5f4$0$12733$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > > > > > always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > > > > > and bases his opinions on that. > > > > > - > > > > Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. Your bias doesn't allow you to > > > > actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental > > > > overreach, not prenatal care. > > > > I agree with you. > > > No, you don't rightard. > > > You admit it in the next paragraph. > > > >Santorum is by far the closest thing going to true > > > Christian values and Id love to be respresented by his presidency . > > > It would be almost like having a Founding Father running the Nation > > > again , instead of psuedo-leaders who say they are for ALL Americans > > > yet dont care about the developing Unborn Americans who deserve to > > > walk the soil of America. I want a Leader who will rub the apathetic > > > Sexual Hedonists up the wrong way by making abortion birth control / > > > murder unavailable , while making adoption easier . This > > > Halocaust has to end before Abortion Mills offer driveup service on > > > 'Moms' lunch hour. > > > So much for the claim that this isn't about access birth control or > > abortion, but is instead about "government overreach", eh rightard? > > > Thanks for admitting the true agenda of the religious right. > > > Heh heh... > > > Lying racist rightard religious whack job socialists... > > > Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you. > > I want America to be what our Founding Fathers wanted it to be . Your problem, rightard, is that America was -never- what you think it was. >That > is, some sense of morality, ethics, and correct behavior among the > masses. You mean correct behavior like: Prostitution. Child abuse. Spousal abuse. Slavery. Teen pregnancy. Infant mortality. Racism. Sexism. Massive poverty. All were -far- more common during the "Golden Age" you rightards want us to return to than they are now. Yea... That's a real ideal to aspire to, rightard. And, there were plenty of homosexuals running around too. It's just that back then nobody much gave a damn. Heh heh... Lying racist rightard socialists... Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you. >We fail on all 3 if we allow Sexual Hedonists to reply on > Abortion Mills to bail them out of a tight jam aka: Pregnancy. Was > your Mom prochoice or did you survive an abortion attempt ?
Re: Sick Rantorum even opposes prenatal screening
Author: SilentOtto
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10
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On Feb 21, 8:03 pm, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote: > "Ray Fischer" wrote in message > > news:4f43dee1$0$11987$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... > > Wayne <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote: > >"Tim Howard" <tim.how...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > >> Rantorum says prenatal screening results in abortions and eugenics. He > >> always seems to find what he feels is the worst-case scenario for things > >> and bases his opinions on that. > >- > >Santorum doesn't oppose prenatal care. > > #He just opposes having any government incolvment in paying for it. > > So when is the government supposed to be involved in prenatal care? When it comes to insuring every woman has adequate access to it. After that, it's between her and her doctor. > > Your bias doesn't allow you to > >actually pay attention to what he says. The problem is governmental > >overreach, not prenatal care. > > #"Overreah" = "anything that might benefit working Americans". > > Overreach in 1)assuming functions that should be in the private sector and > 2) interference with religious beliefs. Why should health care be in the private sector? Why should religious beliefs trump civil law?
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