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Don P. wrote:

> Michael Edelman wrote:
>
> > Cap'n wrote:
> > > kcarmstron@coastnet.com says...
> > > >
> > > >What is "zero point energy"
> > >
> > >  Energy that is extracted from a vacuum.
> > >
> >
> > More specifically, it refers to the idea that it may be
> > possible to extract energy from the quantum fluctuations in a
> > vacuum.
> >



Physicists know that we are immersed in an energetic field. The existence of
zero point electromagnetic
 energy was discovered in 1958 by the Dutch physicist M J Sparnaay.  Mr
Sparnaay continued the
 experiments carried out by Hendrik B G Casimir in 1948 which showed the
existence of a force between
 two uncharged parallel plates which arose from electromagnetic radiation
surrounding the plates in a
 vacuum.

Now, a formal definition...

Z.P.E. [Zero point energy] - The energy remaining in a substance at the
"absolute zero of temperature (0 K).  This is in accordance with quantum
theory, in which a particle oscillating with SHM (simple harmonic motion - A
form of periodic motion in which a point or body oscillates along a line
about a central point in such a way that it ranges an equal distance on
either side of the central point and that its acceleration towards the
central point is always proportional to its distance from it.) does not have
a stationary state of zero KE (kinetic energy - energy of motion).
Moreover, the uncertainty principle (The principle that it is not possible
to know with unlimited accuracy both the position and momentum of a particle
(Heisenberg UP)) doesn't allow such a particle to be at rest at exactly the
centerpoint of its oscillations.




> SNIP
>
> >
> >
> > There are those who think it's possible to extract energy from
> > this force, and a number of crackpots and charletans like
> > Puthoff are pushing it as a source of free energy.

We don't like it when you refer to free-energy seekers as "crackpots and
charlatans".

> > Most
> > physicists have their doubts, since the force is a one-way
> > gradient, like gravity.

How beggarly to think of the fuel of the future in the same category as our
weakest known fundamental interaction.  If you forgot the others, they [all]
are:(strongest -->  weakest)
1.  Strong interaction (strong nuclear force (between hadrons(any of a class
of subatomic particles that interact by the strong interaction)/ nucleons))
2.  Electromagnetic Interaction (forces between charged particles)
3.  Weak interaction  (weak nuclear force (between leptons(any of a class of
elementary particles that consists of the electron, muon, tau particle and 3
types of neutrino)/ in decay of hadrons))
4.  Gravitional interaction  (force that acts between all bodies that have
mass; always attractive)

>  Why do you suggest that the ZPE is a one way gradient?I see it as a
> two-way flow of energy (or charge, etc.).

At least.

>   According to QED

> , a cloud of "Virtual Photons"  manifests
> around an induced or manifested *charge*.  It has been suggested
> that this "cloud of virtual photons" -IS- the electric field.  It has
> also been suggested by "most physicsts"  that this cloud of "virtual
> photons" actually  comes from *nowhere*.  It has been stated that
> *charge* - is the ability to create, induce, or manifest  "virtual
> photons".   Do you subscribe to these mainstream beliefs Michael?
>
>  Where do you think the "virtual photons"  that surround an induced
> charge come from?
>
>   Finally, how dare someone like Harold Puthoff,  Floyd Sweet, John
> Searl,
> Peirre Sinclaire,  Joseph Newman,  Henry Moray, Hans Coler, etc. (to
> mention
> a few) have  the audacity to suggest that the ZPE or Aether can be
> efficiently
> tapped for it's energy?  Don't they have any respect for mainstream
> physics?

I'm losing respect for you as a scientist, even though I haven't developed
any respect for you since I don't know you.  (you could be a little child
reading from your father's physics books and playing with the computer)

Thank you for entertaining my comments,

Please do not let the Sender username deceive you,

my name is Peter Sargent.  You can call me Peter as if your IQ was normal.

Peter Sargent