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Article #564Re: Why Life on Mars and the Dinosaurs Died
From: Robert Fentiman
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:00
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:00
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Ok, as a physicist and a geologist, I think this whole mess needs to be cleared up once and for all. Short lession in science history, as well as geology follows. For a long time, catastrophism was considered to be the primary shaping event of the world (ie, volcanos, and big nasty events causing large changes) that happen in a relatively short time. Then beginning in the 1700's, but having most work on it done in the 1800's, the theory of uniformitarianism came into being, which basically says that slow events over a long period of time have a significant effect, which holds quite true. Sedimentation of limestone in oceans, and the process of mountain building (which continues in many ranges to this day) are events that aren't formed in days, weeks, years, or even thousands of years, but on the scale of hundreds of thousands to millions of years. Uniformitarianism became so popular that for a while catastrophic events were considered minor players in world events, basically considered having local effects only. Of course, a more centrist view of the situation, allowing for both situations is pretty much accepted today. On the subject of the impact about 65 million years ago - a short history: In 1978, a group of scientists (including geologist Walter Alvarez, and his father Luis Alvares, a Nobel psysicist) were trying out a new technique to get the time it took for marine rock layers to form by looking at the trace element Iridium. Iridium is a VERY rare element on Earth, but trace ammounts are collected from space dust that is captured by the earth (lots of dust and other materials from space is constantly raining down - several hundreds of tons a year or more). Since the rate of dust/iridium accumulation is known well enough to suit error factors for geological ages, it was a sound model. But the Alvarez's discovered something completly by accident - an EXTREMELY high concentration of Iridium in a small layer right at the boundry between the Cretaceous (denoted as a K, from the German word) - which was the last age of the dinosaurs, and the Tertiary (Symbolized by a T) - the age when mamals pretty much took over. There's only two possibilities for this concentration of Iridium - a volcanic eruption that includes lava from deep in the mantle of the Earth, or from an extraterrestrial (meteor or comet) imact, as iridium is known to be in high concentrations in such objects. Further, other scientists started noticing that this anomalously high iridium boundry was seen globally at the same location in the geologic time scale (at the K-T boundry). Also, it was well known that there are NO dinosaur fossils above the Cretaceous, and that about 60% of all other life on earth at the time went extinct as well (so it wasn't just a dino problem). More recent studies of the KT boundry have shown an isotopic ratio of Iridium and other rare earth elements (Osmium for one) to be more consistent with an extraterrestrial origin, as well as the varieties of shocked quartz (quartz that has been changed due to a large stress such as an impact) that has been found globally at this layer. It should be noted, however, that there was a VERY large volcanic eruption in the Decan Traps in Russia at about the same time, and recent hypothesis abound right now as to them being coincidences, or possibly the impact (which was known to be VERY large) causing the vulcanism. I'm not well versed in these hypothesis, however, and will not discuss them further without more information. Nevertheless, it is nearly globally admitted by geologists that an extremely large impact occured about 65 million years ago, most probably at Chixilub (sorry if this is a misspelling) off the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico, from an object probably in the range of 5 to 10 miles in diameter, and there is much evidence supporting this hypothesis. As far as continental drift goes, it's been going on for a LOT longer than 65 million years ago (in fact, it's been going on as long as there have been continents) and supercontinents seem to form in cycles (note, this doesn't mean all the pieces go back in the same position they used to be in at all - they just come together, then break up again, meeting each other in different configurations). There has been at least 4 of these supercontinents estimated to have existed, and possibly more. One only needs to go to East Africa and look at the African rift system to see a new ocean beginning to form as the rift splits aparts, or come here to Duluth and see one that started about 1.1 billion years ago, but stopped again (not uncommon). As for the asteroid belt, to the best of my knowledge, the total mass would only be that of a small planet or moon, but it is unlikely that it was every together. It is basically bits left over from the formation of the solar system that was caught in a gravitationally good spot, being influenced by jupiter. And contrary to some beliefs, mostly enfoced by hollywood, the asteroids are concentrated in two groups, slightly ahead of and behind Jupiter's orbit due to orbital mechanics/gravitational effects. I'm sure someone else could explain it better, but I'll find more information if people really request it. I should present a show on this whole thing at the Alworth Planetarium where I work ;o). Or at least hope a representative from a college that has a graduate program in planetary sciences might seem impressed and send me material on their program ;o). Hope this helps! -- / ALSO SPRACH RFENTIMA / Robert Fentiman - University of Minnesota, Duluth \ | Amiga 3000/25/9/100 \ rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu or Robert.A.Fentiman@umn.edu / |__MST3K+Starwars+B5 Fan_\______Physics/Geology_Major_-_CS/Math Minor_______/ \_____________Pain is the body's way of saying "Don't do that!"____________/
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 111c3f,dc49c6f0e0ae45ef X-Google-Attributes: gid111c3f,public X-Google-Thread: f98ed,42750bcc1b1434b0 X-Google-Attributes: gidf98ed,public X-Google-Thread: fe15b,42750bcc1b1434b0 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe15b,public X-Google-Thread: 11339c,dc49c6f0e0ae45ef X-Google-Attributes: gid11339c,public X-Google-Thread: 107d29,49e9cc800ccf3739 X-Google-Attributes: gid107d29,public X-Google-Thread: fa707,dc49c6f0e0ae45ef X-Google-Attributes: gidfa707,public X-Google-Thread: fe743,dc49c6f0e0ae45ef X-Google-Attributes: gidfe743,public X-Google-Thread: 10384c,42750bcc1b1434b0 X-Google-Attributes: gid10384c,public From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) Subject: Re: Why Life on Mars and the Dinosaurs Died Date: 1996/11/13 Message-ID: <56bnpu$4ge@epx.cis.umn.edu> X-Deja-AN: 196530102 x-nntp-posting-host: ub.d.umn.edu references: <01bbc94a$4ee7d640$6f8860ce@david-lawler> <N4FDziANUcgyEwyH@dweinstein.demon.co.uk> <3289024c.0@scooby.nildram.co.uk> followup-to: alt.alien.research,alt.alien.visitors,alt.astrology,alt.prophecies.nostradamus,alt.sci.planetary,ca.earthquakes,sci.astro.planetarium,sci.space.history,sci.space.science delivery-date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:02:57 -0800 organization: University of Minnesota return-path: news@epx.cis.umn.edu newsgroups: alt.alien.research,alt.alien.visitors,alt.astrology,alt.prophecies.nostradamus,alt.sci.planetary,ca.earthquakes,sci.astro.planetarium,sci.space.history,sci.space.science