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> An Early
>                                  British
>                                  Naval
>                                  Sighting.
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>                                  � By Gordon
>                                  Creighton.
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> At the time when FSR was being launched, in the
> spring of 1955, I was working - after a diplomatic
> career on four continents - in an Intelligence
> post somewhere in the governmental and
> administrative heart of London known as Whitehall.
> The name of the organisation where I was employed
> and the nature of my duties there are not matters
> that need to be chronicled here, and it will
> perhaps suffice if I say that, being in central
> London, I was well placed to make social contacts
> with people of various services, including
> officers of the CIA and of the American Air Force
> Intelligence.
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> Having once seen something extraordinary in the
> sky (in the far west of China, no less than
> fourteen years before FSR began) my mind was
> already much taken up with the problems of the
> "flying saucers." And, among these officers and
> officials whom I was meeting outside of as well as
> inside office hours I found that there were some
> who were evidently pretty knowledgeable and who
> took more than just a superficial or passing
> interest in the "saucers" and were even very
> willing to discuss them seriously, although I
> noticed that, naturally enough, they seemed far
> more keen on 'pumping' other folk than on
> releasing much information on the subject
> themselves. In other words, they were already
> "cagey". (I emphasise again that these officials
> were invariably encountered on purely social
> occasions, for my own work was in no way connected
> with them, secret though it was, and none of them
> were ever met in the course of my duties.)
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> It must of course be borne in mind that those were
> still very early days in the UFO business. The
> meetings of the famous"Robertson Panel" of
> scientists in the USA only took place in 1953.
> Things were fluid still, "the lid was by no means
> fully screwed down yet", and lots of stories and
> reports were getting into the newspapers which
> would assuredly never get into them now, and
> people in uniform were correspondingly more
> relaxed still and not yet quite as much on their
> guard as they would be in later years.
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> In the summer of 1958, on a social occasion, while
> taking my vacation in a country not far from
> Britain,, I met another American officer - a
> captain in the U.S. Air Force Intelligence, with
> whom I had a very interesting chat for an hour or
> so on UFOs. He told me that he had had a personal
> encounter with a "foo fighter" when about to land
> his plane on an airfield near Tokyo in 1946, very
> shortly after the defeat of Japan. He told me
> that, at a certain moment, the "foo fighter"
> exploded right in front of his aircraft. He said
> the whole area beneath and round about was combed
> exhaustively by American troops and Japanese
> police, but not a scrap of the enigmatic intruder
> was ever found. In the famous Brazilian case at
> Ubatuba, (1) in September 1957, on the other hand,
> it will be recalled that the "foo fighter" fell
> right on the shore-line, between sea and land, and
> a good proportion of it was recovered and, as we
> were subsequently informed by APRO, was being
> analysed in a Brazilian laboratory. (Further
> reports were promised, but I never saw any, and
> this did not surprise me!) We gathered however
> that the main constituent of the object was the
> easily combustible element magnesium.
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> I then told the American Air Force Intelligence
> officer about the strange sight that I (along with
> two other Europeans) had seen in the sky over a
> city in the remote interior of China at about noon
> one day in the summer of 1941, (2) and he listened
> with evident interest and asked many questions,
> but refused to speculate. I was left with the
> impression that he already "knew a lot".
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>        ADMIRAL LORD LOUIS MOUNTBATTEN.
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> One of the earliest "big names" that we heard
> mentioned in connection with the "flying saucers"
> was that of Admiral Lord Louis Mountbatten. He too
> - so it was said - "knew a lot about flying
> saucers", because the British Navy possessed
> photographs of them in flight over the sea, and
> also sometimes at rest on the surface of the
> water.
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> My own (unpublicised) association with FSR had
> started with the very establishment of the journal
> in 1955. I had filled in a subscription form and
> sent off my cheque, and in due course, as a
> subscriber, I began to receive from their first
> secretary Brinsley le Poer Trench (later Lord
> Clancarty) my FSRs, from No. 1 onwards. My first
> contributed item appeared in issue No.2 (Vol.1
> No.2) but it was to be a good many years before my
> name was given in the journal - not, in fact,
> until I had ceased to be a civil servant.
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> As for Lord Mountbatten's great personal interest
> in our subject - we knew with certainty that this
> was true, for he had asked to receive FSR, and a
> copy of every issue was accordingly sent to him
> right from the beginning. (Nor was he the only
> person in those very highest levels among our
> national leaders who had expressed such an
> interest, and who consequently also received every
> issue of FSR right from the commencement.)
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>                   A STRANGE STORY.
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> Adistant relative of mine (now dead) had served
> in the Royal Navy in World War II. Not long ago,
> just before his death, he told me a strange story
> which I think should now be placed on record, as
> it agrees so closely with some of those tales and
> rumours that were heard in Whitehall during the
> 1950s. He said, simply, that he knew a colleague,
> another British naval officer, who had worked in
> the early post-war years in the main building of
> the Admiralty - which, as I should perhaps explain
> for the benefit of foreign and overseas readers -
> was in those days the administrative headquarters
> for the Royal Navy and is in Whitehall. This
> officer told my relative that, on a certain
> occasion, in the Admiralty, he happened to visit
> the room of a very senior officer in the Royal
> Navy, and there, right on the great man's desk, he
> saw what he ought not to have seen - files on the
> subject of UFOs, and photographs of strange
> disc-shaped objects on the surface of the sea.
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>   THE ALLEGED LANDING ON THE MOUNTBATTEN
>                         ESTATE.
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> After the murder of Lord Mountbatten by the IRA
> terrorists in 1979, FSR published an article by
> Desmond Leslie, (3) giving the details of an
> extraordinary affair regarding which we had
> already heard vague rumours over a good many years
> past. A UFO, or UFOs, it seems, had landed briefly
> in the grounds of the Mountbatten estate, at
> Broadlands, in Hampshire, Southern England, one
> snowy day during the 1950s, and an occupant of the
> craft had spoken to an Army NCO, Sergeant Briggs,
> a member of the Admiral's outdoor staff. According
> to Desmond Leslie, when Lord Mountbatten heard of
> the encounter, he at once sent for Sergeant Briggs
> and got him to make a full statement, of which
> seven copies were prepared. Briggs signed all
> seven copies, and was permitted to keep one, while
> Lord Mountbatten placed the other six copies in a
> drawer of his desk.
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>     CONFIRMATION BY CHARLES GIBBS-SMITH.
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> When the Directors of FSR held their next board
> meeting, they were able to hear direct
> confirmation of this affair. For our colleague and
> fellow director Charles Gibbs-Smith reported that
> he had traced Sergeant Briggs and discussed the
> matter with him, and had seen his signed copy of
> the Report which Lord Mountbatten had drawn up.
> Several of us urged Charles Gibbs-Smith to put
> this important piece of corroborative evidence
> down in writing at once, so that it might go on
> record in our journal, and it is a matter for very
> great regret that our much-loved colleague,
> already a sick man, was apparently unable to
> attend to this before he died. This brief note
> must serve therefore for the record.
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>  EVIDENCE OF THE ROYAL NAVY'S INTEREST IN
>                           UFOs.
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> Traditionally the Royal Navy has been known as
> the "Silent Service." Although we have all heard
> so much evidence to indicate the great interest
> taken by all Air Forces, and for many years past,
> in anything of a 'ufological' nature, only rarely
> have we heard of Navies taking an interest in such
> matters. Although a cursory glance through the
> history of our subject will show that at various
> times there have been reports of investigations by
> the naval authorities in the USA, Canada, Brazil,
> Argentina, and Chile, to name just a few, never,
> it seems, has there been mention of the British
> Navy.
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>               THE ARTICLE IN URANUS
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> Recently, when leafing through the pages of
> Uranus (the early mimeographed UFO magazine, long
> since defunct, which was edited in the mid-1950s
> first by Eric Biddle and later by David Wightman)
> (4), I came across the interesting little story
> which I reproduce below. As will be noted, it is
> said to have come from a German press source but
> most unfortunately, though the name of the German
> newspaper is given, there is no reference to the
> date of either the paper or the alleged report.
> However, many readers may feel inclined to think,
> as I do, that the story sounds genuine. We must
> bear in mind that those were still the very early
> years of the UFO Phenomenon. The official clamps
> of secrecy only began to be effective around
> 1956-57, and in the seven years that had elapsed
> since Kenneth Arnold's famous sighting in July
> 1947 many extraordinary reports had got out that
> certainly would not stand the slightest chance of
> doing so today.
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> I have no idea what the circulation of Uranus was,
> but it was certainly very small. It was a simple
> little mimeographed magazine on very poor paper,
> and it is likely that few copies will have
> survived. If we do not give this report wider
> circulation by reprinting it now, it will probably
> be lost and forgotten altogether. If we print it
> now, there is always the possibility that one of
> our German readers may be able to trace the
> original item in the Speyerer Tagespost, and if we
> take it from there we may be able to find out more
> about the story and learn from where they got it.
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> Who knows? The possibility is not excluded that
> this story in a German newspaper concerns the very
> same UFO sighting and the same photographs about
> which the British naval officer from the Admiralty
> spoke to a member of my family a quarter of a
> century ago.
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>  A BRITISH NAVAL SIGHTING COMES TO LIGHT.
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>      (This report first appeared in the
>                Speyerer Tagespost.)
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> Three British submarines returned to Plymouth
> after manoeuvres held off the Bristol Channel. The
> Commander, Captain Chelwan. (5) reported to his
> Admiral that he had seen "Flying Saucers" floating
> on the sea approximately eleven nautical miles
> south of Lundy Island. He was able to take two
> photographs showing the objects.
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> The research organisation on UFOs, formed about a
> year ago in London and attached to the Admiralty,
> confiscated the film at the Admiral's request, and
> decided that the photos would be studied,
> evaluated, and released for publication (6) at a
> later date. In the meantime Captain Chelwan was
> ordered to treat his encounter with the UFOs as a
> military secret and to instruct his officers and
> men accordingly.
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> Before the order was imposed, however, a newspaper
> man obtained a five-minute interview with Captain
> Chelwan, and here is the Captain's story:-
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> "We surfaced near Lundy Island, and, on opening
> the hatch, my Engineer and I noticed, about a mile
> to the S.W., two silvery discs floating on the
> sea. As the sun was shining on the ripples, I
> thought at first that it was a light reflection,
> but presently we both heard a buzzing sound. We
> quickly grabbed our binoculars and examined the
> objects. They were shaped like a disc slightly
> elevated in the middle, and had no windows,
> portholes, or other apertures. The elevated middle
> portion was stationary, but the flat outside
> portion, surrounding the middle part like a
> collar, rotated slowly on the water.
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> "We thought the objects measured approximately 100
> ft. across, the middle portion appearing to be not
> bigger than one tenth of the whole disc. The outer
> portion surrounding the centre piece appeared not
> to be attached to it, as there was a gap between
> them measuring abut two feet.
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> "I must say we were very much surprised at the
> sight of those objects, and officers and men
> crowded (7) the deck staring as if they were
> hypnotised. As the whole "show" took only 80
> seconds, it was impossible to form a sober
> judgement. Their origin seems to be a puzzle;
> technically they seemed far above anything we
> knew. We all though immediately that they were
> Flying Saucers. I intended to give an order to go
> at them full ahead and, if possible, get alongside
> them, but the buzzing sound became higher and more
> urgent, until the pitch was so high that it could
> not be heard any longer. The two discs mounted
> horizontally, turned sideways at about 300 ft, and
> disappeared in twenty seconds at a speed which I
> estimate to be at about 2,000 mph. At the same
> time a reddish glow surrounded the objects. (8)
> The Admiralty declared that the sighting was to be
> treated seriously and the evaluation of it would
> take some time."
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>                NOTES AND REFERENCES
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> 1. See FSR, Vol. 6, No.4 (July/August 1960), page 21.
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> 2. A brief account of this sighting has been given by Robert
> Chapman, Science Correspondent of the London Sunday Express, in his
> book Unidentified Flying Objects (pub. Arthur Barker, London, 1969)
> and later as a Mayflower paperback under the title UFO: Flying
> Saucers over Britain? (also 1969).
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> 3. See Desmond Leslie: Did Flying Saucers Land at
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> Broadlands?: Alleged Encounters on the Estate of Earl Mountbatten
> of Burma. In FSR Vol 26, No. 5 (January 1981).
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> 4. See URANUS, Vol.3 No.3 (December 1956). Editor David Wightman. A
> mimeographed twenty-page bulletin issued six times yearly by
> Markham House Press Ltd., 31 King's Road, London SE3.
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> 5. This name Chelwan should be an important clue. I asked the
> department of the Ministry of Defence who deal with these matters
> whether they could assist me by tracing an officer of this name,
> and I received an extraordinarily prompt reply that they had no
> record of any officer of such a name having served in the Royal
> Navy. It is very much to be hoped that one of our readers who has
> more leisure than we at FSR do (our number is very small), and who
> has access to old issues of the Navy List, might be able to effect
> a more convincing search for us, and tell us whether they have any
> success.
>
> 6....."released for publication...."OH YEAH We seem to have heard
> of such assurances on plenty of other occasions!
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> 7. Remember that this UFO report dates from the early or mid-1950s,
> that is to say, from a time when very little had yet been published
> about the details of UFO appearance or UFO behaviour. Read this
> alleged naval officer's account carefully, and note how numerous
> are the features that today strike us as familiar, because we have
> seen them in so many other reports. It it be claimed that someone
> in Britain or Germany faked this story, then one can only say that
> he must have already been remarkably well informed on various
> aspects that can have been known only to a very few folk indeed at
> so early a date.
>
> 8. How often since then have we seen mention of this change of
> colour towards red as UFOs accelerate!
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>
> �Flying Saucer Review Library of Congress
> copyright FSR Publications, Ltd. 1981.
> Contributions appearing in this magazine do not
> necessarily reflect its policy and are published
> without prejudice.
>
>
> Gordon Creighton (Editor FSR)

Very interesting  thnks

maybe some brits  on acadia can tell you wht they think any brits here? : )
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