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"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Disordered  at the outside only means they believe things outside the
>>consensus.  this is the tacit agreement that today is not THURSDAY and
>>no one is actually being persecuted.  Benji would have us believe in the
>>persecution of  people that know things that other folks do not.  LIKE
>>there was a MASSIVE government cover up of a UFO crash at Roswell.
>>In fact there is  a probability that any person of interest will be
>>deviate in some mental state.
>
> Like all the skeptics and UFO buffs you try to place upon ME the onus
> of BELIEF.

Well, sure....YOU are the believer after all.

> Like all skeptics you try to turn science into a
> religion!

How long you gonna ride that train?
YOU are the believer. YOU are the religous freak.


> Mental illness like quackery in science is when one insists
> that theories are FACT.

Please point to even one peer-reviewed scientist
that says that.  I'll wait right here moron.


> And that as FACT they must be accepted as true
> without question.

Blah, blah, blah... Your strawman is falling apart idiot.

> So a determination of what day it is requires not
> only a determination of that a day actually exists but since the names
> of days are arbitrary, there must ALSO be found some manner of
> establishing what arbitrary system of names is being used.

What the fuck are you babbling on about now?
The days of the week?  What a fucking snappahead.


> In short,
> if you as a debunker produce a calendar that demonstrates today is
> Wednesday, it only proves that you have in your possession a system of
> day names with today being Wednesday. It most certainly does NOT prove
> that a more widely used system by large numbers of persons calls today
> "Thursday".

BWAHAHAhahahahaha!


> Sanity has NOTHING to do with these determinations. And
> to bring it up is merely an effort to cloud the issue and mislead the
> observer.

Ya. Today's Friday, so aliens at Roswell is true!  QED.


> The propaganda (skeptic) technique now moves on into lies and
> disinformation!

Now comes the paranoia. Get a grip B.J.


> I want you
> to believe that it is logical to assume that people tell lies for
> their own purposes.

You're proof of that.


>>that is a  strange idea that some very small number of people are too
>>damaged to function in society.   STRONGLY deviated.
>>
>>if it were a number from 0 to 100000 say,  we would all have normally
>>small interger values,  the question is my number smaller than Benji or
>>is Benji larger than any of us?

Benji, AKA B.J., is simply naive.
He has the mind and gullibility of a child.


> Now we make several great jumps to make the arguments. First we
> ascribe beliefs to Velikovsky (just like we did to "Benji" above),
> even though Velikovsky clearly stated over and over that his ideas and
> proposals came from historical records.


A historical record that gravity doesn't exist near Jupiter?
Please produce such document.


> What he "believed" is again
> irrelevant. Notice the forced effort to return everything to "belief"
> rather than facts!


More paranoid delusions on your part B.J.



> Also there is here the appeal to "authority"
> without proof. It is assumed that "everybody" knows how gravity works.
> But truth is that nobody knows how gravity works.


*I* know how it works.  The only unanswered questions regarding
gravity,  is why it is so weak.

Do you read at all B.J. ?


> All scientific
> attempts to prove the solar system to be stable using Newtons theory
> of gravity have failed.

You've got a cite for that...Right?   No?


>The point is that the "everybody knows" that
> there is gravity near Jupiter argument is completely bogus!

Only to the ignorant.  AKA you.


> There is
> only ONE proof that there is gravity near Jupiter. That is to send a
> probe and MEASURE it!


If brains were dynamite, you'd be a nuke.

No probe needs be sent. Do the math dummy.


> And much of this HAS been done for Velikovsky's
> ideas. Some proved correct. Some proved wrong.


Vel was an idiot except when it came to suckering
cluless rubes like you into paying for his shit.

P.T. had it right.



>>it is TRUE and NOT TRUE.   LAW is designed so we can all lie to each
>>other and the court will decide.   It does not matter who is lieing.  it
>>only matters who has testable data.
>
> So here we have a DIRECT admission by "josepus" that what I've been
> saying is absolutely correct. Conspiracies DO exist and evidence is
> presented in a court of law to decide who is lying. And that all that
> matters is facts, evidence and data.  But also note the clever cover
> job by asserting that I have been saying the things the opposite of my
> actual position. In other words he is lying about my position so he
> can then discredit the false position with the very arguments that *I*
> have been making! Is that a clever move or what?

A tomato is more intelligent than you, noob.

Bring forth your 'testable data'. OH!  That's right.
You don't have any. Without testable data, belief
becomes religion.


> Note the clever assertion of what I'm "asking" you to do here!


Yes. He's clever, you're not.
Game over B. J.


> I
> don't recall asking for ANY person's vote.  So let me ask a KEY
> question here: Why would anyone accept the word of an anonymous poster
> as to what some OTHER (not anonymous) poster is "asking"?  Why not
> just go see the FACTS of what the other person said?  [this is the
> internet, remember? Archives do exist. It is not a theoretical
> question!]  Obviously it's a disinformation ploy to lead the reader
> from the trail of truth.


So there it is. More paranoia from lil benji.

"He's a government disinformation agent".  "Oh Noes!"


>This is the same question as asking why in
> the world would anyone blindly take the word of a PROFESSIONAL LIAR,
> like "The Amazing Randi" on ANYTHING?  The guy FOOLS PEOPLE for a
> living!!!!!  How stooopid do you have to be to accept anything a guy
> like that says without some sort of other evidence?


Maybe because Randi TELLS you that it's a fake.


>>I dont think Benji wants us to know any facts but his TRUTH that there
>>is  a conspiracy.
>
> And here is the icing on the cake.  You are told EXACTLY what I
> "want". No, not by me, but by some third party with an agenda.


So now you believe that there were NO aliens at Roswell, and
that the government ISN'T involved in a cover up?

Seems to me that he hit the nail on the head.



> And now
> since this person claims to be a scientist (and hence would obviously
> be aware of the very principles I have been stating)

The only 'principle' that you've been stating, is
that you BELIEVE aliens are visiting the Earth
and the government is covering it up.

You have NO evidence, give citations from
long-exposed charlatans, and generally are making
a bufoon of yourself.