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From: honestjohn
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 01:58
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"ah" <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:45907175$0$25973$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
> honestjohn wrote:
> > "ah" <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:458faaa0$0$25963$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
> >> Phil Kyle wrote:
> >> > ah <splifingate@gmail.com> verbally sodomised  in
> >> > news:455915a4$0$25959$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:
> >> >
> >> >> Phil Kyle wrote:
> >> >>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> verbally sodomised  in
> >> >>> news:45550be4$0$25928$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Phil Kyle wrote:
> >> >>>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> verbally sodomised  in
> >> >>>>> news:4553b33f$0$25960$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Phil Kyle wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> verbally sodomised  in
> >> >>>>>>> news:454d1536$1$25954$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Phil Kyle wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> verbally sodomised  in
> >> >>>>>>>>> news:453ad37f$0$15892$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Real Friendit Naybourhood Wote Monger wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "ah" <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:45342108$0$15888$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Free Speech wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "ah" <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:4531d1ba$0$15908$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:59:18 -0500, "honestjohn"
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <honestjohn@centurytel.net>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in
message
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:8p5rg25son1qrqoqbmfje2spdiro2fc16k@4ax.com...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:40:17 -0500, "honestjohn"
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><honestjohn@centurytel.net>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >"Art Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >news:170920060905418868%erfc@netcabal.com...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Double-A <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:41:53 -0400, ah
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <splifingate@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Art Deco wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>Art Deco wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>Art Deco wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>Holly wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/11277554/modern
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >_t im es
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>Hi Alexa!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Hi Alexa!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>Hi Alexa!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>> Hi Alexa!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>Hi Alexa!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Hi Alexa!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Hi Alexa!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>fiat money
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>Taking recipes for roasted gold bullion.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Everyone is a terrorist suspect in the USA
now.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >:))))
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >The Meta Game:  US Response to losing control
to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >technological
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >advancement
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >By Ryan Singel| Also by this reporter
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >15:30 PM Sep, 13, 2006
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >A bill radically redefining and expanding the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >government's ability
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >eavesdrop and search the houses of U.S.
citizens
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >without court
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >approval
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >passed a key Senate committee Wednesday, and
may
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >be voted on by
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >full
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Senate as early as next week.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >By a 10-8 vote, the Senate Judiciary Committee
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >approved SB2453,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >National
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Security Surveillance Act (.pdf), which was
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >co-written by
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>committee's
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >chairman Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pennsylvania)
in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >concert with the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>White
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >House.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >The committee also passed two other
surveillance
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >measures,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>including
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >one
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), one
of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the few senators
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >be
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >briefed on the National Security Agency
program.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Feinstein's bill,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >which
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Specter co-sponsored before submitting another
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >bill, rebuffs the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >administration's legal arguments and all but
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >declares the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>warrantless
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >wiretapping illegal.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >In contrast, Specter's bill concedes the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >government's right to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wiretap
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Americans without warrants, and allows the
U.S.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Attorney General
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >authorize, on his own, dragnet surveillance of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Americans so long
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >stated purpose of the surveillance is to
monitor
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >suspected
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>terrorists
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >or
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >spies.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Lisa Graves, senior legislative counsel for
the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >American Civil
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Liberties
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Union, called the bill "stunning."
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >"The administration has taken their illegal
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >conduct in wiretapping
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Americans
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >without court orders, in violation of the
Foreign
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Intelligence
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Surveillance
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Act and the Constitution, and used it as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >springboard to not only
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>get
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >FISA
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >changed to allow the Terrorist Surveillance
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Program, but to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>actually,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >going
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >forward, not give protections to Americans'
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >privacy rights," Graves
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >said.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Jim Dempsey, the policy director for the more
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >moderate Center for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Democracy
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >and Technology, described the bill's passage
out
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >of committee as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >"light
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >years or miles beyond the Patriot Act."
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >"What started out as Sen. Specter wanting to
rein
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >in the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>president's
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >program
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >has turned on its head and is now not just a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >legislative
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ratification
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >of the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >program, but an expansion of warrantless
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >wiretapping of Americans,"
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Dempsey
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >said. "It would allow the NSA to turn its
vacuum
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >cleaners on even
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >domestic
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >phone calls and e-mails of citizens.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >"They do all of this in Alice in Wonderland
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >fashion by defining
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >all
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >kinds of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >categories of surveillance to be not
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >surveillance," said Dempsey.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Specter, who called NSA's warrantless
> > surveillance
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >a "festering
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sore
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >on our
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >body politic," champions his bill, since it
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >allows, but does nor
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >require,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the administration to submit the whole
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >surveillance program to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>review
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >by a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >secretive court. Specter says President Bush
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >promised to submit
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >NSA
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >program to the court, if the bill passes.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >The bill also strikes from U.S. law a
requirement
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >that all
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >surveillance of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >suspected spies and terrorists be done in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >accordance with FISA.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >But
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>an
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >aide
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >for Specter disputes that this radically
changes
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >FISA or the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>balance
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >powers: Specter considers this to be an update
to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >FISA that moves
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >law
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >toward where technology is now, according to
the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >aide, who spoke
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >on
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >background.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Bush has acknowledged the NSA program monitors
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Americans'
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >international
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >phone calls and e-mails without court
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >authorization, but says the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >program
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >only targets communications where one side or
the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >other has
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suspected
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >terrorist connections.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Feinstein says her briefings lead her to
believe
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the current system
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >needs
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >only minor changes, such as increasing the
number
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >of judges that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>issue
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >warrants.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >"I have been briefed on the
> > terrorist-surveillance
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >program, and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >I
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >come
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >to believe that this surveillance can be done,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >without sacrifice
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >our
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >national security, through court-issued
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >individualized warrants
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >content
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >collection on U.S. persons under the FISA
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >process," Feinstein said
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Wednesday
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >in a press release.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >That program has recently been declared
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >unconstitutional by a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>federal
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >judge
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >in Detroit, and is being challenged by more
than
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >20 lawsuits across
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >country.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >The bill:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Redefines surveillance so that only programs
that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >catch the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>substance
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >of a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >communication need oversight. Any government
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >surveillance that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >captures,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >analyzes and stores patterns of communications
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >such as phone
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>records,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >or
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >e-mail and website addresses, is no longer
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >considered surveillance.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Expands the section of law that allows the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >attorney general to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >authorize
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >spying on foreign embassies, so long as
there's
> > no
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >"substantial
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >likelihood"
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >that an American's communication would be
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >captured. Repeals the provision of federal law
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >that allows the government
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >unfettered
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >wiretapping and physical searches without
> > warrants
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >or notification
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >15
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >days after a declaration of war. The lack of
any
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >congressional
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >restraint on
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the president's wartime powers arguably puts
the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >president at the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >height,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >rather than the ebb, of his powers in any time
of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >war, even an
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >undeclared
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >one.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Repeals the provision of federal law that
limits
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the government's
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >wartime
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >powers to conduct warrantless wiretapping and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >physical searches
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >period
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >of 15 days after a declaration of war.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Repeals the provision of federal law that puts
a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >time limit on the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >government's wartime powers to conduct
> > warrantless
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >wiretapping and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >physical
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >searches against Americans. Under current law,
> > the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >president has
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >power
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >for only 15 days following a declaration of
war.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Allows the attorney general, or anyone he or
she
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >designates, to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >authorize
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >widespread domestic spying, such as monitoring
> > all
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>instant-messaging
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >systems
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >in the country, so long as the government
> > promises
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >to delete anythi
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ng
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >not
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >terrorism-related.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Moves all court challenges to the NSA
> > surveillance
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >program to a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >secretive
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >court in Washington, D.C., comprised of judges
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >appointed by the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chief
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Justice of the Supreme Court. Only government
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >lawyers would be
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>allowed
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the courtroom.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Allows the government to get warrants for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >surveillance programs
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >whole,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >instead of having to describe to a judge the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >particular persons
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >monitored and the methods to be used.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >A markup of the corresponding House bill,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >sponsored by Rep. Heather
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Wilson
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >(R-New Mexico) was scheduled for Wednesday,
but
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >was canceled.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Specter has moved to have his bill voted upon
> > next
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >week by voice
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vote,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >called a unanimous consent motion, according
to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >the ACLU's Graves.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Such a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >procedure would leave no record of who voted
for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >or against the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bill.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >>http://www.wired.com/news/technology/1%2C71778-0.ht
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >ml
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Humm, lessee....
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Top ten Reasons Why Any Idiot Would Volunteer
To
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Live In A Fascist
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Dictatorship:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 10.  1.2 children allowed
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 9.  Minimum wage is $5.25 per hour,  just
enough
> > to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> buy a gallon
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gas
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> after taxes.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 8.  Sending your children to be murdered in
wars
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> for oil in the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>middle
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >east
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 7.  Spending 250k for a college education, only
to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> find you're on
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >hit
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> list as an intellectual who is smarter than the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> entire US government
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 6.  Spending 450K for an apartment owned by a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> European bank who is
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >backing
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> your hard earned money with hegemony gained
from
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> financing your
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>house
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 5.  Everyone has a microwave and financed car
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 4.  You get to pay 3/5 of your annual salary
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> funding the US
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>treasury,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >which
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> is bankrupt
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 3.  Democracy means they want you to prop up
the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> entire economy
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>buying
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> trinkets made in China
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 2.  Peace is a treasonable offense
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <drum roll, maestro!>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 1.  If you don't go along with the above plan
for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> the New American
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Century
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> of Glory and Flag Waving, you get to spend all
of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> eternity in one
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Dickie's Concentration Camps, with 3 hots and a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> cot, like the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Katrina
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> victims.  Though it's looking more like they
just
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> gave them a tent
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>next
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> The Local Exxon Station.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> And....
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 0.  Queen Beatrix and Queen Elizabeth are out
of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> oil.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Did you realize you are smamming to 10 different
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >goups?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >You should get WebTV.  That will clip them right
> > off!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Double-A
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi, saucerhead!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Hi, Most mentally retarded Alpine Nazi Goat Humper!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To participate or to comment, contact Carl Osterwald,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Renewable
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Energy Lab, 1617 Cole Blvd., Golden, CO 80401-3393
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (303/384-6764; fax:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 303/384-6790).
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carl_osterwald@nrel.gov
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.astm.org/SNEWS/FEBRUARY_2000/solar.html
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YES...YES...YES...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you feel, well, encouraged knowing your
alternative
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy needs are
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being met by a front operation for the CIA which psyops
> > the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internet instead
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of actually planning for the loss of oil?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-ob.htm
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Especially considering you've been duped by people
vastly
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more knowledgeable
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than YOU.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really, kiddies.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, Alexa.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shim Skirtvan is a grandchild of Rothchild. And you will
die
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> When I do, at least I will have the comfort of knowing my
1/4
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> acre lot on the Shore of Lake Ozark will be evenly
> > distributed
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> amongst my children.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hiah, Who did you think you were saying hello to?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> My future.
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Hello
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Hello
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I don't know why
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I sold the Dodge
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Cos it was Dodgey.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I mis-took it as a Ram, and blundered the entire deal.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So it had terrible ramifications?
> >> >>
> >> >> You'll have to ask the other drivers.
> >> >
> >> > Can dead people speak?
> >>
> >> Sure.
> >>
> > "ah" is proof of that!
>
> You have no idea, Boy.
>
Glad to see you "came back" for just one more jab.
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