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Angrie.Woman wrote:
> ah wrote:
>> Angrie.Woman wrote:
>>> ah wrote:
>>>> Free Speech wrote:
>>>>> "ah" <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:4531d1ba$0$15908$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com...
>>>>>> http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:59:18 -0500, "honestjohn" 
>>>>>>> <honestjohn@centurytel.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "http://www.infowars.com/" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:8p5rg25son1qrqoqbmfje2spdiro2fc16k@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:40:17 -0500, "honestjohn"
>>>>>>>> <honestjohn@centurytel.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Art Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:170920060905418868%erfc@netcabal.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> Double-A <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.infowars.com/ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:41:53 -0400, ah <splifingate@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Art Deco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Art Deco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Art Deco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ah <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holly wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/11277554/modern_times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexa!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexa!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexa!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexa!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexa!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexa!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alexa!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiat money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taking recipes for roasted gold bullion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is a terrorist suspect in the USA now. :))))
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Meta Game:  US Response to losing control to technological
>>>>>>>>>> advancement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By Ryan Singel| Also by this reporter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15:30 PM Sep, 13, 2006
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A bill radically redefining and expanding the government's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eavesdrop and search the houses of U.S. citizens without court
>>>>>>>>>> approval
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed a key Senate committee Wednesday, and may be voted on by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senate as early as next week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By a 10-8 vote, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved SB2453, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> National
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Security Surveillance Act (.pdf), which was co-written by
>>>>>>>> committee's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chairman Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pennsylvania) in concert with the
>>>>>>>> White
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The committee also passed two other surveillance measures,
>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), one of the few 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> senators
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> briefed on the National Security Agency program. Feinstein's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specter co-sponsored before submitting another bill, rebuffs the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration's legal arguments and all but declares the
>>>>>>>> warrantless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiretapping illegal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast, Specter's bill concedes the government's right to
>>>>>>>> wiretap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans without warrants, and allows the U.S. Attorney General 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authorize, on his own, dragnet surveillance of Americans so long 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated purpose of the surveillance is to monitor suspected
>>>>>>>> terrorists
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lisa Graves, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil
>>>>>>>>>> Liberties
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Union, called the bill "stunning."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The administration has taken their illegal conduct in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiretapping
>>>>>>>>>> Americans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without court orders, in violation of the Foreign Intelligence
>>>>>>>>>> Surveillance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Act and the Constitution, and used it as springboard to not only
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> FISA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed to allow the Terrorist Surveillance Program, but to
>>>>>>>> actually,
>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward, not give protections to Americans' privacy rights," 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graves
>>>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Dempsey, the policy director for the more moderate Center 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> Democracy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Technology, described the bill's passage out of committee as
>>>>>>>>>> "light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years or miles beyond the Patriot Act."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "What started out as Sen. Specter wanting to rein in the
>>>>>>>> president's
>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has turned on its head and is now not just a legislative
>>>>>>>> ratification
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, but an expansion of warrantless wiretapping of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans,"
>>>>>>>>>> Dempsey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said. "It would allow the NSA to turn its vacuum cleaners on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone calls and e-mails of citizens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They do all of this in Alice in Wonderland fashion by defining 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> kinds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories of surveillance to be not surveillance," said 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dempsey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specter, who called NSA's warrantless surveillance a "festering
>>>>>>>> sore
>>>>>>>>>> on our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> body politic," champions his bill, since it allows, but does nor
>>>>>>>>>> require,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the administration to submit the whole surveillance program to
>>>>>>>> review
>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secretive court. Specter says President Bush promised to submit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> NSA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program to the court, if the bill passes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bill also strikes from U.S. law a requirement that all
>>>>>>>>>> surveillance of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspected spies and terrorists be done in accordance with FISA. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> aide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Specter disputes that this radically changes FISA or the
>>>>>>>> balance
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers: Specter considers this to be an update to FISA that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moves
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> toward where technology is now, according to the aide, who spoke 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bush has acknowledged the NSA program monitors Americans'
>>>>>>>>>> international
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone calls and e-mails without court authorization, but says 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only targets communications where one side or the other has
>>>>>>>> suspected
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist connections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feinstein says her briefings lead her to believe the current 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only minor changes, such as increasing the number of judges that
>>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I have been briefed on the terrorist-surveillance program, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe that this surveillance can be done, without sacrifice 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> national security, through court-issued individualized warrants 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection on U.S. persons under the FISA process," Feinstein 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>> Wednesday
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a press release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That program has recently been declared unconstitutional by a
>>>>>>>> federal
>>>>>>>>>> judge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Detroit, and is being challenged by more than 20 lawsuits 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bill:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Redefines surveillance so that only programs that catch the
>>>>>>>> substance
>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication need oversight. Any government surveillance that
>>>>>>>>>> captures,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analyzes and stores patterns of communications such as phone
>>>>>>>> records,
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail and website addresses, is no longer considered 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surveillance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Expands the section of law that allows the attorney general to
>>>>>>>>>> authorize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spying on foreign embassies, so long as there's no "substantial
>>>>>>>>>> likelihood"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that an American's communication would be captured.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Repeals the provision of federal law that allows the government
>>>>>>>>>> unfettered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiretapping and physical searches without warrants or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notification
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> 15
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days after a declaration of war. The lack of any congressional
>>>>>>>>>> restraint on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the president's wartime powers arguably puts the president at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> height,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than the ebb, of his powers in any time of war, even an
>>>>>>>>>> undeclared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Repeals the provision of federal law that limits the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government's
>>>>>>>>>> wartime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers to conduct warrantless wiretapping and physical searches 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> period
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 15 days after a declaration of war.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Repeals the provision of federal law that puts a time limit on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government's wartime powers to conduct warrantless wiretapping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> physical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> searches against Americans. Under current law, the president has
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for only 15 days following a declaration of war.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allows the attorney general, or anyone he or she designates, to
>>>>>>>>>> authorize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> widespread domestic spying, such as monitoring all
>>>>>>>> instant-messaging
>>>>>>>>>> systems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the country, so long as the government promises to delete 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anythi
>>>>>>>> ng
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorism-related.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moves all court challenges to the NSA surveillance program to a
>>>>>>>>>> secretive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> court in Washington, D.C., comprised of judges appointed by the
>>>>>>>> Chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justice of the Supreme Court. Only government lawyers would be
>>>>>>>> allowed
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the courtroom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allows the government to get warrants for surveillance programs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> whole,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of having to describe to a judge the particular persons 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitored and the methods to be used.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A markup of the corresponding House bill, sponsored by Rep. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather
>>>>>>>>>> Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (R-New Mexico) was scheduled for Wednesday, but was canceled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specter has moved to have his bill voted upon next week by voice
>>>>>>>> vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a unanimous consent motion, according to the ACLU's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graves.
>>>>>>>>>> Such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedure would leave no record of who voted for or against the
>>>>>>>> bill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/1%2C71778-0.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humm, lessee....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Top ten Reasons Why Any Idiot Would Volunteer To Live In A 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fascist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dictatorship:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.  1.2 children allowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.  Minimum wage is $5.25 per hour,  just enough to buy a gallon 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after taxes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.  Sending your children to be murdered in wars for oil in the
>>>>>>>> middle
>>>>>>>>>> east
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7.  Spending 250k for a college education, only to find you're on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list as an intellectual who is smarter than the entire US 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.  Spending 450K for an apartment owned by a European bank who 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> backing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hard earned money with hegemony gained from financing your
>>>>>>>> house
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.  Everyone has a microwave and financed car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  You get to pay 3/5 of your annual salary funding the US
>>>>>>>> treasury,
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is bankrupt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Democracy means they want you to prop up the entire economy
>>>>>>>> buying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trinkets made in China
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Peace is a treasonable offense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <drum roll, maestro!>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  If you don't go along with the above plan for the New 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>>>> Century
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Glory and Flag Waving, you get to spend all of eternity in one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dickie's Concentration Camps, with 3 hots and a cot, like the
>>>>>>>> Katrina
>>>>>>>>>>>>> victims.  Though it's looking more like they just gave them a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tent
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Local Exxon Station.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.  Queen Beatrix and Queen Elizabeth are out of oil.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you realize you are smamming to 10 different goups?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You should get WebTV.  That will clip them right off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Double-A
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, saucerhead!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Most mentally retarded Alpine Nazi Goat Humper!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To participate or to comment, contact Carl Osterwald, National 
>>>>>>>>> Renewable
>>>>>>>>> Energy Lab, 1617 Cole Blvd., Golden, CO 80401-3393 (303/384-6764; fax:
>>>>>>>>> 303/384-6790).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Email:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> carl_osterwald@nrel.gov
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.astm.org/SNEWS/FEBRUARY_2000/solar.html
>>>>>>>> YES...YES...YES...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't you feel, well, encouraged knowing your alternative energy needs 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> being met by a front operation for the CIA which psyops the internet 
>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>> of actually planning for the loss of oil?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-ob.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially considering you've been duped by people vastly more 
>>>>>>> knowledgeable
>>>>>>> than YOU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really, kiddies.
>>>>>> Hello, Alexa.
>>>>> Shim Skirtvan is a grandchild of Rothchild. And you will die eventually.
>>>> When I do, at least I will have the comfort of knowing my 1/4 acre lot on
>>>> the Shore of Lake Ozark will be evenly distributed amongst my children.
>>> Unless the local government decides they want to put a condo up to 
>>> improve their tax base.
>> 
>> Condoms are, uh, kinda frowned-upon 'round them parts.
> 
> Fucks up the dating pool, I'll bet.

A'yup.  Kindsa like the lottery, but with really good odds.
-- 
ah