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Aaron <chaaron@lave.net> wrote in message news:7pooce$2pj$1@mochi.lava.net...
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Thor <man@arms.com> wrote

>>>>> They only see, and understand what the native
>>>>> application's file/open window shows them.

>>>> And thats all they need.

>>> Oh really?

>> Yes, really, as far as your claims about needing to 'know DOS' are
>> concerned. It makes sense to teach them how to use the explorer
>> and the other explorer like approaches to the management of files on
>> their system. It makes absolutely no sense what so ever to be wasting
>> heaps of time teaching them how to do that stuff at the dos prompt.

>> The world's moved on, they're using Win for a reason. Time you woke up.

> Right, because it shows all those pretty pictures.

You thought that hoary old line up all by yourself did you ?

> What does that have to do with my partitions on my
> personal drives, in my personal PC, in my home?

Nothing. That comment was in response to
"Thor's" claim that Win users should 'know DOS'.

> I use DOS for many things, both just to play around, and to find information.

Your problem. You are obviously welcome to do anything you
like. Including stand on your head and whistle dixie while you
are doing it too if that turns you on. Got SFA to do with what was
being discussed there, whether it makes the slightest sense to be
teaching all the DOS prompt stuff to Win users today. It doesnt.

> And when I fix a customers computer, I use dos
> extensively when getting windows to work again.

Again, what you choose to do is your problem.

> Have you ever had a computer that would not even boot to safe mode?

Yep.

> If so, you would be so quick to dismiss DOS.

Guess again. I never dismissed DOS for that particular situation.
I only said anything about how much sense it makes to day to be
furiously bashing away on the keyboard at a DOS prompt in working
Wn9x system. And made snide remarks about those who havent even
been able to work out how to use doskey in that particular situation.

> Sounds like you haven't used the command line since August 1995.

You'd better better get your hearing checked if thats what it sounds like to you then.

Even you should be able to use deja and find an extensive discussion in
one of these groups on the format command to use when doing a clean
install of Win9x on a freshly formatted hard drive in the last few months.

>>> You are a fine example of "the dumbing down" of computer users.

>> You're a fine example of a dinosaur. There's always been some
>> of those in any subset of computing. I've seen it time after time after
>> time, with dinosaurs raving on about punched cards, line editors, holding
>> their noses at menus in things like 124 and Multiplan, etc etc etc.

> Right, and my mechanic is a dinosaur because he still insists on know how
> a carbuerator works, when we KNOW that all cars today are fuel injected.

You have one HELL of a problem with even the simplest logic dont
you ? Have a look at that sentence that uses the words dumbing
down. It ends with the words COMPUTER USERS. That is NOT
the same thing as someone who spends much of his time fixing
systems that cant even boot in safe mode. At least TRY to keep up.

> Ever notice how explaining many computer concepts
> can be simplified by using an analogy to an automobile?

Ever noticed how completely useless most analogys are ?  That one in spades.

>>> only that if a prior knowledge of DOS exists, it helps
>>> new windows users understand things much better, and
>>> grasp concepts of the file system much more clearly.

>> And that is just plain wrong with DOS prompt ops for normal Win users.
>> Complete waste of time teaching them that stuff. Much better to spend
>> that time teaching them how to use Win to do what they want to do.

> Then why is it taught with beginners Windows classes?

Usual problem with most courses, pathetically inadequate course
design with very little careful analysis of what should be taught.

>> Its distinctly arguable if it makes any sense to be teaching them
>> how to deal with a system that cant boot Win at all, even in safe
>> mode. Makes a lot more sense to just have a clear description
>> of how to handle that particular situation that they can use if
>> they are ever in that particular situation instead.

> What to do if computer will not boot up: Call Rod Speed and ask
> him if he know that number of a repair center, because god knows
> he can't fix it.  He won't lower himself to use the command prompt.

You've just made a complete fool of yourself again. Its completely
trivial to use deja to see where I have told people how to handle
that situation. And if you cant manage any better than this childish
stuff, I wont be bothering discussing it with you.

And a new Win user needs to know a hell of a lot more than
just the basic DOS prompt file ops to be able to return a PC
from the dead when it wont even boot in safe mode and it isnt
acceptible to just do a clean install from scratch anyway.