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Todd wrote in message ...
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>Rod Speed wrote in message ...
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>>Thor <man@arms.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> They only see, and understand what the native
>>>>> application's file/open window shows them.
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>>>> And thats all they need.
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>>> Oh really?
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>>Yes, really, as far as your claims about needing to 'know DOS' are
>>concerned. It makes sense to teach them how to use the explorer
>>and the other explorer like approaches to the management of files on
>>their system. It makes absolutely no sense what so ever to be wasting
>>heaps of time teaching them how to do that stuff at the dos prompt.
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>>The world's moved on, they're using Win for a reason. Time you woke up.

Right, because it shows all those pretty pictures.  What does that have
to do with my partitions on my personal drives, in my personal PC,
in my home?  I use DOS for many things, both just to play around,
and to find information.

And when I fix a customers computer, I use dos extensively when
getting windows to work again.  Have you ever had a computer
that would not even boot to safe mode?  If so, you would be so
quick to dismiss DOS.  Sounds like you haven't used the command
line since August 1995.

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>I wish you would. As long as your going to repeat yourself, so will I.
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>>> You are a fine example of "the dumbing down" of computer users.
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>>You're a fine example of a dinosaur. There's always been some
>>of those in any subset of computing. I've seen it time after time after
>>time, with dinosaurs raving on about punched cards, line editors, holding
>>their noses at menus in things like 124 and Multiplan, etc etc etc.

Right, and my mechanic is a dinosaur because he still insists on know
how a carbuerator works, when we KNOW that all cars today are
fuel injected.
Ever notice how explaining many computer concepts can be simplified
by using an analogy to an automobile?
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>Has nothing to with the topic of discussion.
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>>> You really should be using a Mac.
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>>You really should be using punched cards.
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>Has nothing to with the topic of discussion.
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>>> And I never said that general users should utilize DOS,
>>> or DOS windows instead of using windows itself,
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>>No one ever said you did.
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>Apparently that's what you imply by saying a drive label is not visible.
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>>> only that if a prior knowledge of DOS exists, it helps
>>> new windows users understand things much better, and
>>> grasp concepts of the file system much more clearly.
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>>And that is just plain wrong with DOS prompt ops for normal Win users.
>>Complete waste of time teaching them that stuff. Much better to spend
>>that time teaching them how to use Win to do what they want to do.
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>Then why is it taught with beginners Windows classes?
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>>Its distinctly arguable if it makes any sense to be teaching them
>>how to deal with a system that cant boot Win at all, even in safe
>>mode. Makes a lot more sense to just have a clear description
>>of how to handle that particular situation that they can use if
>>they are ever in that particular situation instead.

What to do if computer will not boot up: Call Rod Speed and ask
him if he know that number of a repair center, because god knows
he can't fix it.  He won't lower himself to use the command prompt.
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>That particular situation requires DOS knowledge.
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>>> And if you think it is so rare for windows to be broken
>>> to the point of not even operating in safe mode,
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>>Its rare for a particular user and thats what matters as far
>>as teaching them how to handle that situation is concerned.
>>With the much more practical alternative of a clear description
>>of what to do in that situation if they ever see it than teaching
>>them all about DOS prompt ops. Which they will have forgotten
>>by the time they need them anyway because they wont be using
>>them between the time you teach them that and they need it.
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>If all you teach a new user is DIR, DEL, COPY, then maybe. Go into more
>detail and it's very likely they would take notes.
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>>> than you clearly don't have much experience in repairing modern PC's.
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>>You have no idea at how many are laughing themselves sick at you now.
Let's see, you, ....    Did I mention you already?
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>Wrong. You have no idea...
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>>> In my business, I get one in the shop in that state probably twice a
>week.
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>>Says SFA about what makes sense with the training of a particular Win user.
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>>> And, I wouldn't even consider hiring anyone who calls him/herself
>>> a "technician" if they didn't have a good understanding of DOS.
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>>Got SFA to do with how to train Win users.
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>What is SFA already?
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>>> It is critical, crucial, and it is the foundation that windows is built
>upon.
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>>Completely and utterly irrelevant when what was being discussed
>>was the use of a FAT32 Win9x system thats working fine and how
>>much sense it makes to be furiously pounding away on the keyboard
>>at the DOS prompt in that sort of system today.
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>He has moved on, and so should you!!!
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