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thedockson <thedockson@lavabit.com> wrote in
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> Hello, I have to give some dvds to a client later or tomorrow and was
> going to use 7zip to create dvd sized chunks of files from a 25 gig
> folder, with thousand of files, but it wouldn't work, It would act
> like it's working but nothing gets created.
> 
> Tried to just highlight approx dvd size of files to be burned with
> win7 and that gave errors of size.
> 
> So I need a dvd program that will automatically size files to be
> burned to dvd and prompt for the next dvd until the process is
> finished.
> 
> A linux app would be doable if I installed linux or if a live cd would
> have an app that would be nice, but a free windows app would be
> better.
> 
> Thanks for suggestions.
> 
What exactly are you planning to write these files to? you *might* get a
5% reduction in size at most, just coppying the DVD's themselves is
just as good. Certainly you won't waste any time compressing files that
won't compress any more and dealing with running out of hard drive space
- which almost certainly is your problem. The only thing you're saving here
per DVD is the difference between the maximum capacity for a DVD - 4.3 GB
(if not blue ray) and the actual average size of these movies.

Most video and picture files *are* compressed. Any attempt to do more
will just waste peoples time and processor usage. DVD's are mpeg2
compression, jpeg's use lossy compression - more than you're ever likely
to get any other way. 

If you want to use this wasted space, use winrar with no compression. You'll
take less time, only lose at most 5% of compression and use all the disk
space on each DVD. And make them close session disks too BTW. Open session
disks are the most tempermental badly performing things in the entire
computer field.
-- 
(setq (chuck nil)  car(chuck) )

thedockson <thedockson@lavabit.com> wrote in
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> Hello, I have to give some dvds to a client later or
> tomorrow and was going to use 7zip to create dvd sized
> chunks of files from a 25 gig folder, with thousand of
> files, but it wouldn't work, It would act like it's working
> but nothing gets created. 
> 
> Tried to just highlight approx dvd size of files to be
> burned with win7 and that gave errors of size.
> 
> So I need a dvd program that will automatically size files
> to be burned to dvd and prompt for the next dvd until the
> process is finished.
> 
> A linux app would be doable if I installed linux or if a
> live cd would have an app that would be nice, but a free
> windows app would be better.

The first thing that you have to be aware of is the difference 
in the /claimed/ capacity and ACTUAL capacity. A 700MB CD-R 
actually holds up to 734,003 KB, possibly slightly more 
depending on manufacturer.

I don't own a DVD burner so I have never looked into DVD 
"numbers", but doing the math should be easy. Once you do, you 
will see why you are getting errors.

Personally, I would not attempt to have the program (ANY 
program) process 25 gigs and span several DVD's all in one 
session, while I'm sleeping. It MAY be possible, but so is 
getting a sex change. Not something I would like to experience 
the results of.

Many things are better done MANUALLY, I don't trust most 
software to do /everything/ it claims to be able to do, let 
alone /correctly/. It rarely does.

Re-organize the 25GB's. Divide into parts matching the capacity 
of your DVD's - but JUST IN CASE, divide your stuff into 
segments about 3-5% SMALLER. (Depending on material, compressing 
may end up almost the same size or in extreme cases actually ADD 
a few KB's here and there).

Make a bunch of directories and subdirectories paying attention 
to sizes and amount of levels. Try to keep it simple and 
transparent.

In my program, you just add directories (drag and drop) until 
you reach the capacity of the media. It may be the same in 
imgburn (see below).

Make an ISO (UDF for DVD?) file and burn from THAT. Use quality 
media and a slow burn speed. Make sure you verify the burned 
disc. 

Repeat until done. (You probably won't get it done by tomorrow, 
BTW.)

Also, 7-zip is a great format but I find the /program/ a little 
weird although is has some nice features. I prefer to use WinRAR 
which does 7-zip. Also, the gains in compression are not that 
significant. I would recommend sticking with zip or rar - but 
it's up to you.

Also, depending on what format the files are, compressing may be 
a waste of time - .jpg files for instance barely compress. while 
.doc files compress a LOT.

Anyway, it is your burning software (or a program like WinImage) 
that can create the ISO/UDF files needed to properly burn a disc 
- any good burning software can /burn/ the discs.

A program I don't use (I bought CDRWin from Goldenhawk so I am 
not trying any new free programs, I have made my investment and 
I am very happy with it) but which is supposed to be very good 
is imgburn. Free.

www.imgburn.com



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as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas 
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demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, 
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thanatoid wrote:
> thedockson <thedockson@lavabit.com> wrote in
> news:0d9e01cc-2ed7-452e-9220-50d5fe78742a@z33g2000vbb.googlegr
> oups.com:
>
> > Hello, I have to give some dvds to a client later or
> > tomorrow and was going to use 7zip to create dvd sized
> > chunks of files from a 25 gig folder, with thousand of
> > files, but it wouldn't work, It would act like it's working
> > but nothing gets created.
> >
> > Tried to just highlight approx dvd size of files to be
> > burned with win7 and that gave errors of size.
> >
> > So I need a dvd program that will automatically size files
> > to be burned to dvd and prompt for the next dvd until the
> > process is finished.
> >
> > A linux app would be doable if I installed linux or if a
> > live cd would have an app that would be nice, but a free
> > windows app would be better.
>
> The first thing that you have to be aware of is the difference
> in the /claimed/ capacity and ACTUAL capacity. A 700MB CD-R
> actually holds up to 734,003 KB, possibly slightly more
> depending on manufacturer.
>
> I don't own a DVD burner so I have never looked into DVD
> "numbers", but doing the math should be easy. Once you do, you
> will see why you are getting errors.
>
> Personally, I would not attempt to have the program (ANY
> program) process 25 gigs and span several DVD's all in one
> session, while I'm sleeping. It MAY be possible, but so is
> getting a sex change. Not something I would like to experience
> the results of.
>
> Many things are better done MANUALLY, I don't trust most
> software to do /everything/ it claims to be able to do, let
> alone /correctly/. It rarely does.
>
> Re-organize the 25GB's. Divide into parts matching the capacity
> of your DVD's - but JUST IN CASE, divide your stuff into
> segments about 3-5% SMALLER. (Depending on material, compressing
> may end up almost the same size or in extreme cases actually ADD
> a few KB's here and there).
>
> Make a bunch of directories and subdirectories paying attention
> to sizes and amount of levels. Try to keep it simple and
> transparent.
>
> In my program, you just add directories (drag and drop) until
> you reach the capacity of the media. It may be the same in
> imgburn (see below).
>
> Make an ISO (UDF for DVD?) file and burn from THAT. Use quality
> media and a slow burn speed. Make sure you verify the burned
> disc.
>
> Repeat until done. (You probably won't get it done by tomorrow,
> BTW.)
>
> Also, 7-zip is a great format but I find the /program/ a little
> weird although is has some nice features. I prefer to use WinRAR
> which does 7-zip. Also, the gains in compression are not that
> significant. I would recommend sticking with zip or rar - but
> it's up to you.

Yea I use 7zip for the aes encryption, it just didn't split the files
into DVD sized parts. Maybe I will just use a splitter type program.
Was just hoping to find a semi-automated one that burns also.

> Also, depending on what format the files are, compressing may be
> a waste of time - .jpg files for instance barely compress. while
> .doc files compress a LOT.

Yea these are thousands of zip files.

> Anyway, it is your burning software (or a program like WinImage)
> that can create the ISO/UDF files needed to properly burn a disc
> - any good burning software can /burn/ the discs.

I want to keep it simple in case the person isn't technically
inclined.

> A program I don't use (I bought CDRWin from Goldenhawk so I am
> not trying any new free programs, I have made my investment and
> I am very happy with it) but which is supposed to be very good
> is imgburn. Free.
>
> www.imgburn.com
>
>

I have burned thousands of cds, but I have win7 now and not quite sure
if a few things are bugs or intended to be features, laugh laugh
laugh.

thedockson <thedockson@lavabit.com> wrote in
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oups.com: 

<SNIP>

> Yea I use 7zip for the aes encryption, it just didn't split
> the files into DVD sized parts. Maybe I will just use a
> splitter type program. Was just hoping to find a
> semi-automated one that burns also. 

They do exist - imgburn may well be able to do it. AAMOF I think 
MY program does it (I just never had the need, also, I prefer 
the manual approach), but you still have to wake up to put in 
the next disc!

Also, you can encrypt the files using a stand-alone encryption 
program and THEN compress (or just make and burn the ISO). Or 
use ANOTHER compressor with encryption. But I believe in one 
best tool for each job, so I would do all these things 
separately.

>> Also, depending on what format the files are, compressing
>> may be a waste of time - .jpg files for instance barely
>> compress. while .doc files compress a LOT.
> 
> Yea these are thousands of zip files.

Well... it's a little obvious isn't it? Compressing a zip file 
isn't going to give you /anything/. I tried it once out of 
curiosity. IIRC it was either 0 or .05% added compression - MAY 
have in fact made a LARGER file since the new compression info 
has to go SOMEWHERE.

>> Anyway, it is your burning software (or a program like
>> WinImage) that can create the ISO/UDF files needed to
>> properly burn a disc - any good burning software can
>> /burn/ the discs. 
> 
> I want to keep it simple in case the person isn't
> technically inclined.

Exactly. But for a p. who i.t.i., /YOU/ have to make it simple, 
which means you may have to do some /complicated/ stuff. Isn't 
it great how that works?

>> A program I don't use (I bought CDRWin from Goldenhawk so
>> I am not trying any new free programs, I have made my
>> investment and I am very happy with it) but which is
>> supposed to be very good is imgburn. Free.
>>
>> www.imgburn.com
>>
> I have burned thousands of cds, but I have win7 now and not
> quite sure if a few things are bugs or intended to be
> features, laugh laugh laugh.

Bugs and features are synonymous in Microsoft's reality. IMO, no 
MS OS is actually usable until after it has been declared no 
longer supported. That means they have stopped fucking around 
with it and all good software for it (ie not made by MS - I use 
NO MS software except the heavily-tweaked OS) should /finally/ 
work right.

Get a crucifix sprinkled with some holy water or even better, 
upgrade to 98SELite (which is what I use with NO problems of ANY 
kind) or at least XP.

CDRWin is free but only at 1x speed. You just drag'n'drop until 
it tells you "no more" (actually it's a line graph indicating 
amt. of material selected Vs. media capacity).

It's not going to hurt anything to burn at 1x, but it will take 
some time. So you can use that. 
But try imgburn (free at all speeds - which does not mean you 
should burn at fast speeds) first, it is said to combine the 
best of CDRWin with the best of some other supposedly great 
burning program the name of which I do not recall.


-- 
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, 
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas 
most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it 
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, 
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.
 - Arthur Schopenhauer

I'd try this newsgroup alt.comp.periphs.cdr and ask for Sam Hong.

thedockson wrote:

> Hello, I have to give some dvds to a client later or tomorrow and was
> going to use 7zip to create dvd sized chunks of files from a 25 gig
> folder, with thousand of files, but it wouldn't work, It would act
> like it's working but nothing gets created.
>
> Tried to just highlight approx dvd size of files to be burned with
> win7 and that gave errors of size.
>
> So I need a dvd program that will automatically size files to be
> burned to dvd and prompt for the next dvd until the process is
> finished.
>
> A linux app would be doable if I installed linux or if a live cd would
> have an app that would be nice, but a free windows app would be
> better.
>
> Thanks for suggestions.

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On 29/05/2010 6:56 AM, thedockson wrote:
> Hello, I have to give some dvds to a client later or tomorrow and was
> going to use 7zip to create dvd sized chunks of files from a 25 gig
> folder, with thousand of files, but it wouldn't work, It would act
> like it's working but nothing gets created.
>
> Tried to just highlight approx dvd size of files to be burned with
> win7 and that gave errors of size.
>
> So I need a dvd program that will automatically size files to be
> burned to dvd and prompt for the next dvd until the process is
> finished.
>
> A linux app would be doable if I installed linux or if a live cd would
> have an app that would be nice, but a free windows app would be
> better.
>
> Thanks for suggestions.

SizeMe
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/SizeMe.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/SizeMe-Screenshot-24703.html
http://lars.werner.no/wordpress/?page_id=2
http://lars.werner.no/?p=34
SizeMe makes it possible to scan a directory and compare it to how many 
floppy/zip/CD-R/DVD-discs you need. (Many calls it spanning or span of 
elements over a medium). It tries to fill each disc up as much as 
possible, and gives you the result on each disc.

cd_create
http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/Data-CD-DVD-Burning/cd-create.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/cd-create-Screenshot-76951.html
http://abi.e-arroyo.net/projects/edc/
cd_create is a software that will allow users to easily burn CD/DVD media.
What makes this project different than all of the other media burning 
programs? Well, cd_create is written in Java. In hindsight, it would 
have been much easier if I would have written it in bash or perl, but I 
didn't. I was also attracted to the idea of portability, but that turned 
out to be a bit of a headache sometimes...
Here are some key features of "cd create":
� Media spanning

On Fri, 28 May 2010 15:56:42 -0700, thedockson wrote:

> Hello, I have to give some dvds to a client later or tomorrow and was
> going to use 7zip to create dvd sized chunks of files from a 25 gig
> folder, with thousand of files, but it wouldn't work, It would act like
> it's working but nothing gets created.
> 
> Tried to just highlight approx dvd size of files to be burned with win7
> and that gave errors of size.
> 
> So I need a dvd program that will automatically size files to be burned
> to dvd and prompt for the next dvd until the process is finished.
> 
> A linux app would be doable if I installed linux or if a live cd would
> have an app that would be nice, but a free windows app would be better.
> 
> Thanks for suggestions.

If you want to use a regular archive application I think you will have to 
separate the archive creation from the burning process as you have been 
trying with 7zip.

Along the same lines you could try Peazip, although it 
"chunks" (backup.zip.001 ...backup.zip.002 etc) the archive same a 7zip 
so it might not work either. 7zip should work and possibly lack of memory 
or free disk space is stopping the process.
http://peazip.sourceforge.net/
It does have presets for common sizes and a portable version you could 
give to your client for unpacking.

Otherwise a regular backup application, haven't tried this but it is free.
http://www.acebackup.com/

IMHO the more complicated you make things the more chance of something 
going wrong. I would be very tempted to select and burn the files 
straight to dvd(s). Most burning applications will tell you how full the 
disk is going to be and dvd media is cheap.

There are a few things in linux, 
luckybackup http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/
and dkopp http://kornelix.squarespace.com/dkopp/

but by the time you figure out 'howto' you could have the job done in 
windows as a straight copy.


-- 
rich

On Sat, 29 May 2010 20:19:34 +1000, Andy wrote:

> FFS - just buy a 32GB thumb drive, copy the files to it and save
> yourself a day of fucking around.

Please keep sensible suggestions out of alt.comp.freeware!!!!!

If we want to waste a week trying to save �15 That's our business!!!!!

Fascist!!!!!

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Assigned to protect you. You've been targeted for denigration! 

Andy <nospam@> wrote in
news:ma67d7-2q7.ln1@fully.qualified.domain.name: 

<SNIP>

> FFS - just buy a 32GB thumb drive, copy the files to it and
> save yourself a day of fucking around.

Excellent suggestion.

>> The first thing that you have to be aware of is the
>> difference in the /claimed/ capacity and ACTUAL capacity.
>> A 700MB CD-R actually holds up to 734,003 KB, possibly
>> slightly more depending on manufacturer.
>>
>> I don't own a DVD burner so I have never looked into DVD 
>> "numbers", 
> 
> Not into 'cutting edge' technology, eh?

DVD is hardly "cutting edge". I own 2 DVD players which I only 
use to play MP3's on.

I never felt the need to use DVD's in computing. Perhaps once 
Blu-Ray passes the test of a longer period of time, and the 
CD/DVD/BR burners come down in price, I may venture there. There 
is something to be said about having 1 disc instead of 40 or 45, 
but 1 instead of 6 or 7 never /really/ seemed worth the bother.

BTW, I do not own a single USB device either!



-- 
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, 
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas 
most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it 
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, 
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.
 - Arthur Schopenhauer

Or buy a blu-ray burner and some blanks that are 50 gigabytes apiece. If
the other sap doesn't have a blu-ray reader well at least the person
burning them should impress the client.

Andy wrote:

> thanatoid wrote:
>
> > thedockson <thedockson@lavabit.com> wrote in
> > news:0d9e01cc-2ed7-452e-9220-50d5fe78742a@z33g2000vbb.googlegr
> > oups.com:
> >
> >> Hello, I have to give some dvds to a client later or
> >> tomorrow and was going to use 7zip to create dvd sized
> >> chunks of files from a 25 gig folder, with thousand of
> >> files, but it wouldn't work, It would act like it's working
> >> but nothing gets created.
> >>
> >> Tried to just highlight approx dvd size of files to be
> >> burned with win7 and that gave errors of size.
> >>
> >> So I need a dvd program that will automatically size files
> >> to be burned to dvd and prompt for the next dvd until the
> >> process is finished.
> >>
> >> A linux app would be doable if I installed linux or if a
> >> live cd would have an app that would be nice, but a free
> >> windows app would be better.
>
> FFS - just buy a 32GB thumb drive, copy the files to it and save
> yourself a day of fucking around.
>
> > The first thing that you have to be aware of is the difference
> > in the /claimed/ capacity and ACTUAL capacity. A 700MB CD-R
> > actually holds up to 734,003 KB, possibly slightly more
> > depending on manufacturer.
> >
> > I don't own a DVD burner so I have never looked into DVD
> > "numbers",
>
> Not into 'cutting edge' technology, eh?
>
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John Matthews wrote:
> On 29/05/2010 6:56 AM, thedockson wrote:
> > Hello, I have to give some dvds to a client later or tomorrow and was
> > going to use 7zip to create dvd sized chunks of files from a 25 gig
> > folder, with thousand of files, but it wouldn't work, It would act
> > like it's working but nothing gets created.
> >
> > Tried to just highlight approx dvd size of files to be burned with
> > win7 and that gave errors of size.
> >
> > So I need a dvd program that will automatically size files to be
> > burned to dvd and prompt for the next dvd until the process is
> > finished.
> >
> > A linux app would be doable if I installed linux or if a live cd would
> > have an app that would be nice, but a free windows app would be
> > better.
> >
> > Thanks for suggestions.
>
> SizeMe
> http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/System-Info/SizeMe.shtml
> http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/SizeMe-Screenshot-24703.html
> http://lars.werner.no/wordpress/?page_id=2
> http://lars.werner.no/?p=34
> SizeMe makes it possible to scan a directory and compare it to how many
> floppy/zip/CD-R/DVD-discs you need. (Many calls it spanning or span of
> elements over a medium). It tries to fill each disc up as much as
> possible, and gives you the result on each disc.

Hi John, sizeme I did run across but was wanting a 'do everything for
me app' but installed that. Pretty functional while being simple. I
navigated to the folder I created and selected as the output. and was
able to right click and use the native win7 burner, it worked but for
some reason it seemed to be missing files in the output while
reporting what the actual size should be. Maybe it's me or my windows
install in the end.

> cd_create
> http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/Data-CD-DVD-Burning/cd-create.shtml
> http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/cd-create-Screenshot-76951.html
> http://abi.e-arroyo.net/projects/edc/
> cd_create is a software that will allow users to easily burn CD/DVD media.
> What makes this project different than all of the other media burning
> programs? Well, cd_create is written in Java. In hindsight, it would
> have been much easier if I would have written it in bash or perl, but I
> didn't. I was also attracted to the idea of portability, but that turned
> out to be a bit of a headache sometimes...
> Here are some key features of "cd create":
> � Media spanning

cdcreate looks easy to burn cd/dvds, while organizing space to burn on-
the-fly, but it didn't recognize my dvd drive.

Not saying there is anything wrong with these software's, it is
definitely on my side somewhere.

Thanks for the suggestions.

On Sat, 29 May 2010 01:15:11 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
<waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

>thedockson <thedockson@lavabit.com> wrote in
>news:32a49469-a84a-4215-8429-bdb5ffadef45@c22g2000vbb.googlegr
>oups.com: 
>
><SNIP>
>
>> Yea I use 7zip for the aes encryption, it just didn't split
>> the files into DVD sized parts. Maybe I will just use a
>> splitter type program. Was just hoping to find a
>> semi-automated one that burns also. 
>
>They do exist - imgburn may well be able to do it. AAMOF I think 
>MY program does it (I just never had the need, also, I prefer 
>the manual approach), but you still have to wake up to put in 
>the next disc!

That's a very good point. I have a Centurion DiskHub which is a disk
storage unit with a built in DVD burner. It could load a disk into the
drive and back to the carousel under software control but I don't know
if suitable software exists.

Barry <god_freee_gones@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:kvub069hrc7ajpd2smd62b0oh64lfeufs0@4ax.com: 

> On Sat, 29 May 2010 01:15:11 +0000 (UTC), thanatoid
> <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>thedockson <thedockson@lavabit.com> wrote in
>>news:32a49469-a84a-4215-8429-bdb5ffadef45@c22g2000vbb.google
>>gr oups.com: 
>>
>><SNIP>
>>
>>> Yea I use 7zip for the aes encryption, it just didn't
>>> split the files into DVD sized parts. Maybe I will just
>>> use a splitter type program. Was just hoping to find a
>>> semi-automated one that burns also. 
>>
>>They do exist - imgburn may well be able to do it. AAMOF I
>>think MY program does it (I just never had the need, also,
>>I prefer the manual approach), but you still have to wake
>>up to put in the next disc!
> 
> That's a very good point. I have a Centurion DiskHub which
> is a disk storage unit with a built in DVD burner. It could
> load a disk into the drive and back to the carousel under
> software control but I don't know if suitable software
> exists. 

If they made the unit, it would be strange (although not unheard 
of) that there would be NO software. Didn't you get the software 
with the unit? Anyway... IF it exists, Google should help... Or 
the manuf. website.

Here, various software packages below. I can't believe at least 
SOME did not come WITH the unit:

http://www.centurion-cd.com/e-shop

Personally, I would still do it manually... Nice toy, though, if 
you can afford it.


-- 
Of course, it is no easy matter to be polite; in so far, I mean, 
as it requires us to show great respect for everybody, whereas 
most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it 
demands that we should feign the most lively interest in people, 
when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.
 - Arthur Schopenhauer