🚀 go-pugleaf

Not normally, it sounds like you inserted it properly and should have
worked.  A DIMM won't go in backwards without breaking something due to its
off centre notch.

Some extreme thoughts are:

1.    The DIMM sockets are a little dodgy and your insertion technique
(maybe the side you end up pushing in first etc) causes the socket to fail,
where as your supplier inserted it differently and snatched it.

2.    Did he use the same DIMM socket as you were?  If not the socket you
were using could be dodgy and the one he used is fine.  Most boards now can
take DIMMs in pretty much any order, but maybe your board with that RAM
would only work by the book with it starting in the first bank

3.    Did he do it in front of you?  If not perhaps to save face he swapped
it for a different module while in the "back room".

4.    Pushing too hard? who knows, maybe you had to be a bit more gentle
with your boards sockets, it doesn't take too much force to put them in.

Great to hear the problem is resolved anyway.  Make an omelette.

--
     Guy Barwood BE (Hon) BSC MCP
       Dilithium Computing P/L
     http://www.dilithium.com.au
      dilithium@dilithium.com.au
 Ph +61-3-9749-5366 | Fax +61-3-9749-5066
               ICQ 1548474

"Barry Ward" <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote in message news:3a541536@grissom...
> I have had 2 very embarassing moments at my local computer parts supplier
> recently.
>
> I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN AX3S based machine
> with 128 meg PC133 RAM.
> Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work. Took the
RAM
> back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.
>
> Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and it
> worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my face.
> Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the
machine
> and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls it
.
> WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!
>
> So what the hell am I doing wrong. I had pushed the RAM into the DIMM
> sockets as hard as I could and the end clips were absolutely in place -
> completely clicked into the notches in the dimm ends.
>
> Is there a trick here somewhere?
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
>

The best way I have found to insert the chip is while the board is on the
table. I have also noticed that some ram chips fit tighter than others.
Different makes. Before I put the board in the case I put the ram, video and
connect the floppy. I then hook up an extra power supply and see if I can
get the board to boot. I'll put the keyboard and mouse in also. Saves a lot
of time. Then if you put the board in the case and it doesn't boot start
cussing. Just kidding, look around for a bad ground, bad cable, improperly
installed cable.....you get the idea.
"Barry Ward" <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote in message news:3a541536@grissom...
> I have had 2 very embarassing moments at my local computer parts supplier
> recently.
>
> I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN AX3S based machine
> with 128 meg PC133 RAM.
> Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work. Took the
RAM
> back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.
>
> Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and it
> worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my face.
> Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the
machine
> and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls it
.
> WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!
>
> So what the hell am I doing wrong. I had pushed the RAM into the DIMM
> sockets as hard as I could and the end clips were absolutely in place -
> completely clicked into the notches in the dimm ends.
>
> Is there a trick here somewhere?
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
>

Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote
in message news:3a541536@grissom...

> I have had 2 very embarassing moments at
> my local computer parts supplier recently.

> I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN
> AX3S based machine with 128 meg PC133 RAM.

> Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work.
> Took the RAM back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.

> Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and
> it worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my face.
> Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the machine
> and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls it .
> WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!

> So what the hell am I doing wrong. I had pushed the RAM into the
> DIMM sockets as hard as I could and the end clips were absolutely
> in place - completely clicked into the notches in the dimm ends.

> Is there a trick here somewhere?

Nope. Maybe it just doesnt reliably recognise that ram for some reason.

Have you had a look in deja to see if that particular motherboard is
unusually fussy about the ram its happy with ?  Some of the AOpens are.

Corse there is a remote possibility he's a scam artist too. Are you
confident that he isnt ?  In other words he didnt use the dimms he gave
you and he knows that the dimms he gave you dont work in all motherboards.

I had the same problem with Abit BH6 and some generic memory. Not much you
can do about it, just ask for a different memory brand.

"Barry Ward" <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote in message news:3a541536@grissom...
> I have had 2 very embarassing moments at my local computer parts supplier
> recently.
>
> I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN AX3S based machine
> with 128 meg PC133 RAM.
> Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work. Took the
RAM
> back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.
>
> Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and it
> worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my face.
> Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the
machine
> and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls it
.
> WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!
>
> So what the hell am I doing wrong. I had pushed the RAM into the DIMM
> sockets as hard as I could and the end clips were absolutely in place -
> completely clicked into the notches in the dimm ends.
>
> Is there a trick here somewhere?
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
>

More likely he was too gentle. Happens all the time with beginners.

Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:nnV46.4944$l02.10999@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
> Not normally, it sounds like you inserted it properly and should have
> worked.  A DIMM won't go in backwards without breaking something due to
its
> off centre notch.
>
> Some extreme thoughts are:
>
> 1.    The DIMM sockets are a little dodgy and your insertion technique
> (maybe the side you end up pushing in first etc) causes the socket to
fail,
> where as your supplier inserted it differently and snatched it.
>
> 2.    Did he use the same DIMM socket as you were?  If not the socket you
> were using could be dodgy and the one he used is fine.  Most boards now
can
> take DIMMs in pretty much any order, but maybe your board with that RAM
> would only work by the book with it starting in the first bank
>
> 3.    Did he do it in front of you?  If not perhaps to save face he
swapped
> it for a different module while in the "back room".
>
> 4.    Pushing too hard? who knows, maybe you had to be a bit more gentle
> with your boards sockets, it doesn't take too much force to put them in.
>
> Great to hear the problem is resolved anyway.  Make an omelette.
>
> --
>      Guy Barwood BE (Hon) BSC MCP
>        Dilithium Computing P/L
>      http://www.dilithium.com.au
>       dilithium@dilithium.com.au
>  Ph +61-3-9749-5366 | Fax +61-3-9749-5066
>                ICQ 1548474
>
> "Barry Ward" <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote in message
news:3a541536@grissom...
> > I have had 2 very embarassing moments at my local computer parts
supplier
> > recently.
> >
> > I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN AX3S based
machine
> > with 128 meg PC133 RAM.
> > Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work. Took the
> RAM
> > back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.
> >
> > Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and
it
> > worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my
face.
> > Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the
> machine
> > and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls
it
> .
> > WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!
> >
> > So what the hell am I doing wrong. I had pushed the RAM into the DIMM
> > sockets as hard as I could and the end clips were absolutely in place -
> > completely clicked into the notches in the dimm ends.
> >
> > Is there a trick here somewhere?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
>
>

You have to push it in until you hear a slight click. Beginners are usually
to gentle.

Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote in message news:3a541536@grissom...
> I have had 2 very embarassing moments at my local computer parts supplier
> recently.
>
> I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN AX3S based machine
> with 128 meg PC133 RAM.
> Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work. Took the
RAM
> back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.
>
> Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and it
> worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my face.
> Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the
machine
> and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls it
.
> WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!
>
> So what the hell am I doing wrong. I had pushed the RAM into the DIMM
> sockets as hard as I could and the end clips were absolutely in place -
> completely clicked into the notches in the dimm ends.
>
> Is there a trick here somewhere?
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
>

deecups <deecups@bigone.com> wrote in message
news:9325ui$es8$1@coco.singnet.com.sg...

> More likely he was too gentle. Happens all the time with beginners.

On the other hand he does say the clips come right up.

> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
> message news:nnV46.4944$l02.10999@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
> > Not normally, it sounds like you inserted it properly and should have
> > worked.  A DIMM won't go in backwards without breaking something due to
> its
> > off centre notch.
> >
> > Some extreme thoughts are:
> >
> > 1.    The DIMM sockets are a little dodgy and your insertion technique
> > (maybe the side you end up pushing in first etc) causes the socket to
> fail,
> > where as your supplier inserted it differently and snatched it.
> >
> > 2.    Did he use the same DIMM socket as you were?  If not the socket you
> > were using could be dodgy and the one he used is fine.  Most boards now
> can
> > take DIMMs in pretty much any order, but maybe your board with that RAM
> > would only work by the book with it starting in the first bank
> >
> > 3.    Did he do it in front of you?  If not perhaps to save face he
> swapped
> > it for a different module while in the "back room".
> >
> > 4.    Pushing too hard? who knows, maybe you had to be a bit more gentle
> > with your boards sockets, it doesn't take too much force to put them in.
> >
> > Great to hear the problem is resolved anyway.  Make an omelette.
> >
> > --
> >      Guy Barwood BE (Hon) BSC MCP
> >        Dilithium Computing P/L
> >      http://www.dilithium.com.au
> >       dilithium@dilithium.com.au
> >  Ph +61-3-9749-5366 | Fax +61-3-9749-5066
> >                ICQ 1548474
> >
> > "Barry Ward" <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3a541536@grissom...
> > > I have had 2 very embarassing moments at my local computer parts
> supplier
> > > recently.
> > >
> > > I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN AX3S based
> machine
> > > with 128 meg PC133 RAM.
> > > Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work. Took the
> > RAM
> > > back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.
> > >
> > > Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and
> it
> > > worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my
> face.
> > > Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the
> > machine
> > > and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls
> it
> > .
> > > WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!
> > >
> > > So what the hell am I doing wrong. I had pushed the RAM into the DIMM
> > > sockets as hard as I could and the end clips were absolutely in place -
> > > completely clicked into the notches in the dimm ends.
> > >
> > > Is there a trick here somewhere?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Barry
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:15:56 +1000, "Barry Ward" <baz@powerup.com.au>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>I have had 2 very embarassing moments at my local computer parts supplier
>recently.
>
>I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN AX3S based machine
>with 128 meg PC133 RAM.
>Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work. Took the RAM
>back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.
>
>Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and it
>worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my face.
>Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the machine
>and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls it .
>WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!

This is a common problem with some PC-chips motherboards, including my
own M571 and a friend's M577.

The DIMM sockets are just too tight and require quite a lot of force.
To avoid bending/breaking your motherboard, pack it underneath with
some doubled up cardboard, or something similar. I have stuck some
rubber feet from an old keyboard under mine.


-- Franc Zabkar

Please remove one 'e' from my address when replying by email.

Remembering the last time I installed my ram, had been having trouble with
it so I decided to push harder.  It really surprised me when the end clips
snapped into place without being pushed there by me.  Took quite a bit of
pressure to make 'em do that too.  Maybe you need to push harder.
I disclame any blame / credit  for broken mobos, broken DIMMs or skined
fingers.    : )

Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a544937$1@news.iprimus.com.au...
|
| Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote
| in message news:3a541536@grissom...
|
| > I have had 2 very embarassing moments at
| > my local computer parts supplier recently.
|
| > I bought all the bits necessary for a Celeron 700 AOPEN
| > AX3S based machine with 128 meg PC133 RAM.
|
| > Installed everything fine -- but couldn't get the RAM to work.
| > Took the RAM back and got some more -- couldn't get it to work.
|
| > Took the RAM into the supplier and he installed it into his machine and
| > it worked perfectly. I crept out of his office with a lot of egg on my
face.
| > Installed it back in my machine -- still it doesn't work!  Take the
machine
| > and all into his shop this time -- he pulls the RAM out and reinstalls
it .
| > WORKS PERFECTLY!! --Lots more egg on my face!!
|
| > So what the hell am I doing wrong. I had pushed the RAM into the
| > DIMM sockets as hard as I could and the end clips were absolutely
| > in place - completely clicked into the notches in the dimm ends.
|
| > Is there a trick here somewhere?
|
| Nope. Maybe it just doesnt reliably recognise that ram for some reason.
|
| Have you had a look in deja to see if that particular motherboard is
| unusually fussy about the ram its happy with ?  Some of the AOpens are.
|
| Corse there is a remote possibility he's a scam artist too. Are you
| confident that he isnt ?  In other words he didnt use the dimms he gave
| you and he knows that the dimms he gave you dont work in all motherboards.
|
|
|

"Tommy Mathis" <mathis@cyou.com> wrote in message
news:93j4di$j7t$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Remembering the last time I installed my ram, had been having trouble with
> it so I decided to push harder.  It really surprised me when the end clips
> snapped into place without being pushed there by me.  Took quite a bit of
> pressure to make 'em do that too.  Maybe you need to push harder.
> I disclame any blame / credit  for broken mobos, broken DIMMs or skined
> fingers.    : )

Well, I have to admit that when I tried to install my DIMMs , I only pushed
them in so far and then used the end clips to clip them in.  But when I took
the machine back to the dealer , I noticed that he actually put them in with
1 hand -- whereas when I did it , it seemed to me that 2 hands were needed.

Your explanation sounds good to me --- push harder!!

Barry

I've always just pushed until they clip in themselves, motherboards are
pretty tough, I've never heard of anyone snapping one (or the DIMM for that
matter) while trying to install DIMMs.

Though I stand to be corrected

Adam

Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote in message news:3a5d514c@grissom...
>
> "Tommy Mathis" <mathis@cyou.com> wrote in message
> news:93j4di$j7t$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Remembering the last time I installed my ram, had been having trouble
with
> > it so I decided to push harder.  It really surprised me when the end
clips
> > snapped into place without being pushed there by me.  Took quite a bit
of
> > pressure to make 'em do that too.  Maybe you need to push harder.
> > I disclame any blame / credit  for broken mobos, broken DIMMs or skined
> > fingers.    : )
>
> Well, I have to admit that when I tried to install my DIMMs , I only
pushed
> them in so far and then used the end clips to clip them in.  But when I
took
> the machine back to the dealer , I noticed that he actually put them in
with
> 1 hand -- whereas when I did it , it seemed to me that 2 hands were
needed.
>
> Your explanation sounds good to me --- push harder!!
>
> Barry
>
>

Adam Sutton <csyas@comp.leeds.ac.uk> wrote
in message news:Wus76.157$I5.6088@stones...

> I've always just pushed until they clip in themselves,

Yeah, thats the best approach. I thought thats what Barry meant initially,
that appeared to be what he had said he had done. He only later said
that he actually used the clips to help the dimm into the slot.

> motherboards are pretty tough, I've never heard of anyone snapping one

Some can end up pretty unsupported under the dimm sockets.
Safer to support the motherboard if thats the case.

> (or the DIMM for that matter)

Yeah, you're not likely to snap them putting them into the socket.

I find it hard to believe that even a real klutz would manage to put it in
reversed, but I have seen someone do that with a VGA video connector.

> while trying to install DIMMs.

> Though I stand to be corrected

More at the bottom.


> Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote
>> Tommy Mathis <mathis@cyou.com> wrote

>>> Remembering the last time I installed my ram, had been
>>> having trouble with it so I decided to push harder.  It really
>>> surprised me when the end clips snapped into place without
>>> being pushed there by me.  Took quite a bit of pressure to make
>>> 'em do that too.  Maybe you need to push harder. I disclame any
>>> blame / credit  for broken mobos, broken DIMMs or skined fingers.    : )

>> Well, I have to admit that when I tried to install my DIMMs ,
>> I only pushed them in so far and then used the end clips to
>> clip them in.  But when I took the machine back to the dealer ,
>> I noticed that he actually put them in with 1 hand -- whereas
>> when I did it , it seemed to me that 2 hands were needed.

>> Your explanation sounds good to me --- push harder!!

And presumably the originals were just a tad longer or thicker and
thats why the are harder to get into the sockets than the second one.

In article <3a5e63c4@news.iprimus.com.au>,
  "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Adam Sutton <csyas@comp.leeds.ac.uk> wrote
> in message news:Wus76.157$I5.6088@stones...

> > (or the DIMM for that matter)
>
> Yeah, you're not likely to snap them putting them into the socket.
>
> I find it hard to believe that even a real klutz would manage to put
it in
> reversed, but I have seen someone do that with a VGA video connector.
>

Amusing: I've heard of someone reversing a Molex power connection to a
hard drive - he's a big tough Aussie bloke.  Well, the hard drive was
absolutely fried.  Circa 1995.

--
Nick Bishop
-----
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-oOo-


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Nick Bishop <nick4mony@my-deja.com> wrote in
message news:9464bj$gaf$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Adam Sutton <csyas@comp.leeds.ac.uk> wrote

>>> (or the DIMM for that matter)

>> Yeah, you're not likely to snap them putting them into the socket.

>> I find it hard to believe that even a real klutz would manage to put it in
>> reversed, but I have seen someone do that with a VGA video connector.

> Amusing: I've heard of someone reversing
> a Molex power connection to a hard drive

Yeah, seen one of those too. Different fella.

> - he's a big tough Aussie bloke.

This one isnt that big and tough.

> Well, the hard drive was absolutely fried.

Yeah, this one was too.

> Circa 1995.

Saw one klutz who 'worked' for DEC put a PDP-11 board in backwards.
Even harder to do than with a dimm. Blew the side right out of some ICs |-)

That bugger replaced a bloody great power transformer in a
massive great drum printer, which had every single terminal
numbered, and every wire numbered. And managed to stuff
that up too. Rather spectacular that one was.

My girlfriend always says to "push harder"

Hope that helps,
J.


Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/

We Aussie blokes are all big & tough!! :)

sTu.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:01:08 GMT, Nick Bishop <nick4mony@my-deja.com> 
wrote:

>In article <3a5e63c4@news.iprimus.com.au>,
>  "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Adam Sutton <csyas@comp.leeds.ac.uk> wrote
>> in message news:Wus76.157$I5.6088@stones...
>
>> > (or the DIMM for that matter)
>>
>> Yeah, you're not likely to snap them putting them into the socket.
>>
>> I find it hard to believe that even a real klutz would manage to put
>it in
>> reversed, but I have seen someone do that with a VGA video connector.
>>
>
>Amusing: I've heard of someone reversing a Molex power connection to a
>hard drive - he's a big tough Aussie bloke.  Well, the hard drive was
>absolutely fried.  Circa 1995.
>
>--
>Nick Bishop
>-----
>Change my-deja to bigfoot to reply by email
>-oOo-
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com
>http://www.deja.com/

<murdochjem@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:947hc6$nmc$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> My girlfriend always says to "push harder"
>
> Hope that helps,
> J.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/

guess you've got a Jag as well..... ;(((

Geee my girlfriend says to me  "Is it in yet"   :-)

<murdochjem@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:947hc6$nmc$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> My girlfriend always says to "push harder"
>
> Hope that helps,
> J.