🚀 go-pugleaf

Depends on the branch.

I found that the stupid cow in the Sydney branch was a terminal
fuckwit who would deliberately ignore my instructions and do
whatever she felt like doing. On a number of ocassions.

The Briz branch was fine on a number of ocassions.

Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Below is a copy of an email I sent to Umart regarding some components I intend to buy for my new system.

> Further below is their reply, which didn't seem to answer any of the questions I asked (well, all but one)

> It seems they might be reluctant to detail freight & other costs prior to purchase?

Yeah, that was the problem I had, the stupid cow ignored my instructions
to add the cost of the freight to the visa charge. She kept charging the cost
of the goods to the visa and sending it COD for the freight, even when I
sent her the url of the APO freight calculator so she only had to insert the
weight and see what the freight cost would be. She appeared to do it that
way because it was a bit easier for her, even tho I told her a number of
times that I didnt want it done that way, because I had to show up at the
post office to pay the COD charge, whereas if she added the freight cost
to the visa charge, it would be delivered with no action on my part.

> I find it really annoying to have asked seemingly simple questions to get such a lame reponse!

Yeah, bet its the same stupid cow.

> Has anyone got any positive or negative dealings with Umart they care to share with me before I spend almost $3k with 
> them?

Wouldnt dream of it.

> (BTW, any comments on the system?)

Interleaved.

> Email as sent to sales Manager.............


> Hi,
>
> I have a few questions regarding an order I wish to place with you.
> I intend to purchase the components for a complete system.

> How much is the freight to the NSW Central Coast (Post Code 2263)?
> Does the freight charge include insurance?

She's too stupid to even use the APO calculator,
even when you send her the url for it in the email.

I didnt even want to know the freight cost, just wanted
it added to the total and charged to the visa.

> Do you offer a build/assembly service for the components I intend to buy, if yes, cost?

> I am after the Intel E8400 CPU which seems out of stock in your shop, can you provide an accurate time for delivery, 
> or are you able to transfer one from another of your shops to complete this order?

You're welcome to deal directly with one of the other ones if you want.

> Thanking you in advance

> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX (omitted for obvious reasons)
> XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX

>      Product Quantity Price Gst Total
>      Microsoft Windows XP PRO (OEM)    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00

Why bother to pay for it ?

>      Panasonic 1.44 Floppy(black)    $15.00  $1.36  $15.00
>      Samsung 400G 7200RPM SATAII    $105.00  $9.55  $105.00

I never buy anything else now drive wise.

>      Samsung 22 226BW Wide TFT Monitor - Black 2ms Digital / Analog Interf $399.00  $36.27  $399.00
>      Antec 850W TruePower Quattro ATX & EPS 12V Power Supply, Modular Cable $270.00  $24.55  $270.00
>      Antec P182 Performance One Black ATX Mid Tower - NO PSU   $195.00 $17.73  $195.00
>      Logitech G9 Laser Gaming Mouse USB    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00

Those too. Tho I havent use one of those, mine are MX700s.

>      Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 X38 1600MHz FSB DDR2-1066MHz 2 x PCI Express x16 S $344.00  $31.27  $344.00

I'm not that rapt in gigabyte myself. They tend to release the motherboards too early,
before all the warts have been removed, and you get lots of revs showing up later and
its tough titty for you if the rev fixes something important and you got an earlier one.

>      Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 2GB    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>      Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00

Never had any problems with my logitech keyboards except that the lettering
wears off the most commonly used keys, but then so does everyone else's
and Microsoft isnt prepared to cover that under their warranty. I was going
to fuck MS over using the ACCC on that, but managed to cripple myself
just as the warranty ran out so didnt get a chance to do that.

Logitech did claim that thats covered by their warranty, and I have had the
lettering wear off on two of them, but havent gotten around to holding them
to their warranty, remains to be seen what they do when it comes to the crunch.

>      Gigabyte NX8800GT 512MB DDR3 PCIEx16 HDCP 2xDVI-I HDTV    $359.00 $32.64  $359.00
>      LG H20NS10 SATA 20X+- Super Multi DVD Rewriter Black with Software $39.00  $7.09  $78.00

I always stick with the LGs for burners now, much more tolerant of media than many.

>      Intel ATX E8400 CORE 2 DUO /3.0GHz/6MB/1333FSB/LGA775    $299.00 $27.18  $299.00
>      Total $245.45 $2700.00

> And the reply..........

> hi,

> the cost is depend on the size and the weight and the location

Stupid cow.

> yes, the freight charge include insurance
> yes, we do offer a system build,

> if you need anyinformation please feel free to contact our sales
> staff so we can help you 33693928

> Kind Regards
> Andrew

OK, clearly not the cow herself.

> All prices quoted are for the Internet cash price. To pay using Visa,
> Mastercard or Bank Card is a 3% surcharge. Payments via EFTPOS, Direct deposit, BPAY and Cheque are considered to be 
> cash.

> OPENING HOURS
> Mon-Friday : 9am-5pm
> Saturday 9am-4pm

> Open late night Thursday for pick up only until 8pm

> Not open Sundays

Gotta grovel to some god or other. 

"Dazza" <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote in message 
news:NqTqj.12509$421.11758@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Below is a copy of an email I sent to Umart regarding some components I 
> intend to buy for my new system.
> Further below is their reply, which didn't seem to answer any of the 
> questions I asked (well, all but one)
> It seems they might be reluctant to detail freight & other costs prior to 
> purchase?
> I find it really annoying to have asked seemingly simple questions to get 
> such a lame reponse!
>
> Has anyone got any positive or negative dealings with Umart they care to 
> share with me before I spend almost $3k with them?
>
> (BTW, any comments on the system?)
>
> Email as sent to sales Manager.............
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a few questions regarding an order I wish to place with you.
> I intend to purchase the components for a complete system.
>
> How much is the freight to the NSW Central Coast (Post Code 2263)?
> Does the freight charge include insurance?
> Do you offer a build/assembly service for the components I intend to buy, 
> if yes, cost?
>
> I am after the Intel E8400 CPU which seems out of stock in your shop, can 
> you provide an accurate
> time for delivery, or are you able to transfer one from another of your 
> shops to complete this order?
>
>
> Thanking you in advance
>
>
> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX (omitted for obvious reasons)
> XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX
>
>      Product Quantity Price Gst Total
>      Microsoft Windows XP PRO (OEM)    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>      Panasonic 1.44 Floppy(black)    $15.00  $1.36  $15.00
>      Samsung 400G 7200RPM SATAII    $105.00  $9.55  $105.00
>      Samsung 22 226BW Wide TFT Monitor - Black 2ms Digital / Analog Interf 
> $399.00  $36.27  $399.00
>      Antec 850W TruePower Quattro ATX & EPS 12V Power Supply, Modular 
> Cable $270.00  $24.55  $270.00
>      Antec P182 Performance One Black ATX Mid Tower - NO PSU    $195.00 
> $17.73  $195.00
>      Logitech G9 Laser Gaming Mouse USB    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00
>      Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 X38 1600MHz FSB DDR2-1066MHz 2 x PCI Express x16 
> S $344.00  $31.27  $344.00
>      Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 2GB    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>      Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00
>      Gigabyte NX8800GT 512MB DDR3 PCIEx16 HDCP 2xDVI-I HDTV    $359.00 
> $32.64  $359.00
>      LG H20NS10 SATA 20X+- Super Multi DVD Rewriter Black with Software 
> $39.00  $7.09  $78.00
>      Intel ATX E8400 CORE 2 DUO /3.0GHz/6MB/1333FSB/LGA775    $299.00 
> $27.18  $299.00
>      Total $245.45 $2700.00
>
>
>
> And the reply..........
>
>
> hi,
>
> the cost is depend on the size and the weight and the location
> yes, the freight charge include insurance
> yes, we do offer a system build,
>
> if you need anyinformation please feel free to contact our sales staff so 
> we can help you 33693928
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Andrew
>
> All prices quoted are for the Internet cash price. To pay using Visa, 
> Mastercard or Bank Card is a 3% surcharge. Payments via EFTPOS, Direct 
> deposit, BPAY and Cheque are considered to be cash.
>
> OPENING HOURS
> Mon-Friday : 9am-5pm
> Saturday 9am-4pm
>
> Open late night Thursday for pick up only until 8pm
>
> Not open Sundays
>
I have bought many items from Umart.  And Umart have always been good to 
deal with when I have a warranty issue.

I have only dealt with the Milton Bris, and have always picked up my 
purchases.

I have two complaints
1.  It is impossible to get an estimated freight charge if I want delivery. 
This would be what I choose because parking is a nightmare for pickups.
2.  3% for Mastercard/Visa is a ripoff.  Umart has a major turnover.  I 
would think that Mastercard/Visa costs to them is 1%

Regards

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:55:17 +1100 "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> but managed to cripple myself

You in a wheelchair Roddles?

Dazza wrote:
> Below is a copy of an email I sent to Umart regarding some components I 
> intend to buy for my new system.
> Further below is their reply, which didn't seem to answer any of the 
> questions I asked (well, all but one)
> It seems they might be reluctant to detail freight & other costs prior to 
> purchase?
> I find it really annoying to have asked seemingly simple questions to get 
> such a lame reponse!
> 
> Has anyone got any positive or negative dealings with Umart they care to 
> share with me before I spend almost $3k with them?
> 
> (BTW, any comments on the system?)
> 
> Email as sent to sales Manager.............
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a few questions regarding an order I wish to place with you.
> I intend to purchase the components for a complete system.
> 
> How much is the freight to the NSW Central Coast (Post Code 2263)?
> Does the freight charge include insurance?
> Do you offer a build/assembly service for the components I intend to buy, if 
> yes, cost?
> 
> I am after the Intel E8400 CPU which seems out of stock in your shop, can 
> you provide an accurate
> time for delivery, or are you able to transfer one from another of your 
> shops to complete this order?
> 
> 
> Thanking you in advance
> 
> 
> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX (omitted for obvious reasons)
> XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX
> 
>       Product Quantity Price Gst Total
>       Microsoft Windows XP PRO (OEM)    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>       Panasonic 1.44 Floppy(black)    $15.00  $1.36  $15.00
>       Samsung 400G 7200RPM SATAII    $105.00  $9.55  $105.00
>       Samsung 22 226BW Wide TFT Monitor - Black 2ms Digital / Analog Interf 
> $399.00  $36.27  $399.00
>       Antec 850W TruePower Quattro ATX & EPS 12V Power Supply, Modular Cable 
> $270.00  $24.55  $270.00
>       Antec P182 Performance One Black ATX Mid Tower - NO PSU    $195.00 
> $17.73  $195.00
>       Logitech G9 Laser Gaming Mouse USB    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00
>       Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 X38 1600MHz FSB DDR2-1066MHz 2 x PCI Express x16 S 
> $344.00  $31.27  $344.00
>       Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 2GB    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>       Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00
>       Gigabyte NX8800GT 512MB DDR3 PCIEx16 HDCP 2xDVI-I HDTV    $359.00 
> $32.64  $359.00
>       LG H20NS10 SATA 20X+- Super Multi DVD Rewriter Black with Software 
> $39.00  $7.09  $78.00
>       Intel ATX E8400 CORE 2 DUO /3.0GHz/6MB/1333FSB/LGA775    $299.00 
> $27.18  $299.00
>       Total $245.45 $2700.00
> 
> 
> 
> And the reply..........
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> the cost is depend on the size and the weight and the location
> yes, the freight charge include insurance
> yes, we do offer a system build,
> 
> if you need anyinformation please feel free to contact our sales staff so we 
> can help you 
> 

The size and weight will change depending on whether the system is 
assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and shipped. I 
suggest you just email them back and ask for a shipping quote once you 
decide how you want the items. If you're not serious about buying from 
them, like most buyers, then don't waste their time. If you are, then 
reply to their email and ask for clarification. I've been happy with my 
dealings with them.

Ari

-- 
spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please 
volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

spodosaurus wrote:
>
> 
> The size and weight will change depending on whether the system is 
> assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and shipped. I 
> suggest you just email them back and ask for a shipping quote once you 
> decide how you want the items. If you're not serious about buying from 
> them, like most buyers, then don't waste their time. If you are, then 
> reply to their email and ask for clarification. I've been happy with my 
> dealings with them.
> 
> Ari
> 

PS - I used one of the QLD stores, heard too many bad things about the 
Sydney branch (apaprently Rod can attest to the problems there).

Ari

-- 
spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please 
volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Depends on the branch.

>> I found that the stupid cow in the Sydney branch was a terminal
>> fuckwit who would deliberately ignore my instructions and do
>> whatever she felt like doing. On a number of ocassions.

>> The Briz branch was fine on a number of ocassions.

>> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote:

>>> Below is a copy of an email I sent to Umart regarding
>>> some components I intend to buy for my new system.

>>> Further below is their reply, which didn't seem to answer
>>> any of the questions I asked (well, all but one)

>>> It seems they might be reluctant to detail freight & other costs
>>> prior to purchase?

>> Yeah, that was the problem I had, the stupid cow ignored my instructions
>> to add the cost of the freight to the visa charge. She kept charging the cost
>> of the goods to the visa and sending it COD for the freight, even when I
>> sent her the url of the APO freight calculator so she only had to insert the
>> weight and see what the freight cost would be. She appeared to do it that
>> way because it was a bit easier for her, even tho I told her a number of
>> times that I didnt want it done that way, because I had to show up at the
>> post office to pay the COD charge, whereas if she added the freight cost
>> to the visa charge, it would be delivered with no action on my part.

>>> I find it really annoying to have asked seemingly simple questions
>>> to get such a lame reponse!

>> Yeah, bet its the same stupid cow.

>>> Has anyone got any positive or negative dealings with Umart they
>>> care to share with me before I spend almost $3k with them?

>> Wouldnt dream of it.

> maybe not but this interchange has rattled me.

It didnt me, I stopped using the sydney branch after that stupid cow did
that to me twice, and used the briz branch instead and that worked fine.

> There's an awful lot to be said for paypal and costs up front

Trouble is that that was before anyone was accepting
paypal for hardware sales, except on ebay.

> even if it does ease a bit of a surcharge out of you.

The use of visa almost always did with anyone except the likes of Dick Smith too.

And is a lot easier to use if they claim they shipped it and didnt too.

>>> (BTW, any comments on the system?)

>> Interleaved.

>>> Email as sent to sales Manager.............

>>> Hi,

>>> I have a few questions regarding an order I wish to place with you.
>>> I intend to purchase the components for a complete system.

>>> How much is the freight to the NSW Central Coast (Post Code 2263)?
>>> Does the freight charge include insurance?

>> She's too stupid to even use the APO calculator,
>> even when you send her the url for it in the email.

>> I didnt even want to know the freight cost, just wanted
>> it added to the total and charged to the visa.

>>> Do you offer a build/assembly service for the components I intend to buy, if yes, cost?

>>> I am after the Intel E8400 CPU which seems out of stock in your shop,
>>> can you provide an accurate time for delivery, or are you able to transfer
>>> one from another of your shops to complete this order?

>> You're welcome to deal directly with one of the other ones if you want.

>>> Thanking you in advance

>>> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX (omitted for obvious reasons)
>>> XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX

>>>      Product Quantity Price Gst Total
>>>      Microsoft Windows XP PRO (OEM)    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00

>> Why bother to pay for it ?

> Maybe he likes being frustrated?

Mad.

>>>      Panasonic 1.44 Floppy(black)    $15.00  $1.36  $15.00
>>>      Samsung 400G 7200RPM SATAII    $105.00  $9.55  $105.00

>> I never buy anything else now drive wise.

> Nor me for the last few years. Currently waiting for delivery of a
> 750gb jobbo since i'm getting quite low on storage room again.

Yeah, been toying with the idea of making up another PVR with a pair of 1GB
drives and a pair of PCIe Digital Now digital TV capture cards so I can have it
just record everything on 4 channels and I can sort out what I want to bother
watching when I come home after being away for a week or two etc.

Currently I program what I want recorded in advance and thats
not convenient when I want to be away for a week or two etc.

> Luckily over the years drive size has increased at
> about the same rate as the amount i want to store.

Yeah, me too, tho it isnt always the best $/GB.

>>>      Samsung 22 226BW Wide TFT Monitor - Black 2ms Digital / Analog
>>>      Interf $399.00  $36.27  $399.00 Antec 850W TruePower Quattro
>>>      ATX & EPS 12V Power Supply, Modular Cable $270.00  $24.55
>>>      $270.00 Antec P182 Performance One Black ATX Mid Tower - NO
>>> PSU   $195.00 $17.73  $195.00 Logitech G9 Laser Gaming Mouse USB
>>> $99.00  $9.00  $99.00

>> Those too. Tho I havent use one of those, mine are MX700s.

> I recently bought my 1st laser mouse, a real el-cheapo job but i think more will follow.

Yeah, I'd never go back to balled mice again, and never use corded mice again either.

>>>      Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 X38 1600MHz FSB DDR2-1066MHz 2 x PCI
>>> Express x16 S $344.00  $31.27  $344.00

>> I'm not that rapt in gigabyte myself. They tend to release the
>> motherboards too early, before all the warts have been removed, and
>> you get lots of revs showing up later and its tough titty for you if
>> the rev fixes something important and you got an earlier one.

>>>      Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 2GB    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00

I should have said that I'd get the supplier to assemble at least the motherboard,
cpu and ram and run a decent checker on that to make sure the motherboard
likes the ram and use what they recomment ram wise instead if it doesnt like it.

These DDR2 systems are still much too twitchy ram wise.

>>>      Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00

>> Never had any problems with my logitech keyboards except that the lettering
>> wears off the most commonly used keys, but then so does everyone else's
>> and Microsoft isnt prepared to cover that under their warranty. I was going
>> to fuck MS over using the ACCC on that, but managed to cripple myself
>> just as the warranty ran out so didnt get a chance to do that.

> I'm a keyboard man myself and lettering always wears
> out, but like everything they're cheap to replace.

I got sick of that once I changed to cordless keyboards and mice.

> That crippling was probably that heart transplant,
> they must have found another cold black one ;)

Nar, I managed to do that with a chainsaw. Cant believe I was actually that stupid.

Wasnt permanent, but it was a mobility problem just when the warranty expired.

I didnt care that much about it since it was a corded keyboard and I had
changed over to cordless keyboards and mice by then and I was only
going to monster MS on the warranty because I was royally pissed off
that they were arseholes enough to claim that it wasnt covered by the
warranty and I rather enjoy fucking over arseholes that try stunts like that.

>> Logitech did claim that thats covered by their warranty, and I have had the
>> lettering wear off on two of them, but havent gotten around to holding them
>> to their warranty, remains to be seen what they do when it comes to the crunch.

>>>      Gigabyte NX8800GT 512MB DDR3 PCIEx16 HDCP 2xDVI-I HDTV
>>>      $359.00 $32.64  $359.00 LG H20NS10 SATA 20X+- Super Multi DVD
>>> Rewriter Black with Software $39.00  $7.09  $78.00

>> I always stick with the LGs for burners now, much more tolerant of media than many.

> Yeah LG have been the gun optical drives for a while but i think i may give
> samsung another go next time. I think they've picked up their act on opticals.

>>>      Intel ATX E8400 CORE 2 DUO /3.0GHz/6MB/1333FSB/LGA775
>>>      $299.00 $27.18  $299.00 Total $245.45 $2700.00

>>> And the reply..........

>>> hi,

>>> the cost is depend on the size and the weight and the location

>> Stupid cow.

>>> yes, the freight charge include insurance
>>> yes, we do offer a system build,

>>> if you need anyinformation please feel free to contact
>>> our sales staff so we can help you 33693928

>>> Kind Regards
>>> Andrew

>> OK, clearly not the cow herself.

> Very hard word. I'd be more inclined to soften the "c" by replacing it with an "s"

I actually talked to the stupid cow on the phone. Chinese.

Guess sow is a bit more appropriate with a chinese |-)

>>> All prices quoted are for the Internet cash price. To pay using Visa,
>>> Mastercard or Bank Card is a 3% surcharge. Payments via EFTPOS,
>>> Direct deposit, BPAY and Cheque are considered to be cash.

>>> OPENING HOURS
>>> Mon-Friday : 9am-5pm
>>> Saturday 9am-4pm

>>> Open late night Thursday for pick up only until 8pm

>>> Not open Sundays

>> Gotta grovel to some god or other.

> It's time some of the people groveled to some of the other gods,
> that rain god has been buggering the cricket a bit too much of late.

When the hospital asked me what religion I was, I said I was heathen.

She just smiled and I discovered later that she had put athiest in instead |-) 

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message 
news:foi7m8$2mbf$2@otis.netspace.net.au...
> spodosaurus wrote:
>>
>>
>> The size and weight will change depending on whether the system is 
>> assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and shipped. I 
>> suggest you just email them back and ask for a shipping quote once you 
>> decide how you want the items. If you're not serious about buying from 
>> them, like most buyers, then don't waste their time. If you are, then 
>> reply to their email and ask for clarification. I've been happy with my 
>> dealings with them.
>>
>> Ari
>>
>
> PS - I used one of the QLD stores, heard too many bad things about the 
> Sydney branch (apaprently Rod can attest to the problems there).
>
> Ari
>
> -- 
> spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
> Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please 
> volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
> http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> http://www.marrow.org/

The email I sent to them was to the Sale Manager in the Qld head office at 
Milton.
Part of the reason for asking wether they could assemble the parts was to 
reduce the freight charges, as it should then be only one box instead of 
many.
The email I sent them included all the items I wanted, copied from their own 
website shopping cart, so they knew exactly what needed to be assembled or 
shipped.
Now I guess I did assume they would provide me with a quote based on the 
items I selected, either assembled or not.
I do understand they would get many emails from ppl who would be wasting 
their time, I'm self employed & the same happens to me.
That doesn't mean I can choose to not answer any questions or provide a 
quotation.

As I did not get an answer from them regarding the CPU, I have since bought 
an Intel E8400 on ebay, & will buy other things on ebay now.
These are items they could have sold to me by answering a couple of simple 
straight forward questions.


Dazza

Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>> spodosaurus wrote

>>> The size and weight will change depending on whether the system is
>>> assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and shipped. I
>>> suggest you just email them back and ask for a shipping quote once
>>> you decide how you want the items. If you're not serious about
>>> buying from them, like most buyers, then don't waste their time. If
>>> you are, then reply to their email and ask for clarification. I've
>>> been happy with my dealings with them.
>>>
>>> Ari
>>>
>>
>> PS - I used one of the QLD stores, heard too many bad things about
>> the Sydney branch (apaprently Rod can attest to the problems there).
>>
>> Ari
>>
>> --
>> spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
>> Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant.
>> Please volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's
>> life: http://www.abmdr.org.au/
>> http://www.marrow.org/

> The email I sent to them was to the Sale Manager in the Qld head office at Milton.

> Part of the reason for asking wether they could assemble the parts was to reduce the freight charges, as it should 
> then be only one box instead of many.

I've ever seen anyone do anything else than ship in more than two boxes, one
for the monitor and one for everything else, even when they arent assembled.

> The email I sent them included all the items I wanted, copied from their own website shopping cart, so they knew 
> exactly what needed to be assembled or shipped.

I guess its not too surprising that they didnt bother to try to calculate the total weight
when you hadnt yet decided whether it was going to be assembled by them or not.

> Now I guess I did assume they would provide me with a quote based on the items I selected, either assembled or not.

I'd personally let the person decide that before bothering with a
formal quote on the shipping cost unless they pay a fixed rate etc.

> I do understand they would get many emails from ppl who would be
> wasting their time, I'm self employed & the same happens to me.

> That doesn't mean I can choose to not answer any questions or provide a quotation.

> As I did not get an answer from them regarding the CPU, I have since
> bought an Intel E8400 on ebay, & will buy other things on ebay now.

Thats likely to end up costing you more in freight than you would have paid umart.

> These are items they could have sold to me by answering a couple of simple straight forward questions.

Sure, but most dont religiously answer all the questions in an email,
essentially because its too much work when so many of the emails
dont result in a sale, and even when they do, you've got to remember
that any operation like that is working on very slim margins and making
a profit with that type of operation is minimising the effort that has to
be put into making each sale. 

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:614lgbF1tb0f0U1@mid.individual.net...
> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>>> spodosaurus wrote
>
>>>> The size and weight will change depending on whether the system is
>>>> assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and shipped. I
>>>> suggest you just email them back and ask for a shipping quote once
>>>> you decide how you want the items. If you're not serious about
>>>> buying from them, like most buyers, then don't waste their time. If
>>>> you are, then reply to their email and ask for clarification. I've
>>>> been happy with my dealings with them.
>>>>
>>>> Ari
>>>>
>>>
>>> PS - I used one of the QLD stores, heard too many bad things about
>>> the Sydney branch (apaprently Rod can attest to the problems there).
>>>
>>> Ari
>>>
>>> --
>>> spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
>>> Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant.
>>> Please volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's
>>> life: http://www.abmdr.org.au/
>>> http://www.marrow.org/
>
>> The email I sent to them was to the Sale Manager in the Qld head office 
>> at Milton.
>
>> Part of the reason for asking wether they could assemble the parts was to 
>> reduce the freight charges, as it should then be only one box instead of 
>> many.
>
> I've ever seen anyone do anything else than ship in more than two boxes, 
> one
> for the monitor and one for everything else, even when they arent 
> assembled.

A very simple thing to quote on then eh?

>> The email I sent them included all the items I wanted, copied from their 
>> own website shopping cart, so they knew exactly what needed to be 
>> assembled or shipped.
>
> I guess its not too surprising that they didnt bother to try to calculate 
> the total weight
> when you hadnt yet decided whether it was going to be assembled by them or 
> not.

Rubbish!
As if they don't know what the items weigh, they do this all the time don't 
they?
I asked for a price on assembly which they declined to quote & an assembled 
system would take up much less cubic's than individual items packaged in a 
large box & I'm sure they would have a std cost for freight of assembled 
systems.

>> Now I guess I did assume they would provide me with a quote based on the 
>> items I selected, either assembled or not.
>
> I'd personally let the person decide that before bothering with a
> formal quote on the shipping cost unless they pay a fixed rate etc.

If they had quoted me on assembly I could have decided, but I'm not about to 
agree to an unknown cost.

>> I do understand they would get many emails from ppl who would be
>> wasting their time, I'm self employed & the same happens to me.
>
>> That doesn't mean I can choose to not answer any questions or provide a 
>> quotation.
>
>> As I did not get an answer from them regarding the CPU, I have since
>> bought an Intel E8400 on ebay, & will buy other things on ebay now.
>
> Thats likely to end up costing you more in freight than you would have 
> paid umart.

Less, the CPU was cheaper including freight than their list price without 
freight.
Same for the GPU, Ram, HDD, keyboard, mouse & OS.
I cant find the MB, monitor, case or PSU just yet but no doubt i will.

>> These are items they could have sold to me by answering a couple of 
>> simple straight forward questions.
>
> Sure, but most dont religiously answer all the questions in an email,
> essentially because its too much work when so many of the emails
> dont result in a sale, and even when they do, you've got to remember
> that any operation like that is working on very slim margins and making
> a profit with that type of operation is minimising the effort that has to
> be put into making each sale.
>
And a lost sale was worth...??
Based on what others are selling the same items for on ebay, they would have 
made a fair profit.
Which is maybe why they aren't bothered by the prospect of losing a $2700.00 
sale.

Lets not miss the point here...they didn't answer a single one of my 
questions.
Simply to reply with a std cut & paste reply isn't good enough in my books.
However, they do get credit for actually replying all the same.

Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>>>> spodosaurus wrote

>>>>> The size and weight will change depending on whether the system is
>>>>> assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and shipped. I
>>>>> suggest you just email them back and ask for a shipping quote once
>>>>> you decide how you want the items. If you're not serious about
>>>>> buying from them, like most buyers, then don't waste their time.
>>>>> If you are, then reply to their email and ask for clarification.
>>>>> I've been happy with my dealings with them.

>>>> PS - I used one of the QLD stores, heard too many bad things about
>>>> the Sydney branch (apaprently Rod can attest to the problems there).

>>> The email I sent to them was to the Sale Manager in the Qld head office at Milton.

>>> Part of the reason for asking wether they could assemble the parts was to reduce the freight charges, as it should 
>>> then be only one box instead of many.

>> I've ever seen anyone do anything else than ship in more than two boxes, one
>> for the monitor and one for everything else, even when they arent assembled.

> A very simple thing to quote on then eh?

Depends on whether they are paying by weight or not.

Thats how Aust Post charges for that sort of parcel.

>>> The email I sent them included all the items I wanted, copied from their own website shopping cart, so they knew 
>>> exactly what needed to be assembled or shipped.

>> I guess its not too surprising that they didnt bother to try to calculate the total weight
>> when you hadnt yet decided whether it was going to be assembled by them or not.

> Rubbish!

We'll see...

> As if they don't know what the items weigh, they do this all the time don't they?

Nope, they just take the parcel to the post office and pay what they get charged.

> I asked for a price on assembly which they declined to quote & an assembled system would take up much less cubic's 
> than individual items packaged in a large box

You dont know that either. They normally do manage
to put the individual bits into the case quite adequately.

> & I'm sure they would have a std cost for freight of assembled systems.

Your surety is completely irrelevant to how Aust Post charges.

>>> Now I guess I did assume they would provide me with a quote based on the items I selected, either assembled or not.

>> I'd personally let the person decide that before bothering with a
>> formal quote on the shipping cost unless they pay a fixed rate etc.

> If they had quoted me on assembly I could have decided, but I'm not about to agree to an unknown cost.

Your problem.

>>> I do understand they would get many emails from ppl who would be
>>> wasting their time, I'm self employed & the same happens to me.

>>> That doesn't mean I can choose to not answer any questions or provide a quotation.

>>> As I did not get an answer from them regarding the CPU, I have since
>>> bought an Intel E8400 on ebay, & will buy other things on ebay now.

>> Thats likely to end up costing you more in freight than you would have paid umart.

> Less, the CPU was cheaper including freight than their list price without freight.

Pity about all the rest of the components.

> Same for the GPU, Ram, HDD, keyboard, mouse & OS.
> I cant find the MB, monitor, case or PSU just yet but no doubt i will.

And you may well end up paying more in freight than you would have if you had got it all from umart.

>>> These are items they could have sold to me by answering a couple of simple straight forward questions.

>> Sure, but most dont religiously answer all the questions in an email,
>> essentially because its too much work when so many of the emails
>> dont result in a sale, and even when they do, you've got to remember
>> that any operation like that is working on very slim margins and
>> making a profit with that type of operation is minimising the effort that has to be put into making each sale.

> And a lost sale was worth...??

What matter is the profit on the particular transaction.

> Based on what others are selling the same items for on ebay, they would have made a fair profit.

You have no idea what they paid for the items.

> Which is maybe why they aren't bothered by the prospect of losing a $2700.00 sale.

Or they just dont bother with fools like you who mostly dont end up ordering from them.

> Lets not miss the point here...they didn't answer a single one of my questions.

You're lying now.

> Simply to reply with a std cut & paste reply isn't good enough in my books.

Your problem.

> However, they do get credit for actually replying all the same.

They dont give a flying red fuck what you 'think' 

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:61595jF1rhhi8U1@mid.individual.net...
> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>>>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>>>>> spodosaurus wrote
>
>>>>>> The size and weight will change depending on whether the system is
>>>>>> assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and shipped. I
>>>>>> suggest you just email them back and ask for a shipping quote once
>>>>>> you decide how you want the items. If you're not serious about
>>>>>> buying from them, like most buyers, then don't waste their time.
>>>>>> If you are, then reply to their email and ask for clarification.
>>>>>> I've been happy with my dealings with them.
>
>>>>> PS - I used one of the QLD stores, heard too many bad things about
>>>>> the Sydney branch (apaprently Rod can attest to the problems there).
>
>>>> The email I sent to them was to the Sale Manager in the Qld head office 
>>>> at Milton.
>
>>>> Part of the reason for asking wether they could assemble the parts was 
>>>> to reduce the freight charges, as it should then be only one box 
>>>> instead of many.
>
>>> I've ever seen anyone do anything else than ship in more than two boxes, 
>>> one
>>> for the monitor and one for everything else, even when they arent 
>>> assembled.
>
>> A very simple thing to quote on then eh?
>
> Depends on whether they are paying by weight or not.
>
> Thats how Aust Post charges for that sort of parcel.

Australia post clearly indicates their charges 
http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp
Its so damn easy even a f**cked up unit like you could do it!

>>>> The email I sent them included all the items I wanted, copied from 
>>>> their own website shopping cart, so they knew exactly what needed to be 
>>>> assembled or shipped.
>
>>> I guess its not too surprising that they didnt bother to try to 
>>> calculate the total weight
>>> when you hadnt yet decided whether it was going to be assembled by them 
>>> or not.
>
>> Rubbish!
>
> We'll see...
>
>> As if they don't know what the items weigh, they do this all the time 
>> don't they?
>
> Nope, they just take the parcel to the post office and pay what they get 
> charged.

oh bull shit! your clutching now rod. Comming up with shit like 
that...sheez.

As if they are going to take every parcel down to the post office, get a 
price for postage, return to the shop, inform the customer the charges and 
then stroll on back to the post office and send them on their merry way, 
assuming the customer agrees to pay the postage......Absolute Rubbish!!

and again...... http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp

>> I asked for a price on assembly which they declined to quote & an 
>> assembled system would take up much less cubic's than individual items 
>> packaged in a large box
>
> You dont know that either. They normally do manage
> to put the individual bits into the case quite adequately.

Bullocks
When was the last time you saw a MB in its original packaging?
Most MB barely fit in a case as it is.

>> & I'm sure they would have a std cost for freight of assembled systems.
>
> Your surety is completely irrelevant to how Aust Post charges.

Just one more time for the dummy 
http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp

>>>> Now I guess I did assume they would provide me with a quote based on 
>>>> the items I selected, either assembled or not.
>
>>> I'd personally let the person decide that before bothering with a
>>> formal quote on the shipping cost unless they pay a fixed rate etc.
>
>> If they had quoted me on assembly I could have decided, but I'm not about 
>> to agree to an unknown cost.
>
> Your problem.

Nope, their problem...saving myself money buying elsewhere.

>>>> As I did not get an answer from them regarding the CPU, I have since
>>>> bought an Intel E8400 on ebay, & will buy other things on ebay now.
>
>>> Thats likely to end up costing you more in freight than you would have 
>>> paid umart.
>
>> Less, the CPU was cheaper including freight than their list price without 
>> freight.
>
> Pity about all the rest of the components.

A Pity, why?
GPU $317.00 incl postage & insurance - saved $42.00 + Umart postage
CPU $300.00 ""    ""    ""    ""    ""    ""    - saved  $Umart postage
MS XP Pro $200.00 "    "    "    "    "    - saved $19.00 + Umart postage
Ram $107.50    "    "    "    "    "    "    "    - saved $111.50 + Umart 
postage
Monitor $386.75 "    "    "    "    "    "    "    - saved $12.25 + Umart 
postage


>> Same for the GPU, Ram, HDD, keyboard, mouse & OS.
>> I cant find the MB, monitor, case or PSU just yet but no doubt i will.
>
> And you may well end up paying more in freight than you would have if you 
> had got it all from umart.

Maybe more in actual freight, but much less overall.

>>>> These are items they could have sold to me by answering a couple of 
>>>> simple straight forward questions.
>
>>> Sure, but most dont religiously answer all the questions in an email,
>>> essentially because its too much work when so many of the emails
>>> dont result in a sale, and even when they do, you've got to remember
>>> that any operation like that is working on very slim margins and
>>> making a profit with that type of operation is minimising the effort 
>>> that has to be put into making each sale.
>
>> And a lost sale was worth...??
>
> What matter is the profit on the particular transaction.
>
>> Based on what others are selling the same items for on ebay, they would 
>> have made a fair profit.
>
> You have no idea what they paid for the items.

I couldn't give a rats arse what they paid for the items.

>> Which is maybe why they aren't bothered by the prospect of losing a 
>> $2700.00 sale.
>
> Or they just dont bother with fools like you who mostly dont end up 
> ordering from them.

your dribbling now rod, press the little green button & get the nurse to 
wipe your chin.

>> Lets not miss the point here...they didn't answer a single one of my 
>> questions.
>
> You're lying now.

No, you just can't read.
(you don't work for umart do you)

>> Simply to reply with a std cut & paste reply isn't good enough in my 
>> books.
>
> Your problem.

nope, theirs
in fact, their problem is saving me money....lol
costing me a little bit of time, but ebay is fun :-)

>> However, they do get credit for actually replying all the same.
>
> They dont give a flying red fuck what you 'think'

How would you know what they think, you terminal fuckwit!

oops...there you go, you've started to bring me down to your level.
oh well, you know what they say about arguing with an idiot!

Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>>>>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>>>>>> spodosaurus wrote

>>>>>>> The size and weight will change depending on whether the system
>>>>>>> is assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and
>>>>>>> shipped. I suggest you just email them back and ask for a
>>>>>>> shipping quote once you decide how you want the items. If
>>>>>>> you're not serious about buying from them, like most buyers,
>>>>>>> then don't waste their time. If you are, then reply to their email and ask for clarification. I've been happy 
>>>>>>> with my dealings with them.

>>>>>> PS - I used one of the QLD stores, heard too many bad things about the Sydney branch (apaprently Rod can attest 
>>>>>> to the problems there).

>>>>> The email I sent to them was to the Sale Manager in the Qld head office at Milton.

>>>>> Part of the reason for asking wether they could assemble the
>>>>> parts was to reduce the freight charges, as it should then be
>>>>> only one box instead of many.

>>>> I've ever seen anyone do anything else than ship in more than two boxes, one
>>>> for the monitor and one for everything else, even when they arent assembled.

>>> A very simple thing to quote on then eh?

>> Depends on whether they are paying by weight or not.

>> Thats how Aust Post charges for that sort of parcel.

> Australia post clearly indicates their charges
> http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp

I already said that I told their sydney office about that, fuckwit.

> Its so damn easy even a f**cked up unit like you could do it!

Not if you dont have the weight, fuckwit.

>>>>> The email I sent them included all the items I wanted, copied from their own website shopping cart, so they knew 
>>>>> exactly what needed to be assembled or shipped.

>>>> I guess its not too surprising that they didnt bother to try to calculate the total weight
>>>> when you hadnt yet decided whether it was going to be assembled by them or not.

>>> Rubbish!

>> We'll see...

>>> As if they don't know what the items weigh, they do this all the time don't they?

>> Nope, they just take the parcel to the post office and pay what they get charged.

> oh bull shit! your clutching now rod. Comming up with shit like that...sheez.

We'll see...

> As if they are going to take every parcel down to the post office,
> get a price for postage, return to the shop, inform the customer the
> charges and then stroll on back to the post office and send them on
> their merry way, assuming the customer agrees to pay the
> postage......Absolute Rubbish!!

I never ever said that they do anything like that, fuckwit.

> and again...... http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp

I already said that I told their sydney office about that, fuckwit.

>>> I asked for a price on assembly which they declined to quote & an assembled system would take up much less cubic's 
>>> than individual items packaged in a large box

>> You dont know that either. They normally do manage
>> to put the individual bits into the case quite adequately.

> Bullocks
> When was the last time you saw a MB in its original packaging?

Last time I ordered on thanks, fuckwit.

> Most MB barely fit in a case as it is.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever
had a fucking clue about anything at all, and why umart made an obscene
gesture in your general direction and didnt bother too much with your email.

>>> & I'm sure they would have a std cost for freight of assembled systems.

>> Your surety is completely irrelevant to how Aust Post charges.

> Just one more time for the dummy
> http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp

I already said that I told their sydney office about that, fuckwit.

>>>>> Now I guess I did assume they would provide me with a quote based on the items I selected, either assembled or 
>>>>> not.

>>>> I'd personally let the person decide that before bothering with a
>>>> formal quote on the shipping cost unless they pay a fixed rate etc.

>>> If they had quoted me on assembly I could have decided, but I'm not about to agree to an unknown cost.

>> Your problem.

> Nope, their problem...

Nope, no problem for them that they dont
have to waste their time with a fool like you.

> saving myself money buying elsewhere.

We'll see if you actually get what you wanted and save anything.

>>>>> As I did not get an answer from them regarding the CPU, I have since bought an Intel E8400 on ebay, & will buy 
>>>>> other things on ebay now.

>>>> Thats likely to end up costing you more in freight than you would have paid umart.

>>> Less, the CPU was cheaper including freight than their list price without freight.

And we'll see if you actually get what you ordered too.

>> Pity about all the rest of the components.

> A Pity, why?
> GPU $317.00 incl postage & insurance - saved $42.00 + Umart postage
> CPU $300.00 ""    ""    ""    ""    ""    ""    - saved  $Umart

And we'll see if you actually get what you ordered.

> postage MS XP Pro $200.00 "    "    "    "    "    - saved $19.00 +
> Umart postage Ram $107.50    "    "    "    "    "    "    "    -
> saved $111.50 + Umart postage

And we'll see if it actually works in that motherboard too.

> Monitor $386.75 "    "    "    "    "    "    "    - saved $12.25 + Umart postage

And we'll see if you actually get what you ordered.

>>> Same for the GPU, Ram, HDD, keyboard, mouse & OS.
>>> I cant find the MB, monitor, case or PSU just yet but no doubt i will.

>> And you may well end up paying more in freight than you would have if you had got it all from umart.

> Maybe more in actual freight, but much less overall.

And we'll see if you actually get what you ordered.

And you're farting around a hell of a lot more than you
would have if you ordered it from umart anyway.

>>>>> These are items they could have sold to me by answering a couple of simple straight forward questions.

>>>> Sure, but most dont religiously answer all the questions in an email, essentially because its too much work when so 
>>>> many of the emails dont result in a sale, and even when they do, you've got to remember that any operation like 
>>>> that is working on very slim margins and making a profit with that type of operation is minimising the
>>>> effort that has to be put into making each sale.

>>> And a lost sale was worth...??

>> What matters is the profit on the particular transaction.

>>> Based on what others are selling the same items for on ebay, they would have made a fair profit.

>> You have no idea what they paid for the items.

> I couldn't give a rats arse what they paid for the items.

Thats what determines what profit they make, cretin.

>>> Which is maybe why they aren't bothered by the prospect of losing a $2700.00 sale.

>> Or they just dont bother with fools like you who mostly dont end up ordering from them.

> your dribbling now rod, press the little green button & get the nurse to wipe your chin.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.

>>> Lets not miss the point here...they didn't answer a single one of my questions.

>> You're lying now.

> No,

Yep, everyone can see for themselves that that is a bare faced lie.

> you just can't read.

Everyone can see for themselves that that is a bare faced lie.

> (you don't work for umart do you)

Tad unlikely that I'd be running their sydney operation down if I did, fuckwit.

>>> Simply to reply with a std cut & paste reply isn't good enough in my books.

>> Your problem.

> nope, theirs

No problem for them that some obnoxious little shit like you fucks off somewhere else.

> in fact, their problem is saving me money....lol

We'll see...

> costing me a little bit of time, but ebay is fun :-)

Gunna be hilarioius when you get shafted.

>>> However, they do get credit for actually replying all the same.

>> They dont give a flying red fuck what you 'think'

> How would you know what they think,

Its obvious from their email to you, fuckwit.

<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

> Never had any problems with my logitech keyboards except that the 
> lettering
> wears off the most commonly used keys, but then so does everyone else's
> and Microsoft isnt prepared to cover that under their warranty. I was 
> going
> to fuck MS over using the ACCC on that, but managed to cripple myself
> just as the warranty ran out so didnt get a chance to do that.
>
> Logitech did claim that thats covered by their warranty, and I have had 
> the
> lettering wear off on two of them, but havent gotten around to holding 
> them
> to their warranty, remains to be seen what they do when it comes to the 
> crunch.

At work we had keyboards that have double molding so that the whole key has 
to be literally worn away before you can't see the number anymore. Finger 
nails end up slowly grinding a groove into the keys. We brought them about 8 
years ago and have never seen them since. All are still working. 

> I have two complaints
> 1.  It is impossible to get an estimated freight charge if I want 
> delivery. This would be what I choose because parking is a nightmare for 
> pickups.
> 2.  3% for Mastercard/Visa is a ripoff.  Umart has a major turnover.  I 
> would think that Mastercard/Visa costs to them is 1%

Why would it be 1%? I don't think anyone is 1%. Even kmart isn't 1%.

"MisterE" <voids@sometwher.world> wrote in message 
news:47ae45f2$0$13959$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>> I have two complaints
>> 1.  It is impossible to get an estimated freight charge if I want 
>> delivery. This would be what I choose because parking is a nightmare for 
>> pickups.
>> 2.  3% for Mastercard/Visa is a ripoff.  Umart has a major turnover.  I 
>> would think that Mastercard/Visa costs to them is 1%
>
> Why would it be 1%? I don't think anyone is 1%. Even kmart isn't 1%.

I'm a merchant that recently changed providers.
I went fom a bank that charged a lower monthly fee but had a standard credit 
rate of just under 2% (Diners and Amex commissions are higher) and a higher 
set charge for direct debit cards.
To a bank that charges a higher monthly access fee but was lower for direct 
debit cards and has variable rates for Visa Mcard.
For standard cards they charge me under 1% but those business cards and 
other premium types attract a higher 3% rate. I presume it's to pay for 
those rewards associated with the premium cards. 

"MisterE" <voids@sometwher.world> wrote in message 
news:47ae45f2$0$13959$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>> I have two complaints
>> 1.  It is impossible to get an estimated freight charge if I want 
>> delivery. This would be what I choose because parking is a nightmare for 
>> pickups.
>> 2.  3% for Mastercard/Visa is a ripoff.  Umart has a major turnover.  I 
>> would think that Mastercard/Visa costs to them is 1%
>
> Why would it be 1%? I don't think anyone is 1%. Even kmart isn't 1%.
>
Under 1% is the norm.  see http://www.afta.com.au/www/index.cfm?itemid=274 

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:27:15 GMT "The Old Bloke" <xx@xx.com> wrote:

> Under 1% is the norm.  see
> http://www.afta.com.au/www/index.cfm?itemid=274 

Not the norm at all.  That is a special negotiated rate for AFTA.

MisterE <voids@sometwher.world> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> Never had any problems with my logitech keyboards except that the lettering
>> wears off the most commonly used keys, but then so does everyone
>> else's and Microsoft isnt prepared to cover that under their warranty. I was going
>> to fuck MS over using the ACCC on that, but managed to cripple myself
>> just as the warranty ran out so didnt get a chance to do that.

>> Logitech did claim that thats covered by their warranty, and I have had the
>> lettering wear off on two of them, but havent gotten around to holding them
>> to their warranty, remains to be seen what they do when it comes to the crunch.

> At work we had keyboards that have double molding so that the whole
> key has to be literally worn away before you can't see the number anymore. Finger nails end up slowly grinding a 
> groove into the keys. We brought them about 8 years ago and have never seen them since. All are still working.

Yeah, thats what I used to use before the PC era, DEC LK201 keyboards specifically.

Never seen them with PC keyboards. 

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:57:20 GMT "The Old Bloke" <xx@xx.com> wrote:

> > Not the norm at all.  That is a special negotiated rate for AFTA.  
> 
> my mistake. 


No worries.  Bloody good rates, BTW!

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:616faaF1teemkU2@mid.individual.net...
> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Dazza <nospam.dt_clancy.nospam@bigpond.com> wrote
>>>>>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>>>>>>> spodosaurus wrote
>
>>>>>>>> The size and weight will change depending on whether the system
>>>>>>>> is assembled and shipped or packed as individual boxes and
>>>>>>>> shipped. I suggest you just email them back and ask for a
>>>>>>>> shipping quote once you decide how you want the items. If
>>>>>>>> you're not serious about buying from them, like most buyers,
>>>>>>>> then don't waste their time. If you are, then reply to their email 
>>>>>>>> and ask for clarification. I've been happy with my dealings with 
>>>>>>>> them.
>
>>>>>>> PS - I used one of the QLD stores, heard too many bad things about 
>>>>>>> the Sydney branch (apaprently Rod can attest to the problems there).
>
>>>>>> The email I sent to them was to the Sale Manager in the Qld head 
>>>>>> office at Milton.
>
>>>>>> Part of the reason for asking wether they could assemble the
>>>>>> parts was to reduce the freight charges, as it should then be
>>>>>> only one box instead of many.
>
>>>>> I've ever seen anyone do anything else than ship in more than two 
>>>>> boxes, one
>>>>> for the monitor and one for everything else, even when they arent 
>>>>> assembled.
>
>>>> A very simple thing to quote on then eh?
>
>>> Depends on whether they are paying by weight or not.
>
>>> Thats how Aust Post charges for that sort of parcel.
>
>> Australia post clearly indicates their charges
>> http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp
>
> I already said that I told their sydney office about that, fuckwit.

Then why did you make that dumb-arse comment, you terminal fuckwit.

>> Its so damn easy even a f**cked up unit like you could do it!
>
> Not if you dont have the weight, fuckwit.

Thats why I asked "them" for the cost of freight, you terminal fuckwit.
If their warehouse dosn't have a set of scales they should just shut their 
doors now instead of waiting for the liquidators.

>>>>>> The email I sent them included all the items I wanted, copied from 
>>>>>> their own website shopping cart, so they knew exactly what needed to 
>>>>>> be assembled or shipped.
>
>>>>> I guess its not too surprising that they didnt bother to try to 
>>>>> calculate the total weight
>>>>> when you hadnt yet decided whether it was going to be assembled by 
>>>>> them or not.
>
>>>> Rubbish!
>
>>> We'll see...
>
>>>> As if they don't know what the items weigh, they do this all the time 
>>>> don't they?
>
>>> Nope, they just take the parcel to the post office and pay what they get 
>>> charged.
>
>> oh bull shit! your clutching now rod. Comming up with shit like 
>> that...sheez.
>
> We'll see...
>
>> As if they are going to take every parcel down to the post office,
>> get a price for postage, return to the shop, inform the customer the
>> charges and then stroll on back to the post office and send them on
>> their merry way, assuming the customer agrees to pay the
>> postage......Absolute Rubbish!!
>
> I never ever said that they do anything like that, fuckwit.
>
>> and again...... http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp
>
> I already said that I told their sydney office about that, fuckwit.

Then why did you make that dumb-arse comment, you terminal fuckwit.

>>>> I asked for a price on assembly which they declined to quote & an 
>>>> assembled system would take up much less cubic's than individual items 
>>>> packaged in a large box
>
>>> You dont know that either. They normally do manage
>>> to put the individual bits into the case quite adequately.
>
>> Bullocks
>> When was the last time you saw a MB in its original packaging?
>
> Last time I ordered on thanks, fuckwit.

1984 ?

>> Most MB barely fit in a case as it is.
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever
> had a fucking clue about anything at all, and why umart made an obscene
> gesture in your general direction and didnt bother too much with your 
> email.

Oh I must have made a mistake....when the manufacturer says that the case 
will accept a std atx form factor sized board, they must have really meant 
to say, will fit any size board you want, including packaging.
The fact is that the case I had selected would not fit a MB with packaging 
inside without removing drivebays or other...period.
http://www.antec.com/pdf/flyers/P182.pdf

>>>> & I'm sure they would have a std cost for freight of assembled systems.
>
>>> Your surety is completely irrelevant to how Aust Post charges.
>
>> Just one more time for the dummy
>> http://www1.auspost.com.au/pac/aus_parcel.asp
>
> I already said that I told their sydney office about that, fuckwit.

Then why did you make that dumb-arse comment, you terminal fuckwit.

>>>>>> Now I guess I did assume they would provide me with a quote based on 
>>>>>> the items I selected, either assembled or not.
>
>>>>> I'd personally let the person decide that before bothering with a
>>>>> formal quote on the shipping cost unless they pay a fixed rate etc.
>
>>>> If they had quoted me on assembly I could have decided, but I'm not 
>>>> about to agree to an unknown cost.
>
>>> Your problem.
>
>> Nope, their problem...
>
> Nope, no problem for them that they dont
> have to waste their time with a fool like you.

Your the only fool here rod, u have been for years.
I put you in my killfile about 10yrs ago, proberly at the height of your 
insanity.
As always, when you've lost the argument you resort to insults and abuse.
Your a troll & a terminal fuckwit.

>
>> saving myself money buying elsewhere.
>
> We'll see if you actually get what you wanted and save anything.

I use PayPal or my credit card. Both of which give me full protection if the 
goods are faulty or dont arrive.
Maybe you should catch-up with the modern way of doing things.

 >>>>>> As I did not get an answer from them regarding the CPU, I have since 
bought an Intel E8400 on ebay, & will buy
>>>>>> other things on ebay now.
>
>>>>> Thats likely to end up costing you more in freight than you would have 
>>>>> paid umart.
>
>>>> Less, the CPU was cheaper including freight than their list price 
>>>> without freight.
>
> And we'll see if you actually get what you ordered too.

I use PayPal or my credit card. Both of which give me full protection if the 
goods are faulty or dont arrive.
Maybe you should catch-up with the modern way of doing things.

>>> Pity about all the rest of the components.
>
>> A Pity, why?
>> GPU $317.00 incl postage & insurance - saved $42.00 + Umart postage
>> CPU $300.00 ""    ""    ""    ""    ""    ""    - saved  $Umart
>
> And we'll see if you actually get what you ordered.

I use PayPal or my credit card. Both of which give me full protection if the 
goods are faulty or dont arrive.
Maybe you should catch-up with the modern way of doing things.

>> postage MS XP Pro $200.00 "    "    "    "    "    - saved $19.00 +
>> Umart postage Ram $107.50    "    "    "    "    "    "    "    -
>> saved $111.50 + Umart postage
>
> And we'll see if it actually works in that motherboard too.

The ram is on the MB manufacturer's QVL

I use PayPal or my credit card. Both of which give me full protection if the 
goods are faulty or dont arrive.
Maybe you should catch-up with the modern way of doing things.

>> Monitor $386.75 "    "    "    "    "    "    "    - saved $12.25 + Umart 
>> postage
>
> And we'll see if you actually get what you ordered.

I use PayPal or my credit card. Both of which give me full protection if the 
goods are faulty or dont arrive.
Maybe you should catch-up with the modern way of doing things.

>>>> Same for the GPU, Ram, HDD, keyboard, mouse & OS.
>>>> I cant find the MB, monitor, case or PSU just yet but no doubt i will.
>
>>> And you may well end up paying more in freight than you would have if 
>>> you had got it all from umart.
>
>> Maybe more in actual freight, but much less overall.
>
> And we'll see if you actually get what you ordered.

I use PayPal or my credit card. Both of which give me full protection if the 
goods are faulty or dont arrive.
Maybe you should catch-up with the modern way of doing things.

> And you're farting around a hell of a lot more than you
> would have if you ordered it from umart anyway.

Nope, i am however wasting time w/ this thread.

>>>>>> These are items they could have sold to me by answering a couple of 
>>>>>> simple straight forward questions.
>
>>>>> Sure, but most dont religiously answer all the questions in an email, 
>>>>> essentially because its too much work when so many of the emails dont 
>>>>> result in a sale, and even when they do, you've got to remember that 
>>>>> any operation like that is working on very slim margins and making a 
>>>>> profit with that type of operation is minimising the
>>>>> effort that has to be put into making each sale.
>
>>>> And a lost sale was worth...??
>
>>> What matters is the profit on the particular transaction.
>
>>>> Based on what others are selling the same items for on ebay, they would 
>>>> have made a fair profit.
>
>>> You have no idea what they paid for the items.
>
>> I couldn't give a rats arse what they paid for the items.
>
> Thats what determines what profit they make, cretin.

I dont care.

>>>> Which is maybe why they aren't bothered by the prospect of losing a 
>>>> $2700.00 sale.
>
>>> Or they just dont bother with fools like you who mostly dont end up 
>>> ordering from them.
>
>> your dribbling now rod, press the little green button & get the nurse to 
>> wipe your chin.
>
> Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.

yeah, not quite down to your level of abuse is it rod!

>>>> Lets not miss the point here...they didn't answer a single one of my 
>>>> questions.
>
>>> You're lying now.
>
>> No,
>
> Yep, everyone can see for themselves that that is a bare faced lie.

Nope, read the post you cretin

>> you just can't read.
>
> Everyone can see for themselves that that is a bare faced lie.

Nope, read the post you cretin

>> (you don't work for umart do you)
>
> Tad unlikely that I'd be running their sydney operation down if I did, 
> fuckwit.

Who said anything about running it, i doubt you could correctly manage your 
own life let alone a business.
Perhaps you would be best served in the customer complaints dept.
or maybe the warehouse lacky.....u might even find a set of scales & a tape 
measure.

>>>> Simply to reply with a std cut & paste reply isn't good enough in my 
>>>> books.
>
>>> Your problem.
>
>> nope, theirs
>
> No problem for them that some obnoxious little shit like you fucks off 
> somewhere else.

obnoxious little shit...now isnt that the pot calling the kettle black!

>> in fact, their problem is saving me money....lol
>
> We'll see...
>
>> costing me a little bit of time, but ebay is fun :-)
>
> Gunna be hilarioius when you get shafted.

I use PayPal or my credit card. Both of which give me full protection if the 
goods are faulty or dont arrive.
Maybe you should catch-up with the modern way of doing things.
(see..i can cut & paste too, you lame retard)

>>>> However, they do get credit for actually replying all the same.
>
>>> They dont give a flying red fuck what you 'think'
>
>> How would you know what they think,
>
> Its obvious from their email to you, fuckwit.

no its not, again your making things up.
Give yourself a slap across the face, you terminal fuckwit!

>>oops...there you go, you've started to bring me down to your level.
>>oh well, you know what they say about arguing with an idiot!

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:42:18 GMT "The Old Bloke" <xx@xx.com> wrote:

> In store purchases attract a 3% for Visa/Mastercard and 6% for Amex
> 
> I have only bought instore
> 
> See  http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=2
> 
> "MasterCard, Visa & Bankcard incur a 3% surcharge. American Express
> incurs a 6% surcharge."

In that case, I believe that they must be doubling the fees charged.

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Dazza <dt_clancy@bigpond.com>
desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:6191fhF1uo4n0U2@mid.individual.net...
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> Dazza <dt_clancy@bigpond.com>
> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
> predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
>
>

Dazza 1 - Rod 0

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:22:15 GMT Craig Welch <craig@pacific.net.sg>
wrote:

> Rod? Work? You jest. Why should Rod work, when he has us taxpayers to 
> look after him?

Roddles was busy in Canberra today, accepting the "apology" from Krudd.

Tonight Roddles will be sniffing petrol again before posting more anger
and abuse, but at least we all apologised to you, Roddles!

On Feb 8, 5:22 pm, "Dazza" <nospam.dt_clancy.nos...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
> Below is a copy of an email I sent to Umart regarding some components I
> intend to buy for my new system.
> Further below is their reply, which didn't seem to answer any of the
> questions I asked (well, all but one)
> It seems they might be reluctant to detail freight & other costs prior to
> purchase?
> I find it really annoying to have asked seemingly simple questions to get
> such a lame reponse!
>
> Has anyone got any positive or negative dealings with Umart they care to
> share with me before I spend almost $3k with them?
>
> (BTW, any comments on the system?)
>
> Email as sent to sales Manager.............
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a few questions regarding an order I wish to place with you.
> I intend to purchase the components for a complete system.
>
> How much is the freight to the NSW Central Coast (Post Code 2263)?
> Does the freight charge include insurance?
> Do you offer a build/assembly service for the components I intend to buy, if
> yes, cost?
>
> I am after the Intel E8400 CPU which seems out of stock in your shop, can
> you provide an accurate
> time for delivery, or are you able to transfer one from another of your
> shops to complete this order?
>
> Thanking you in advance
>
> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX (omitted for obvious reasons)
> XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX
>
>       Product Quantity Price Gst Total
>       Microsoft Windows XP PRO (OEM)    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>       Panasonic 1.44 Floppy(black)    $15.00  $1.36  $15.00
>       Samsung 400G 7200RPM SATAII    $105.00  $9.55  $105.00
>       Samsung 22 226BW Wide TFT Monitor - Black 2ms Digital / Analog Interf
> $399.00  $36.27  $399.00
>       Antec 850W TruePower Quattro ATX & EPS 12V Power Supply, Modular Cable
> $270.00  $24.55  $270.00
>       Antec P182 Performance One Black ATX Mid Tower - NO PSU    $195.00
> $17.73  $195.00
>       Logitech G9 Laser Gaming Mouse USB    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00
>       Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 X38 1600MHz FSB DDR2-1066MHz 2 x PCI Express x16 S
> $344.00  $31.27  $344.00
>       Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 2GB    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>       Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00
>       Gigabyte NX8800GT 512MB DDR3 PCIEx16 HDCP 2xDVI-I HDTV    $359.00
> $32.64  $359.00
>       LG H20NS10 SATA 20X+- Super Multi DVD Rewriter Black with Software
> $39.00  $7.09  $78.00
>       Intel ATX E8400 CORE 2 DUO /3.0GHz/6MB/1333FSB/LGA775    $299.00
> $27.18  $299.00
>       Total $245.45 $2700.00
>
> And the reply..........
>
> hi,
>
> the cost is depend on the size and the weight and the location
> yes, the freight charge include insurance
> yes, we do offer a system build,
>
> if you need anyinformation please feel free to contact our sales staff so we
> can help you 33693928
>
> Kind Regards
> Andrew
>
> All prices quoted are for the Internet cash price. To pay using Visa,
> Mastercard or Bank Card is a 3% surcharge. Payments via EFTPOS, Direct
> deposit, BPAY and Cheque are considered to be cash.
>
> OPENING HOURS
> Mon-Friday : 9am-5pm
> Saturday 9am-4pm
>
> Open late night Thursday for pick up only until 8pm
>
> Not open Sundays

I have found UMart Milton to be excellent. Efficient, courteous and
inexpensive. They aren't allowed to show that "Quality Endorsed
Company" logo unless something good is going on!!!!!!!Place a firm
order and they will likely invest the time to enquire as to freight
costs and relay that information to you.  You can't expect to give you
exact prices on just an enquiry. Yes they do a system build. On their
website click on "Desktop Computers", then "Customer Configure
System". Select the components you want and click on the "Ok tell me
how much will it cost" box. Enjoy the experience as I have!

<mjensen0@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:e6763e62-b54f-4c6a-95c4-c0cbced9bb77@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 8, 5:22 pm, "Dazza" <nospam.dt_clancy.nos...@bigpond.com>
> wrote:
>> Below is a copy of an email I sent to Umart regarding some components I
>> intend to buy for my new system.
>> Further below is their reply, which didn't seem to answer any of the
>> questions I asked (well, all but one)
>> It seems they might be reluctant to detail freight & other costs prior to
>> purchase?
>> I find it really annoying to have asked seemingly simple questions to get
>> such a lame reponse!
>>
>> Has anyone got any positive or negative dealings with Umart they care to
>> share with me before I spend almost $3k with them?
>>
>> (BTW, any comments on the system?)
>>
>> Email as sent to sales Manager.............
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a few questions regarding an order I wish to place with you.
>> I intend to purchase the components for a complete system.
>>
>> How much is the freight to the NSW Central Coast (Post Code 2263)?
>> Does the freight charge include insurance?
>> Do you offer a build/assembly service for the components I intend to buy, 
>> if
>> yes, cost?
>>
>> I am after the Intel E8400 CPU which seems out of stock in your shop, can
>> you provide an accurate
>> time for delivery, or are you able to transfer one from another of your
>> shops to complete this order?
>>
>> Thanking you in advance
>>
>> XXXXXXX XXXXXXX (omitted for obvious reasons)
>> XXXXXXXX XXXXXXX
>>
>>       Product Quantity Price Gst Total
>>       Microsoft Windows XP PRO (OEM)    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>>       Panasonic 1.44 Floppy(black)    $15.00  $1.36  $15.00
>>       Samsung 400G 7200RPM SATAII    $105.00  $9.55  $105.00
>>       Samsung 22 226BW Wide TFT Monitor - Black 2ms Digital / Analog 
>> Interf
>> $399.00  $36.27  $399.00
>>       Antec 850W TruePower Quattro ATX & EPS 12V Power Supply, Modular 
>> Cable
>> $270.00  $24.55  $270.00
>>       Antec P182 Performance One Black ATX Mid Tower - NO PSU    $195.00
>> $17.73  $195.00
>>       Logitech G9 Laser Gaming Mouse USB    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00
>>       Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6 X38 1600MHz FSB DDR2-1066MHz 2 x PCI Express 
>> x16 S
>> $344.00  $31.27  $344.00
>>       Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D 2GB    $219.00  $19.91  $219.00
>>       Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard Refresh    $99.00  $9.00  $99.00
>>       Gigabyte NX8800GT 512MB DDR3 PCIEx16 HDCP 2xDVI-I HDTV    $359.00
>> $32.64  $359.00
>>       LG H20NS10 SATA 20X+- Super Multi DVD Rewriter Black with Software
>> $39.00  $7.09  $78.00
>>       Intel ATX E8400 CORE 2 DUO /3.0GHz/6MB/1333FSB/LGA775    $299.00
>> $27.18  $299.00
>>       Total $245.45 $2700.00
>>
>> And the reply..........
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> the cost is depend on the size and the weight and the location
>> yes, the freight charge include insurance
>> yes, we do offer a system build,
>>
>> if you need anyinformation please feel free to contact our sales staff so 
>> we
>> can help you 33693928
>>
>> Kind Regards
>> Andrew
>>
>> All prices quoted are for the Internet cash price. To pay using Visa,
>> Mastercard or Bank Card is a 3% surcharge. Payments via EFTPOS, Direct
>> deposit, BPAY and Cheque are considered to be cash.
>>
>> OPENING HOURS
>> Mon-Friday : 9am-5pm
>> Saturday 9am-4pm
>>
>> Open late night Thursday for pick up only until 8pm
>>
>> Not open Sundays
>
> I have found UMart Milton to be excellent. Efficient, courteous and
> inexpensive. They aren't allowed to show that "Quality Endorsed
> Company" logo unless something good is going on!!!!!!!Place a firm
> order and they will likely invest the time to enquire as to freight
> costs and relay that information to you.  You can't expect to give you
> exact prices on just an enquiry.

I'm sorry, but I believe I can.
After all, most other online retailers list their freight costs up-front.
They should know the exact cost to freight each item or parcel/box.
They have been doing this for a while I assume.
The disappointing thing for me is that I was ready to place an order....I 
wanted to buy!
I just needed to know how much!

I did end up buying some of the components I wanted from AusPC Market.
I was quite impressed with the service.
I couldn't decide on a case to buy. The P182 had some issues I was concerned 
about with the space for the PSU.
I rang and spoke to a sales person who I found was very knowledgeable on the 
problem and recommended a P900 instead.
I placed an order at 3:30pm and it arrived at about 4pm the next day...very 
pleased.
Bear in mind, AusPC Market includes the transport cost in their list prices.
When you add the freight costs? plus 3% for credit cards Umart is not really 
any cheaper, not on the items I bought anyway.

Thanks for the post. I had heard Umart spoken of favorably & thought their 
service may have been better.
Perhaps I got them on a bad day.

BTW...I've worked for a few companies with the "quality endorsement" & it 
means SFA.
There are different levels of the standard which apply to that statement & 
in some cases all it means is placing stock in certain areas allocated for 
received, dispatch & returns & file the paperwork in an appropriate manner.
Mostly, the quality assurance standards will help the business to supply or 
contract to gov. dept's. which often require it.
Having said that, the management practices of an endorsed company should be 
better than a company not endorsed, & yet its no guarantee that it will be. 
(like I said above...it means SFA)

>Yes they do a system build. On their
> website click on "Desktop Computers", then "Customer Configure
> System". Select the components you want and click on the "Ok tell me
> how much will it cost" box. Enjoy the experience as I have!

"The Old Bloke" <xx@xx.com> writes:
>>> Whatever the rate, I feel that the 3% fee charged by Umart is excessive.
>>> Umart has a huge turnover, and most transactions (based on my
>>> observations when I have been to their store) are over $200.  That said,
>>> Umart are keenly priced.
>
>In store purchases attract a 3% for Visa/Mastercard and 6% for Amex
>
>I have only bought instore

Aldi charge 1% for credit card purchases. Ob-comp: I don't know how
good their laptops are though. They seemed cheap enough.

-- 
John Savage                   (my news address is not valid for email)

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:00:32 +0900 "Klompmeester" <whowhere@andwhy.com>
wrote:

> > Tonight Roddles will be sniffing petrol again before posting more
> > anger and abuse, but at least we all apologised to you, Roddles!  
> 
> The only thing Rod has in common with aboriginals is that he lives in 
> squalor. 


His choice, like theirs.  Another thing in common.