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On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:32:18 +0800, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting 
>them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for 
>playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture 
>theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for 
>best performance:
>1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on 
>the video files on this drive)
>1x CDROM
>1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>
>What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be 
>placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on 
>each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I 
>could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have 
>one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go 
>into her computer).

It really doesn't matter these days.

spodosaurus wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting 
> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for 
> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture 
> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for 
> best performance:
> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on 
> the video files on this drive)
> 1x CDROM
> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
> 
> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be 
> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on 
> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I 
> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have 
> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go 
> into her computer).

Get an IDE controller and separate all the drives. I.e. one drive per 
channel. A small boot drive is not always the best as alot of apps use 
it for temp/work/swap files. If the WD is an 8 meg cache model it would 
be a better candidate for a boot drive as Windows will run a little faster.
At worst I would set it up as 120g primary master, 40g primary slave and 
Pioneer 107 as secondary master. The cdrom is probably not going to be 
much use to you anyway, so probably best just to ditch it.

Mark

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote

> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
> best performance:
> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
> the video files on this drive)
> 1x CDROM
> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

It does not really matter very much, *EXCEPT*

o    arrange things when editing so that the source and destination are on
different hard drives.
o    arrange things so that when creating the DVD files from the edited
video the source and destination are on different hard drives.

For example:

o    use the 120GB drive for the initial capture
o    edit from that to the 40GB drive when assembling the clips
o    create the DVD image on the 120GB drive from the clips assembled on the
40GB drive

This should make things *VERY* much faster (five times or more) than reading
and writing large files using the same drive. To see how much, just try
copying a 1GB file within each of the hard drives, and then see how very
much faster it is when one disk is the source and the other is the
destination.

Then it's probably better if the DVD image drive is on a different cable
from the DVD writer, in which case put both hard disks on the first
controller and both optical drives on the second.

John Howells

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:42ee08fa$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> Hi all,
>
> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD
and editting
> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
and for
> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
lecture
> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
drives for
> best performance:
> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she
can work on
> the video files on this drive)
> 1x CDROM
> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>
> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives
should be
> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an
optical drive on
> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably
wouldn't reach. I
> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how
that goes (I have
> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but
it could go
> into her computer).
>
> TIA,
>
> Ari
>
OT a little.  My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.

**YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally.  You are in breach of copyright
and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
being sued.  I have had this conversation with my wife that
just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory.  You
can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS or DVD-R *BUT*
the moment it comes in contact with a computer (laptop) the
legal hounds are set loose.  "Shrug" I'm only relaying the
story.  My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape shows
like ER and use bits as teaching aids.  Now since her laptop
is already hooked up to a projector it would make sense to
me to have the stuff stored on the HD or on DVD-R in her
drive for replay.  Apparently not!  Must use a separate
machine with out RAM.  This is **STUPID**!!!!

Please check first before you get too carried away.  You
just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.

Cheers TT

The uni in question here is Edith Cowan University.

TT wrote:
> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> news:42ee08fa$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> 
>>Hi all,
>>
>>My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD
> 
> and editting
> 
>>them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
> 
> and for
> 
>>playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
> 
> lecture
> 
>>theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
> 
> drives for
> 
>>best performance:
>>1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she
> 
> can work on
> 
>>the video files on this drive)
>>1x CDROM
>>1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>
>>What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives
> 
> should be
> 
>>placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an
> 
> optical drive on
> 
>>each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably
> 
> wouldn't reach. I
> 
>>could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how
> 
> that goes (I have
> 
>>one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but
> 
> it could go
> 
>>into her computer).
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Ari
>>
> 
> OT a little.  My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
> have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.
> 
> **YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally.  You are in breach of copyright
> and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
> being sued.  I have had this conversation with my wife that
> just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
> Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
> moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory.  You
> can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS or DVD-R *BUT*
> the moment it comes in contact with a computer (laptop) the
> legal hounds are set loose.  "Shrug" I'm only relaying the
> story.  My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape shows
> like ER and use bits as teaching aids.  Now since her laptop
> is already hooked up to a projector it would make sense to
> me to have the stuff stored on the HD or on DVD-R in her
> drive for replay.  Apparently not!  Must use a separate
> machine with out RAM.  This is **STUPID**!!!!
> 
> Please check first before you get too carried away.  You
> just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.
> 
> Cheers TT
> 
> The uni in question here is Edith Cowan University.
> 
> 

For academic purposes fair use applies. This permits reproduction for 
the course of 10% of the material of the original work. The copyright 
act makes no mention of RAM and if there are any legal precedents in 
this matter I'd love to read them, AFAIK there are none.

-- 
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I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my 
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in 
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone 
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow 
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

spodosaurus wrote:
> TT wrote:
> 
>> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
>> news:42ee08fa$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD
>>
>>
>> and editting
>>
>>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>
>>
>> and for
>>
>>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>
>>
>> lecture
>>
>>> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>>
>>
>> drives for
>>
>>> best performance:
>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she
>>
>>
>> can work on
>>
>>> the video files on this drive)
>>> 1x CDROM
>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives
>>
>>
>> should be
>>
>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an
>>
>>
>> optical drive on
>>
>>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably
>>
>>
>> wouldn't reach. I
>>
>>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how
>>
>>
>> that goes (I have
>>
>>> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but
>>
>>
>> it could go
>>
>>> into her computer).
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Ari
>>>
>>
>> OT a little.  My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
>> have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.
>>
>> **YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally.  You are in breach of copyright
>> and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
>> being sued.  I have had this conversation with my wife that
>> just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
>> Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
>> moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory.  You
>> can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS or DVD-R *BUT*
>> the moment it comes in contact with a computer (laptop) the
>> legal hounds are set loose.  "Shrug" I'm only relaying the
>> story.  My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape shows
>> like ER and use bits as teaching aids.  Now since her laptop
>> is already hooked up to a projector it would make sense to
>> me to have the stuff stored on the HD or on DVD-R in her
>> drive for replay.  Apparently not!  Must use a separate
>> machine with out RAM.  This is **STUPID**!!!!
>>
>> Please check first before you get too carried away.  You
>> just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.
>>
>> Cheers TT
>>
>> The uni in question here is Edith Cowan University.
>>
>>
> 
> For academic purposes fair use applies. This permits reproduction for 
> the course of 10% of the material of the original work. The copyright 
> act makes no mention of RAM and if there are any legal precedents in 
> this matter I'd love to read them, AFAIK there are none.
> 

PS - I'd love a contact email for the person that in ECU's legal that 
came to this conclusion. I'd be interested to hear more, as I'm worried 
that I'm missing something about this important subject with third hand 
info.

-- 
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my 
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in 
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone 
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow 
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

spodosaurus wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote:
> 
>> TT wrote:
>>
>>> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42ee08fa$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and editting
>>>
>>>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and for
>>>
>>>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lecture
>>>
>>>> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> drives for
>>>
>>>> best performance:
>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> can work on
>>>
>>>> the video files on this drive)
>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> should be
>>>
>>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> optical drive on
>>>
>>>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wouldn't reach. I
>>>
>>>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> that goes (I have
>>>
>>>> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> it could go
>>>
>>>> into her computer).
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Ari
>>>>
>>>
>>> OT a little.  My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
>>> have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.
>>>
>>> **YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally.  You are in breach of copyright
>>> and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
>>> being sued.  I have had this conversation with my wife that
>>> just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
>>> Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
>>> moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory.  You
>>> can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS or DVD-R *BUT*
>>> the moment it comes in contact with a computer (laptop) the
>>> legal hounds are set loose.  "Shrug" I'm only relaying the
>>> story.  My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape shows
>>> like ER and use bits as teaching aids.  Now since her laptop
>>> is already hooked up to a projector it would make sense to
>>> me to have the stuff stored on the HD or on DVD-R in her
>>> drive for replay.  Apparently not!  Must use a separate
>>> machine with out RAM.  This is **STUPID**!!!!
>>>
>>> Please check first before you get too carried away.  You
>>> just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.
>>>
>>> Cheers TT
>>>
>>> The uni in question here is Edith Cowan University.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> For academic purposes fair use applies. This permits reproduction for 
>> the course of 10% of the material of the original work. The copyright 
>> act makes no mention of RAM and if there are any legal precedents in 
>> this matter I'd love to read them, AFAIK there are none.
>>
> 
> PS - I'd love a contact email for the person that in ECU's legal that 
> came to this conclusion. I'd be interested to hear more, as I'm worried 
> that I'm missing something about this important subject with third hand 
> info.
> 

I also should have been more specific: the clips are from recordings of 
broadcasts. Most unis pay a fee to a copyright umbrella organisation for 
this purpose.

-- 
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my 
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in 
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone 
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow 
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:58:32 +0100 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
Sheep and then  "John Howells" <john@howells-99.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
:

>
>"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>
>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
>> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
>> best performance:
>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
>> the video files on this drive)
>> 1x CDROM
>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>
>It does not really matter very much, *EXCEPT*
>
>o    arrange things when editing so that the source and destination are on
>different hard drives.
>o    arrange things so that when creating the DVD files from the edited
>video the source and destination are on different hard drives.
>
>For example:
>
>o    use the 120GB drive for the initial capture
>o    edit from that to the 40GB drive when assembling the clips
>o    create the DVD image on the 120GB drive from the clips assembled on the
>40GB drive
>
>This should make things *VERY* much faster (five times or more) than reading
>and writing large files using the same drive. To see how much, just try
>copying a 1GB file within each of the hard drives, and then see how very
>much faster it is when one disk is the source and the other is the
>destination.
>
>Then it's probably better if the DVD image drive is on a different cable
>from the DVD writer, in which case put both hard disks on the first
>controller and both optical drives on the second.
>
>John Howells

So rare to see an accurate post on this subject.
Kudos :)
What he said :P




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"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:42ee5209@quokka.wn.com.au...
::
: I also should have been more specific: the clips are from
recordings of
: broadcasts. Most unis pay a fee to a copyright umbrella
organisation for
: this purpose.
:
This is what we were specifically warned about.  I have sent
an email off and I will see what I can do.  Actually it all
started because the lecturers were not taping enough.  ECU
apparently pays some huge fee for the privilege.  The
problem arises (apparently) when computers get involved. -
shrug!

IMHO it is very silly and just *may* be the interpretation
of some idiot legal eagle.

I will post more when I get a reply.

Cheers TT

spodosaurus wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting 
> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for 
> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture 
> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for 
> best performance:
> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on 
> the video files on this drive)
> 1x CDROM
> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
> 
> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be 
> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on 
> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I 
> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have 
> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go 
> into her computer).

I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if practical.
As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
I wouldnt worry about it too much.


-- 
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spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote

> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for 
> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture theatres 
> have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for best performance:
> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on the 
> video files on this drive)
> 1x CDROM
> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be placed on?

It doesnt normally matter much, essentially because
ops are normally limited by the speed of the burner.

> I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on each ribbon but 
> realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach.

Yeah, thats the main reason for the allocation to ribbons,
what works best physically. And that normally means the
optical drives on one ribbon and the hard drives on the other.

> I could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have one 
> that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go into her 
> computer).

No point, complete waste of time unless you have no IDE ports left. 

Mark Bedingfield <atari030@nomorespampleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote
> spodosaurus wrote

>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>> and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>> lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>> drives for best performance:
>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work
>> on the video files on this drive)
>> 1x CDROM
>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>
>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I
>> have one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it
>> could go into her computer).

> Get an IDE controller and separate all the drives. I.e. one drive per channel.

Complete waste of time and money. Wont achieve
a damned thing with the way that PC will be used.

> A small boot drive is not always the best as alot of apps use it for 
> temp/work/swap files.

> If the WD is an 8 meg cache model it would be a better candidate for a boot 
> drive as Windows will run a little faster.

Can be noticeably faster.

> At worst I would set it up as 120g primary master, 40g primary slave

Fine.

> and Pioneer 107 as secondary master. The cdrom is probably not going to be 
> much use to you anyway, so probably best just to ditch it.

No need, it wont have any effect being there. 

John Howells <john@howells-99.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>
>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>> and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>> lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>> drives for best performance:
>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work
>> on the video files on this drive)
>> 1x CDROM
>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>
> It does not really matter very much, *EXCEPT*
>
> o    arrange things when editing so that the source and destination
> are on different hard drives.
> o    arrange things so that when creating the DVD files from the
> edited video the source and destination are on different hard drives.
>
> For example:
>
> o    use the 120GB drive for the initial capture
> o    edit from that to the 40GB drive when assembling the clips
> o    create the DVD image on the 120GB drive from the clips assembled
> on the 40GB drive
>
> This should make things *VERY* much faster (five times or more) than
> reading and writing large files using the same drive. To see how
> much, just try copying a 1GB file within each of the hard drives, and
> then see how very much faster it is when one disk is the source and
> the other is the destination.

> Then it's probably better if the DVD image drive
> is on a different cable from the DVD writer,

It makes no difference, essentially because the speed of
burning is completely limited by the speed of the DVD writer.

> in which case put both hard disks on the first
> controller and both optical drives on the second.

And that's normally the best mechanically, anything
else will often see the ribbon cables not long enough. 

TT <TTencerNOSPAM@westnet.com.au> wrote
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote

>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>> and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>> lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>> drives for best performance:
>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work
>> on the video files on this drive)
>> 1x CDROM
>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>
>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I
>> have one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it
>> could go into her computer).

> OT a little.  My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
> have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.

> **YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally.

Wrong. That depends entirely on whether the material is
copyrighted and whether she has permission to use it,
and even if she doesnt, the copyright act allows limited
copying of small bits of the original in some situations too.

> You are in breach of copyright

You dont know that.

> and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
> being sued.  I have had this conversation with my wife that
> just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
> Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
> moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory.

Wrong.

> You can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS
> or DVD-R *BUT* the moment it comes in contact with
> a computer (laptop) the legal hounds are set loose.

Wrong.

> "Shrug" I'm only relaying the story.

You've mangled it utterly.

> My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape
> shows like ER and use bits as teaching aids.

Even that may be legal in some circumstances.

> Now since her laptop is already hooked up to a projector
> it would make sense to me to have the stuff stored on the
> HD or on DVD-R in her drive for replay.  Apparently not!
> Must use a separate machine with out RAM.

Wrong.

> This is **STUPID**!!!!

Its just plain WRONG.

> Please check first before you get too carried away.
> You just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.

Its unlikely anyone would do anything except say stop doing it.

> The uni in question here is Edith Cowan University.

spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote:
>> TT wrote:
>>
>>> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42ee08fa$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD
>>>
>>>
>>> and editting
>>>
>>>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>>
>>>
>>> and for
>>>
>>>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>>
>>>
>>> lecture
>>>
>>>> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>>>
>>>
>>> drives for
>>>
>>>> best performance:
>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she
>>>
>>>
>>> can work on
>>>
>>>> the video files on this drive)
>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives
>>>
>>>
>>> should be
>>>
>>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an
>>>
>>>
>>> optical drive on
>>>
>>>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably
>>>
>>>
>>> wouldn't reach. I
>>>
>>>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how
>>>
>>>
>>> that goes (I have
>>>
>>>> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but
>>>
>>>
>>> it could go
>>>
>>>> into her computer).
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Ari
>>>>
>>>
>>> OT a little.  My wife is a lecturer at a local uni and we
>>> have done this sort of thing for her. Now the good bit.
>>>
>>> **YOU CAN'T DO IT" legally.  You are in breach of copyright
>>> and the Unis in this part of the World are shit scared about
>>> being sued.  I have had this conversation with my wife that
>>> just had the head of their legal dept go right through it.
>>> Apparently (this is from the wife) you breach copyright the
>>> moment you use a machine equipped with *RAM* memory.  You
>>> can tape a TV program and replay it on VHS or DVD-R *BUT*
>>> the moment it comes in contact with a computer (laptop) the
>>> legal hounds are set loose.  "Shrug" I'm only relaying the
>>> story.  My wife (lectures nursing) would often tape shows
>>> like ER and use bits as teaching aids.  Now since her laptop
>>> is already hooked up to a projector it would make sense to
>>> me to have the stuff stored on the HD or on DVD-R in her
>>> drive for replay.  Apparently not!  Must use a separate
>>> machine with out RAM.  This is **STUPID**!!!!
>>>
>>> Please check first before you get too carried away.  You
>>> just may be making a very big (legal) mistake.
>>>
>>> Cheers TT
>>>
>>> The uni in question here is Edith Cowan University.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> For academic purposes fair use applies. This permits reproduction for
>> the course of 10% of the material of the original work. The copyright
>> act makes no mention of RAM and if there are any legal precedents in
>> this matter I'd love to read them, AFAIK there are none.

> PS - I'd love a contact email for the person that in ECU's legal that
> came to this conclusion. I'd be interested to hear more, as I'm
> worried that I'm missing something about this important subject with
> third hand info.

You arent missing anything, you have got it right. 

TT <TTencerNOmorespam@westnet.net.au> wrote
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote

>> I also should have been more specific: the clips are
>> from recordings of broadcasts. Most unis pay a fee
>> to a copyright umbrella organisation for this purpose.

> This is what we were specifically warned about.

Then you either totally mangled what you
were told or that fool who claimed it did.

> I have sent an email off and I will see what I can do.

You could read the copyright act, its
quite readable on that fair use question.

> Actually it all started because the lecturers were not
> taping enough.  ECU apparently pays some huge fee
> for the privilege.  The problem arises (apparently)
> when computers get involved. - shrug!

Wrong. There is nothing in the copyright
act that says anything like what you claim.

> IMHO it is very silly and just *may* be
> the interpretation of some idiot legal eagle.

No maybe about it, its utterly wrong.

The copyright act does in fact now make explicit
provision for caching copyright material. That does
not breach copyright. In spades when you are
paying royaltys to the copyright owner.

> I will post more when I get a reply.

TT wrote:
> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> news:42ee5209@quokka.wn.com.au...
> ::
> : I also should have been more specific: the clips are from
> recordings of
> : broadcasts. Most unis pay a fee to a copyright umbrella
> organisation for
> : this purpose.
> :
> This is what we were specifically warned about.  I have sent
> an email off and I will see what I can do.  Actually it all
> started because the lecturers were not taping enough.  ECU
> apparently pays some huge fee for the privilege.  The
> problem arises (apparently) when computers get involved. -
> shrug!
> 
> IMHO it is very silly and just *may* be the interpretation
> of some idiot legal eagle.
> 
> I will post more when I get a reply.
> 
> Cheers TT
> 
> 

Hopefully in order to come into compliance with the FTA with the USA 
we'll start getting some more flexible copyright laws with better fair 
use provisions. Thanks for looking into this further for me, it's much 
appreciated.

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"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:42ef6ff8$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> TT wrote:
> > "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
> > news:42ee5209@quokka.wn.com.au...
> > ::
> > : I also should have been more specific: the clips are
from
> > recordings of
> > : broadcasts. Most unis pay a fee to a copyright
umbrella
> > organisation for
> > : this purpose.
> > :
> > This is what we were specifically warned about.  I have
sent
> > an email off and I will see what I can do.  Actually it
all
> > started because the lecturers were not taping enough.
ECU
> > apparently pays some huge fee for the privilege.  The
> > problem arises (apparently) when computers get
involved. -
> > shrug!
> >
> > IMHO it is very silly and just *may* be the
interpretation
> > of some idiot legal eagle.
> >
> > I will post more when I get a reply.
> >
> > Cheers TT
> >
> >
>
> Hopefully in order to come into compliance with the FTA
with the USA
> we'll start getting some more flexible copyright laws with
better fair
> use provisions. Thanks for looking into this further for
me, it's much
> appreciated.
>
> Ari
>
Send me an email with a valid address and I will send you
what I have.  The answer is copyrighted!!!!  So I can't post
to a public forum.  I can also give you the ECU official
that gave the information.

Cheers TT

"Je�us" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
> spodosaurus wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
> > them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
> > playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
> > theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
> > best performance:
> > 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
> > 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
> > the video files on this drive)
> > 1x CDROM
> > 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
> >
> > What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
> > placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
> > each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
> > could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have
> > one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
> > into her computer).
>
> I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
> Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
practical.
> As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
> I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>
>
I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I had my
system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem with both
drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it couldn't keep up.
Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel rectified the situation. IOW
you don't want the O/S and capture competing for the channel.
YMMV

On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:46:05 +1000 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
Sheep and then  "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote :

>spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>
>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for 
>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture theatres 
>> have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for best performance:
>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on the 
>> video files on this drive)
>> 1x CDROM
>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>
>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be placed on?
>
>It doesnt normally matter much, essentially because
>ops are normally limited by the speed of the burner.

Wrong




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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:49:06 +1000 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
Sheep and then  "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote :

>Mark Bedingfield <atari030@nomorespampleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote
>> spodosaurus wrote
>
>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>> and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>> lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>>> drives for best performance:
>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work
>>> on the video files on this drive)
>>> 1x CDROM
>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
>>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
>>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I
>>> have one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it
>>> could go into her computer).
>
>> Get an IDE controller and separate all the drives. I.e. one drive per channel.
>
>Complete waste of time and money. Wont achieve
>a damned thing with the way that PC will be used.

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On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:51:22 +1000 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
Sheep and then  "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote :


>> Then it's probably better if the DVD image drive
>> is on a different cable from the DVD writer,
>
>It makes no difference, essentially because the speed of
>burning is completely limited by the speed of the DVD writer.

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T Shadow wrote:

> "Jeßus" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
> news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
> 
>>spodosaurus wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
>>>them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
>>>playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
>>>theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
>>>best performance:
>>>1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
>>>the video files on this drive)
>>>1x CDROM
>>>1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>
>>>What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>>placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
>>>each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
>>>could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I have
>>>one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
>>>into her computer).
>>
>>I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
> 
> practical.
> 
>>As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>
>>
> 
> I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I had my
> system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem with both
> drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it couldn't keep up.
> Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel rectified the situation. IOW
> you don't want the O/S and capture competing for the channel.
> YMMV
> 
> 

Bingo.

IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but you can 
if they're on separate channels. I.E.

Two on same channel---
readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB

Two on separate channels---

readA  readA  readA  readA
       writeB writeB writeB writeB

Shep� <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Mark Bedingfield <atari030@nomorespampleaseoptusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> spodosaurus wrote

>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>>>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>>> and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>>> lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>>>> drives for best performance:
>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work
>>>> on the video files on this drive)
>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner

>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive
>>>> on each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't
>>>> reach. I could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how
>>>> that goes (I have one that was going to go into our backup/file
>>>> server, but it could go into her computer).

>>> Get an IDE controller and separate
>>> all the drives. I.e. one drive per channel.

>> Complete waste of time and money. Wont achieve
>> a damned thing with the way that PC will be used.

> Wrong

Right. 

Shep� <nospam@nospam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> Then it's probably better if the DVD image drive
>>> is on a different cable from the DVD writer,

>> It makes no difference, essentially because the speed of
>> burning is completely limited by the speed of the DVD writer.

> Wrong

Right. 

David Maynard wrote:
> T Shadow wrote:
> 
>> "Je�us" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
>> news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and editting
>>>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
>>>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
>>>> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
>>>> best performance:
>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
>>>> the video files on this drive)
>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
>>>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
>>>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I 
>>>> have
>>>> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
>>>> into her computer).
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>> Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
>>
>>
>> practical.
>>
>>> As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>> I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I had my
>> system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem with 
>> both
>> drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it couldn't 
>> keep up.
>> Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel rectified the 
>> situation. IOW
>> you don't want the O/S and capture competing for the channel.
>> YMMV
>>
>>
> 
> Bingo.
> 
> IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but you 
> can if they're on separate channels. I.E.
> 
> Two on same channel---
> readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB
> 
> Two on separate channels---
> 
> readA  readA  readA  readA
>       writeB writeB writeB writeB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

And this goes even for the current 80-wire IDE ribbons? Sorry, too tired 
to google for it right now :-)

Ari


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spodosaurus wrote:

> David Maynard wrote:
> 
>> T Shadow wrote:
>>
>>> "Jeßus" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
>>> news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and 
>>>>> editting
>>>>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
>>>>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
>>>>> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
>>>>> best performance:
>>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work on
>>>>> the video files on this drive)
>>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>>
>>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
>>>>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
>>>>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes (I 
>>>>> have
>>>>> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
>>>>> into her computer).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>>> Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> practical.
>>>
>>>> As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>>> I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I had my
>>> system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem 
>>> with both
>>> drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it couldn't 
>>> keep up.
>>> Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel rectified the 
>>> situation. IOW
>>> you don't want the O/S and capture competing for the channel.
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bingo.
>>
>> IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but you 
>> can if they're on separate channels. I.E.
>>
>> Two on same channel---
>> readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB
>>
>> Two on separate channels---
>>
>> readA  readA  readA  readA
>>       writeB writeB writeB writeB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> And this goes even for the current 80-wire IDE ribbons? Sorry, too tired 
> to google for it right now :-)
> 
> Ari


Yes. 80 wire doesn't change how IDE works, it's just noise rejection for 
higher data rates.

David Maynard wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote:
> 
>> David Maynard wrote:
>>
>>> T Shadow wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Je�us" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and 
>>>>>> editting
>>>>>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
>>>>>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
>>>>>> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives for
>>>>>> best performance:
>>>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can 
>>>>>> work on
>>>>>> the video files on this drive)
>>>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>>>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
>>>>>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
>>>>>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes 
>>>>>> (I have
>>>>>> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it could go
>>>>>> into her computer).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>>>> Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> practical.
>>>>
>>>>> As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>>>> I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I had my
>>>> system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem 
>>>> with both
>>>> drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it couldn't 
>>>> keep up.
>>>> Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel rectified the 
>>>> situation. IOW
>>>> you don't want the O/S and capture competing for the channel.
>>>> YMMV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo.
>>>
>>> IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but you 
>>> can if they're on separate channels. I.E.
>>>
>>> Two on same channel---
>>> readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB
>>>
>>> Two on separate channels---
>>>
>>> readA  readA  readA  readA
>>>       writeB writeB writeB writeB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And this goes even for the current 80-wire IDE ribbons? Sorry, too 
>> tired to google for it right now :-)
>>
>> Ari
> 
> 
> 
> Yes. 80 wire doesn't change how IDE works, it's just noise rejection for 
> higher data rates.
> 
> 

Well, I've got an extra generic PCI IDE card now, so hopefully I can get 
it working on the WinXP system without too much fiddling and move each 
drive to a separate channel. I'm concerned that the generic IDE card 
will reduce drive performance though.

Ari


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transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
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spodosaurus wrote:

> David Maynard wrote:
> 
>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>
>>> David Maynard wrote:
>>>
>>>> T Shadow wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Jeßus" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and 
>>>>>>> editting
>>>>>>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and for
>>>>>>> playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the lecture
>>>>>>> theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE drives 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> best performance:
>>>>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can 
>>>>>>> work on
>>>>>>> the video files on this drive)
>>>>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>>>>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive on
>>>>>>> each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't reach. I
>>>>>>> could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how that goes 
>>>>>>> (I have
>>>>>>> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it 
>>>>>>> could go
>>>>>>> into her computer).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>>>>> Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> practical.
>>>>>
>>>>>> As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>>>>> I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I 
>>>>> had my
>>>>> system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem 
>>>>> with both
>>>>> drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it couldn't 
>>>>> keep up.
>>>>> Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel rectified the 
>>>>> situation. IOW
>>>>> you don't want the O/S and capture competing for the channel.
>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bingo.
>>>>
>>>> IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but 
>>>> you can if they're on separate channels. I.E.
>>>>
>>>> Two on same channel---
>>>> readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB
>>>>
>>>> Two on separate channels---
>>>>
>>>> readA  readA  readA  readA
>>>>       writeB writeB writeB writeB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And this goes even for the current 80-wire IDE ribbons? Sorry, too 
>>> tired to google for it right now :-)
>>>
>>> Ari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes. 80 wire doesn't change how IDE works, it's just noise rejection 
>> for higher data rates.
>>
>>
> 
> Well, I've got an extra generic PCI IDE card now, so hopefully I can get 
> it working on the WinXP system without too much fiddling and move each 
> drive to a separate channel. I'm concerned that the generic IDE card 
> will reduce drive performance though.
> 
> Ari
> 
> 

I don't see why it would. IDE is just an interface. The controller is on 
the drive.

David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:
> T Shadow wrote:
>
>> "Je�us" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
>> news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>>>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>>> and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>>> lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>>>> drives for best performance:
>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can
>>>> work on the video files on this drive)
>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>>> placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive
>>>> on each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't
>>>> reach. I could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how
>>>> that goes (I have one that was going to go into our backup/file
>>>> server, but it could go into her computer).
>>>
>>> I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>> Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
>>
>> practical.
>>
>>> As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>> I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I had
>> my system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem
>> with both drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it
>> couldn't keep up. Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel
>> rectified the situation. IOW you don't want the O/S and capture
>> competing for the channel. YMMV
>>
>>
>
> Bingo.
>
> IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but you
> can if they're on separate channels. I.E.
>
> Two on same channel---
> readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB
>
> Two on separate channels---
>
> readA  readA  readA  readA
>        writeB writeB writeB writeB

Pity that you dont need to in the situation being discussed. 

David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote:
>
>> David Maynard wrote:
>>
>>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>>
>>>> David Maynard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> T Shadow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Je�us" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>>>>>>>> editting
>>>>>>>> them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS, and
>>>>>>>> for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>>>>>>> lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her
>>>>>>>> IDE drives for
>>>>>>>> best performance:
>>>>>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>>>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can
>>>>>>>> work on
>>>>>>>> the video files on this drive)
>>>>>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>>>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives
>>>>>>>> should be placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an
>>>>>>>> optical drive on each ribbon but realised that the ribbons
>>>>>>>> probably wouldn't reach. I could try and add a PCI IDE
>>>>>>>> expansion card and see how that goes (I have
>>>>>>>> one that was going to go into our backup/file server, but it
>>>>>>>> could go
>>>>>>>> into her computer).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>>>>>> Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>>>>>> I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I
>>>>>> had my
>>>>>> system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem
>>>>>> with both
>>>>>> drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it
>>>>>> couldn't keep up.
>>>>>> Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel rectified the
>>>>>> situation. IOW
>>>>>> you don't want the O/S and capture competing for the channel.
>>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bingo.
>>>>>
>>>>> IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but
>>>>> you can if they're on separate channels. I.E.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two on same channel---
>>>>> readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB
>>>>>
>>>>> Two on separate channels---
>>>>>
>>>>> readA  readA  readA  readA
>>>>>       writeB writeB writeB writeB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And this goes even for the current 80-wire IDE ribbons? Sorry, too
>>>> tired to google for it right now :-)
>>>>
>>>> Ari
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. 80 wire doesn't change how IDE works, it's just noise rejection
>>> for higher data rates.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, I've got an extra generic PCI IDE card now, so hopefully I can
>> get it working on the WinXP system without too much fiddling and
>> move each drive to a separate channel. I'm concerned that the
>> generic IDE card will reduce drive performance though.
>>
>> Ari
>>
>>
>
> I don't see why it would. IDE is just an interface. The controller is
> on the drive.

Thanks for that completely superfluous
proof that you've never ever had a clue. 

Shep� <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:46:05 +1000 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
> Sheep and then  "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote :
>
>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote
>>
>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>> and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>> lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>>> drives for best performance: 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can work
>>> on the video files on this drive)
>>> 1x CDROM
>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>
>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>> placed on?
>>
>> It doesnt normally matter much, essentially because
>> ops are normally limited by the speed of the burner.
>
> Wrong

Right. 

Rod Speed wrote:

> David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:
> 
>>T Shadow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Jeßus" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
>>>news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>spodosaurus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>>>>>editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>>>>and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment the
>>>>>lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange her IDE
>>>>>drives for best performance:
>>>>>1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>>>1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can
>>>>>work on the video files on this drive)
>>>>>1x CDROM
>>>>>1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>>
>>>>>What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should be
>>>>>placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical drive
>>>>>on each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably wouldn't
>>>>>reach. I could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and see how
>>>>>that goes (I have one that was going to go into our backup/file
>>>>>server, but it could go into her computer).
>>>>
>>>>I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>>>Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
>>>
>>>practical.
>>>
>>>
>>>>As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>>>I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I had
>>>my system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a problem
>>>with both drives on the same channel but when I added a HDTV card it
>>>couldn't keep up. Putting the "capture" drive on it's own channel
>>>rectified the situation. IOW you don't want the O/S and capture
>>>competing for the channel. YMMV
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Bingo.
>>
>>IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but you
>>can if they're on separate channels. I.E.
>>
>>Two on same channel---
>>readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB
>>
>>Two on separate channels---
>>
>>readA  readA  readA  readA
>>       writeB writeB writeB writeB
> 
> 
> Pity that you dont need to in the situation being discussed. 
> 
> 

I haven't seen a computer yet that didn't both read and write to the hard 
drive(s), if it had them.

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:37:32 -0500 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
Sheep and then  David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote :

>> 
>> Pity that you dont need to in the situation being discussed. 
>> 
>> 
>
>I haven't seen a computer yet that didn't both read and write to the hard 
>drive(s), if it had them.

Don't bother with this Git Dave.He's been trolling mis-information for
years.Just kill file him.



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Shep© wrote:

> On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:37:32 -0500 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
> Sheep and then  David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote :
> 
> 
>>>Pity that you dont need to in the situation being discussed. 
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I haven't seen a computer yet that didn't both read and write to the hard 
>>drive(s), if it had them.
> 
> 
> Don't bother with this Git Dave.He's been trolling mis-information for
> years.Just kill file him.
> 
> 
> 

Ah. Thanks for the tip.

David Maynard wrote:
> Shep� wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:37:32 -0500 As Androids Dreamed Of Electric
>> Sheep and then  David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote :
>>
>>
>>>> Pity that you dont need to in the situation being discussed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't seen a computer yet that didn't both read and write to the 
>>> hard drive(s), if it had them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't bother with this Git Dave.He's been trolling mis-information for
>> years.Just kill file him.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Ah. Thanks for the tip.
> 
> 

Every so often he does have some valuable information. Unfortunately 
it's mixed in with general nastiness which comprises the vast majority 
of his posts, so the kill file is often called in.

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David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:
>>
>>> T Shadow wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Je�us" <_._@ii.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:11etpaj8l7em16@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife is going to be taking video clips from VHS and DVD and
>>>>>> editting them into compilations for lectures (output to DVD, VHS,
>>>>>> and for playback from a laptop, depending on what AV equipment
>>>>>> the lecture theatres have). I'm wondering how I should arrange
>>>>>> her IDE drives for best performance:
>>>>>> 1x 40GB Seagate HDD
>>>>>> 1x 120GB Western Digital HDD (about to be installed so she can
>>>>>> work on the video files on this drive)
>>>>>> 1x CDROM
>>>>>> 1x Pioneer DVR107D DVD burner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are your thoughts on which IDE ribbons these drives should
>>>>>> be placed on? I was thinking about a hard drive and an optical
>>>>>> drive on each ribbon but realised that the ribbons probably
>>>>>> wouldn't reach. I could try and add a PCI IDE expansion card and
>>>>>> see how that goes (I have one that was going to go into our
>>>>>> backup/file server, but it could go into her computer).
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think any given combo will make a huge difference...
>>>>> Although I would try to keep the two HDDs on separate channels if
>>>>
>>>> practical.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As you say though, the ribbons may not be long enough.
>>>>> I wouldnt worry about it too much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think you are correct about HDDs on separate channels . When I
>>>> had my system just doing analog capture I didn't notice having a
>>>> problem with both drives on the same channel but when I added a
>>>> HDTV card it couldn't keep up. Putting the "capture" drive on it's
>>>> own channel rectified the situation. IOW you don't want the O/S
>>>> and capture competing for the channel. YMMV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo.
>>>
>>> IDE can't overlap requests to two devices on the same channel but
>>> you can if they're on separate channels. I.E.
>>>
>>> Two on same channel---
>>> readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB readA  writeB
>>>
>>> Two on separate channels---
>>>
>>> readA  readA  readA  readA
>>>       writeB writeB writeB writeB
>>
>>
>> Pity that you dont need to in the situation being discussed.

> I haven't seen a computer yet that didn't both read and write to the
> hard drive(s), if it had them.

Pity that its only SIMULTANEOUS ops where there is any
advantage with a separate channel per drive, and even that
is entirely theoretical when burning DVDs since the total time
to burn the DVD is determined by the speed the DVD can
write at, not the speed of access to the hard drive.

Even when editing, it aint the access to the hard
drives that determines the speed of transcoding etc. 

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 07:37:14 +1000 Operating Systems and Software are
not Religions "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote :

>Pity that its only SIMULTANEOUS ops where there is any
>advantage with a separate channel per drive, and even that
>is entirely theoretical when burning DVDs since the total time
>to burn the DVD is determined by the speed the DVD can
>write at, not the speed of access to the hard drive.
>
>Even when editing, it aint the access to the hard
>drives that determines the speed of transcoding etc. 
>

Didn't kill file you Roddy Troll (Care-in the community please give
him his meds nurse) just to see what shit you posted.Above statement
destruction as follows.So you have a PC with 4.5 gig of RAM installed
or dare I say,9 gig.

If you can explain  why I am right and you are wrong please go
ahead.You have not and never will understand PCs and windows and the
virtual memory and now pagefile system.

.



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