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Article #2332Re: Upgrading PC
From: BadSweetums
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:48
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:48
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I installed a Celeron 500 into a 440LX SOYO SY-6KL motherboard that sounds a lot like your colleague's ATC-6210. The 6KL was slow compared to an Intel 810 motherboard with the same processor at the same clock speed and amount of system memory. I think 440LX system performance is seriously impaired by obsolete technologies built into the 440LX chipset. Memory bandwidth suffers due to the 66MHz bus clock. The 440LX hard drive controller is ATA33. The AGP port is AGP 1.0. The USB connection is USB 1.0 ( 1MB/s). The best thing to say about most 440LXs is that they are here and already paid for. So, let's talk about meaningful improvements now that we know why it is not a good idea to spend a lot of money upgrading a 440LX. a) The best (not overclocked) processor for a 440LX system will be a PPGA Celeron 533 in a slotket adapter. And, Celeron 300A's and 333s are better than Pentium II 333s. Celeron L-2 cache is part of the processor. Pentium IIs use external memory chips that run at half the processor's core speed. So, a Celeron's 128KB cache is usually more effective than a Pentium IIs 512KB cache because it is better synchronized to the processor. I think all Celerons (except engineering samples) are clock multiplier locked. So, don't worry about motherboard clock multiplier settings. Everything will be fine if the motherboard's bios has been updated to support Celeron processors. Overclocking with a 75 MHz clock setting should be safe. Late production (from about when Celeron 433s were introduced) PPGA Celeron cores will usually overclock to about 585 MHz. Early cores usually max out around 450 MHz. So, Celeron 533s (8x multiplier) won't overclock at 75 MHz, 8 x 75 = 600. But most Celeron 500s will probably operate as Celeron 563s. Your colleague may have an 83 MHz clock option but using it will put the PCI bus so far out of specification as to endanger the hard drive and other components. The 440LX PCI clock is half of the system clock. 66/2 = 33, the standard PCI clock. 75/2 = 37.5, a little more than 10% faster than the design specification and usually no problem. 83/2 = 41.5, or almost 25% faster than the PCI bus is supposed to be clocked at and many hardware failures were reportedly caused by operating at out of spec clock rates. Oh! And the 440LX AGP clock is the system clock. So, some video cards generate corrupted graphics when the system is overclocked. b) Use good memory. Try to find memory that can operate at 222 timings. 333 memory timings are worse at low clock speeds because the time interval between clocks is longer. The 128MB DIMMs are probably the better idea. Minimizing the amount of virtual memory should help a lot. 256 MBs of system memory should be enough for a Windows 9x system. c) I hope your colleage has an open PCI slot. Updating to an ATA66, or higher, hard drive controller will really improve system performance (if you have ATA66, or higher hard drives). I recently figured out that people think SCSI is faster than IDE because Intel motherboard chipset built-in hard drive controllers were slow ATA33 until the 810 chipset boards introduced ATA66. d) I think your colleague should ignore most USB hardware. The 440LX's built-in USB 1.0 offers 1 MB/sec bandwidth. A USB 1.1 PCI card would provide 11 MB/sec bandwidth. A USB 2.0 PCI card would offer more than 450 MB/sec. I bought a USB 2.0 card because my USB 1.1 webcam seemed slow on my motherboard's USB 1.0 port. The webcam works much better now that it has the bandwidth it needs. (A 1.1 adapter would have worked as well, but the price was right.) e) There is no cure for the AGP 1.0 limitation. But poor performance is not the biggest thing to worry about. New AGP cards have reduced voltage requirements and increased current requirements. So, putting the wrong video card on your colleague's motherboard could be deadly to the video card. I recommend upgrading to a PCI video card. Even the original nVidia Riva TnT video cards had problems on some 440LX boards. (serious people installed jumpers to get enough voltage from the power connector to the AGP ports) Or, stay obsolete. I like my Accelgraphics Permedia2 cards as long as I don't try to play modern 3D video games. Good Luck
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