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Re: IDE VS. SCSI

#3753
From: Lane Lewis
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 19:17
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Which is important in a server due to the thousands of accesses to the hard
drives, Home user doesn't matter much.
There just is no compelling reason for the home user to use SCSI. Firewire
will replace it soon on the desktop.

Lane

"Steven Wiser" <SLWISERR@erols.com> wrote in message
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> One more thing that I think may be important to this issue is that IDE
> is single threading in its response and SCSI is multi-threading.  This
> is to say if you have more than one thread attempting to access the
> harddrive the SCSI will allow access to both threads to read the data
> while the IDE would have one thread completely locked out.  Even more
> important when you have dual channels for the SCSI.
>
> Steve
>
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2001 04:08:42 GMT, "Dale \"Mad_Murdock\" White"
> <whiteda@home.com> wrote:
>
> >First, you really shouldn't cross post to so many different newsgroup.
> >
> >A comparison of SCSI and IDE can be rather long and drawn out depending
out which
> >phase of the technology your at with each. Instead, I'll just go over the
highlights
> >and let other who so desire dive into the gory details.
> >
> >Typically SCSI has always been faster than IDE (Currently it's 160MB/s
versus 100
> >MB/s), offered more devices than IDE (15 to 7) and had little impact on
CPU usage (5%
> >versus 75%). With new technologies like UDMA and the ability to add
multiple IDE
> >cards, you can now come pretty close to matching SCSI functions and
performance.
> >
> >SCSI also tends to be more expensive then IDE, partly because of it's
advantages and
> >partly because SCSI devices have a longer mean time between
Failure\repair
> >(MTBF\MTBR). SCSI cards are able to multi process, meaning they can carry
out
> >multiple I/O request at a time, IDE, I believe, is still serial based
meaning I/O
> >request line up. You also need an OS like Win NT/2000/Linux to be able to
take
> >advantage of Multi process I/Os
> >
> >With a normal PC, you can have 4 IDE devices. With any SCSI card you can
have at
> >least 7 and with new cards 15 devices. SCSI pretty much always gives you
external
> >connectors (as you probably won't find many cases that support 15
devices) SCSI also
> >tend to have the larger drives first, but it seems in the last year or
so, IDEs are
> >really screaming by.
> >
> >SCSI allows you to go greater distances. Depending on the technologies in
use, the
> >SCSI devices could be from 6 meters to 25 meters from the PC. SCSI allows
you to
> >share SCSI Buses, which is used in the cluster world to allow 2 or more
PCs to access
> >the same disks or at least the same disks arrays.
> >
> >Until recently, SCSI was the only technology that offered hardware RAID
features.
> >(RAID is a subject in itself) Though most home users have never had a
real need for
> >it, and the cost for a hardware raid controller is normally not worth the
minimal
> >benefits (again, for a average home user). SCSI controllers also tend to
have fairly
> >large amounts of cache (or memory) on them. Most standard controllers
today have
> >between 32 to 64 megs of ram, with the big boys have as much as a gig of
ram., of
> >course, the cost for a 64 meg SCSI RAID controller is around $1000-3000,
depending on
> >the technology it deploys.
> >
> >SCSI is ideal in environments that needs fast large disks, performing
heavy read and
> >write request. For more home users, there is very little reason to go to
SCSI because
> >the cost is so much more than the gain, especially running in the Win9x
world. But if
> >you wanted to create a 400 Gig disks volume at the hardware level, then
SCSI would be
> >the perfect technology.
> >
> >Again, this is just kinda of skimming the surface, and their are plenty
of variables
> >to this. If you really want to know more, I would start at
www.Adaptec.com and do a
> >few searches on SCSI vs. IDE and RAID. Plenty of reading.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >Dale
> >
> >
> >"Holy Smoke" <kissme@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:cNYj7.37727$Iq4.18664937@typhoon.columbus.rr.com...
> >> Can you tell me the difference between them? what is their advantage,
and
> >> disadvantage?
> >> what can scsi do that ide cant? (sorry, hehe, i need more info about
scsi,
> >> know enough of ide)
> >>
> >> X-Post?
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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