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R wrote:
> Hey all!
>
> At school we are using Borland Turbo C++ v4.5. I'd like to work on my
> assignements at home. Is there anyplace to get v4.5 of Borlands C
> online? How about an equivilent?
>
> I noticed that Borland has v5.5 of their C++ Builder online for
> download, as well as a trial version of the v6 C++ Builder, but these
> seem like WAY overkill for the small stuff we're doing in school.
>
> Can anyone help me out?

The Borland Command Line 5.5 is no overkill.  It is a small stuff, there
isn't even an IDE in it.  Just use it.

A

No IDE? How do you program in it?

It's hard to get syntax checking/highlighting and autoformatting if there is
no programming interface.

"Attila Feher" <attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se> wrote in message
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> R wrote:
> > Hey all!
> >
> > At school we are using Borland Turbo C++ v4.5. I'd like to work on my
> > assignements at home. Is there anyplace to get v4.5 of Borlands C
> > online? How about an equivilent?
> >
> > I noticed that Borland has v5.5 of their C++ Builder online for
> > download, as well as a trial version of the v6 C++ Builder, but these
> > seem like WAY overkill for the small stuff we're doing in school.
> >
> > Can anyone help me out?
>
> The Borland Command Line 5.5 is no overkill.  It is a small stuff, there
> isn't even an IDE in it.  Just use it.
>
> A
>
>

R wrote:
> No IDE? How do you program in it?
> 
> It's hard to get syntax checking/highlighting and autoformatting if there is
> no programming interface.
> 
> "Attila Feher" <attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se> wrote in message
> news:b9cp0l$73t$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
> 
>>R wrote:
>>
>>>Hey all!
>>>
>>>At school we are using Borland Turbo C++ v4.5. I'd like to work on my
>>>assignements at home. Is there anyplace to get v4.5 of Borlands C
>>>online? How about an equivilent?
>>>
>>>I noticed that Borland has v5.5 of their C++ Builder online for
>>>download, as well as a trial version of the v6 C++ Builder, but these
>>>seem like WAY overkill for the small stuff we're doing in school.
>>>
>>>Can anyone help me out?
>>
>>The Borland Command Line 5.5 is no overkill.  It is a small stuff, there
>>isn't even an IDE in it.  Just use it.
>>
>>A
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
i like programmer's notepad
www.pnotepad.org

"R" <R@R.R> wrote in message
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> No IDE? How do you program in it?
>
> It's hard to get syntax checking/highlighting and autoformatting if there
is
> no programming interface.

Dont top post. And I am too lazy to rearrange.
Anyways, you can download editors that have syntax highlighting and
autoformatting.
Else, buy a copy of Visual studio.

>
> "Attila Feher" <attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se> wrote in message
> news:b9cp0l$73t$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
> > R wrote:
> > > Hey all!
> > >
> > > At school we are using Borland Turbo C++ v4.5. I'd like to work on my
> > > assignements at home. Is there anyplace to get v4.5 of Borlands C
> > > online? How about an equivilent?
> > >
> > > I noticed that Borland has v5.5 of their C++ Builder online for
> > > download, as well as a trial version of the v6 C++ Builder, but these
> > > seem like WAY overkill for the small stuff we're doing in school.
> > >
> > > Can anyone help me out?
> >
> > The Borland Command Line 5.5 is no overkill.  It is a small stuff, there
> > isn't even an IDE in it.  Just use it.
> >
> > A
> >
> >
>
>


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Ashish wrote:
> "R" <R@R.R> wrote in message
> news:Cbmua.284493$vs.22424998@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
>> No IDE? How do you program in it?
>>
>> It's hard to get syntax checking/highlighting and autoformatting if
>> there is no programming interface.
>
> Dont top post. And I am too lazy to rearrange.
> Anyways, you can download editors that have syntax highlighting and
> autoformatting.
> Else, buy a copy of Visual studio.
[SNIP]

Agreed.  Scite (or wscite for the Windows executable) is one great editor,
where you can even get context sensitive help with the (freely) downloadable
Borland help files.

Anyways.  Anyone who is addicted to an IDE is either making some (G)UI bound
programming (and is prone to make even the business rules GUI bound) or is
not a real programmer.  IDEs are not a requirement for programming,
especially not for small school projects.  I see no great advantage between
pressing F8 in an editor or IDE or typing make and enter on the command
line...

A

A

Ok...

How about...

I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as the one
I use at school?

"Attila Feher" <attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se> wrote in message
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> Ashish wrote:
> > "R" <R@R.R> wrote in message
> > news:Cbmua.284493$vs.22424998@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
> >> No IDE? How do you program in it?
> >>
> >> It's hard to get syntax checking/highlighting and autoformatting if
> >> there is no programming interface.
> >
> > Dont top post. And I am too lazy to rearrange.
> > Anyways, you can download editors that have syntax highlighting and
> > autoformatting.
> > Else, buy a copy of Visual studio.
> [SNIP]
>
> Agreed.  Scite (or wscite for the Windows executable) is one great editor,
> where you can even get context sensitive help with the (freely)
downloadable
> Borland help files.
>
> Anyways.  Anyone who is addicted to an IDE is either making some (G)UI
bound
> programming (and is prone to make even the business rules GUI bound) or is
> not a real programmer.  IDEs are not a requirement for programming,
> especially not for small school projects.  I see no great advantage
between
> pressing F8 in an editor or IDE or typing make and enter on the command
> line...
>
> A
>
> A
>
>

R wrote:
> Ok...
>
> How about...
>
> I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as
> the one I use at school?
[SNIP]

Do not top post please.  If you want to tie yourself to exactly the same
environment as in school (and learn way less) then you need to contact your
school for the environment.

A

"R" <R@R.R> wrote:

>How about...
>
>I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as the one
>I use at school?

Just find out where the main directory for Turbo C++ is on your school
network and copy it to your drive, then either burn it or split it
onto a few floppies. If I remember rightly, it was about 4 floppies
when I did it, make sure you get all the libraries.

Alternatively grab a copy of kazaa-lite and search for "turbo C++",
there are 22 user online *now* with it - 3150kb, that's all.

"Adie" <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "R" <R@R.R> wrote:
>
> >How about...
> >
> >I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as the
one
> >I use at school?
>
> Just find out where the main directory for Turbo C++ is on your school
> network and copy it to your drive, then either burn it or split it
> onto a few floppies. If I remember rightly, it was about 4 floppies
> when I did it, make sure you get all the libraries.
>
> Alternatively grab a copy of kazaa-lite and search for "turbo C++",
> there are 22 user online *now* with it - 3150kb, that's all.

Dont promote piracy. Not openly atleast. There are so many goddamned free
compilers, editors and IDEs out there.


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"Ashish" <ashoooo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Adie" <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> "R" <R@R.R> wrote:
>>
>> >How about...
>> >
>> >I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as the
>one
>> >I use at school?
>>
>> Just find out where the main directory for Turbo C++ is on your school
>> network and copy it to your drive, then either burn it or split it
>> onto a few floppies. If I remember rightly, it was about 4 floppies
>> when I did it, make sure you get all the libraries.
>>
>> Alternatively grab a copy of kazaa-lite and search for "turbo C++",
>> there are 22 user online *now* with it - 3150kb, that's all.
>
>Dont promote piracy. Not openly atleast. 

So I should promote it in private and that would be ok?

The guy needs a compiler for a school project, he wants to have a play
around with the stuff he's learnt in class - that's a long way from my
personal opinion of what stands for piracy. If he starts using it
commercially, then he (as most people believe) should do the "right
thing" and pay. 

"Adie" <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Ashish" <ashoooo@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"Adie" <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> "R" <R@R.R> wrote:
> >>
> >> >How about...
> >> >
> >> >I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as
the
> >one
> >> >I use at school?
> >>
> >> Just find out where the main directory for Turbo C++ is on your school
> >> network and copy it to your drive, then either burn it or split it
> >> onto a few floppies. If I remember rightly, it was about 4 floppies
> >> when I did it, make sure you get all the libraries.
> >>
> >> Alternatively grab a copy of kazaa-lite and search for "turbo C++",
> >> there are 22 user online *now* with it - 3150kb, that's all.
> >
> >Dont promote piracy. Not openly atleast.
>
> So I should promote it in private and that would be ok?

No, that wont be ok either. But that way people wont know about your
stupidity.

>
> The guy needs a compiler for a school project, he wants to have a play
> around with the stuff he's learnt in class - that's a long way from my
> personal opinion of what stands for piracy. If he starts using it
> commercially, then he (as most people believe) should do the "right
> thing" and pay.

WTF are you talking about? That doesnt justify pirating software. As far as
I know, his school already has TC installed. He can very well use those
computers.


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"Ashish" <ashoooo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Adie" <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:7ilkbvsdn7hdke4s5sv3hjh8qirc390seo@4ax.com...
>> "Ashish" <ashoooo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >"Adie" <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> "R" <R@R.R> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >How about...
>> >> >
>> >> >I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as the one
>> >> >I use at school?
>> >>
>> >> Just find out where the main directory for Turbo C++ is on your school
>> >> network and copy it to your drive, then either burn it or split it
>> >> onto a few floppies. If I remember rightly, it was about 4 floppies
>> >> when I did it, make sure you get all the libraries.
>> >>
>> >> Alternatively grab a copy of kazaa-lite and search for "turbo C++",
>> >> there are 22 user online *now* with it - 3150kb, that's all.
>> >
>> >Dont promote piracy. Not openly atleast.
>>
>> So I should promote it in private and that would be ok?
>
>No, that wont be ok either. But that way people wont know about your
>stupidity.

You need to make your mind up, "Dont promote piracy. Not openly
atleast." suggest you think it's ok in private. Perhaps you meant to
say "Dont promote piracy." Which would suggest youre whiter than white
and have never used *any* pirated software. Is that the case?

>> The guy needs a compiler for a school project, he wants to have a play
>> around with the stuff he's learnt in class - that's a long way from my
>> personal opinion of what stands for piracy. If he starts using it
>> commercially, then he (as most people believe) should do the "right
>> thing" and pay.
>
>WTF are you talking about? That doesnt justify pirating software. 

It does for me. One might resent spending hundreds of sheckles buying
software or hardware that might only be used for one class, don't you
think?

>As far as I know, his school already has TC installed. He can very well use those
>computers.

*blink* 

Of course they have TC installed, that's why he said "I want to use
the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as the one I use at
school".

In article <b9ctsj$97f$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>, 
attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se says...

[ ... ]

> Anyways.  Anyone who is addicted to an IDE is either making some (G)UI bound
> programming (and is prone to make even the business rules GUI bound) or is
> not a real programmer. 

Higher level languages are only for those who are too wimpy to even use 
assembly language. Assembly language is for weenies.  Real programming 
is done with patch cords and soldering irons!

Seriously though, you're basically full of crap on this one!  The mere 
fact that sombody's preferences differ from yours means nothing about 
their programming ability.

> IDEs are not a requirement for programming,
> especially not for small school projects.  I see no great advantage between
> pressing F8 in an editor or IDE or typing make and enter on the command
> line...

Your lack of perception means nothing about their utility.

-- 
    Later,
    Jerry.

The universe is a figment of its own imagination.

On Thu, 08 May 2003 10:24:52 -0400, Adie wrote:

> "Ashish" <ashoooo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>"Adie" <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:7ilkbvsdn7hdke4s5sv3hjh8qirc390seo@4ax.com...
>>> "Ashish" <ashoooo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >"Adie" <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> "R" <R@R.R> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >How about...
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings,
>>> >> >as the one I use at school?
>>> >>
>>> >> Just find out where the main directory for Turbo C++ is on your
>>> >> school network and copy it to your drive, then either burn it or
>>> >> split it onto a few floppies. If I remember rightly, it was about 4
>>> >> floppies when I did it, make sure you get all the libraries.
>>> >>
>>> >> Alternatively grab a copy of kazaa-lite and search for "turbo C++",
>>> >> there are 22 user online *now* with it - 3150kb, that's all.
>>> >
>>> >Dont promote piracy. Not openly atleast.
>>>
>>> So I should promote it in private and that would be ok?
>>
>>No, that wont be ok either. But that way people wont know about your
>>stupidity.
> 
> You need to make your mind up, "Dont promote piracy. Not openly
> atleast." suggest you think it's ok in private. Perhaps you meant to say
> "Dont promote piracy." Which would suggest youre whiter than white and
> have never used *any* pirated software. Is that the case?

NO, being a software developer, I dont promote piracy. I dont promote any
form of stealing. As for your stupid reason, you can try to justify it as
much as you want. I dont really care.


> 
>>> The guy needs a compiler for a school project, he wants to have a play
>>> around with the stuff he's learnt in class - that's a long way from my
>>> personal opinion of what stands for piracy. If he starts using it
>>> commercially, then he (as most people believe) should do the "right
>>> thing" and pay.
>>
>>WTF are you talking about? That doesnt justify pirating software.
> 
> It does for me. One might resent spending hundreds of sheckles buying
> software or hardware that might only be used for one class, don't you
> think?
> 


Yes, I think. Thats why I post.


>>As far as I know, his school already has TC installed. He can very well
>>use those computers.
> 
> *blink*
> 
> Of course they have TC installed, that's why he said "I want to use the
> same editor, with the same rules and settings, as the one I use at
> school".
 


What can I say? Nice logic, I like it.


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R wrote:

> Hey all!
> 
> At school we are using Borland Turbo C++ v4.5. I'd like to work on my
> assignements at home. Is there anyplace to get v4.5 of Borlands C
> online? How about an equivilent?

It was given away on a cover disk. Going back through past threads it
looks like it was only in the UK, and iirc, it also gets shipped with
Builder though that may be professional versions and greater.
 
> I noticed that Borland has v5.5 of their C++ Builder online for
> download, as well as a trial version of the v6 C++ Builder, but these
> seem like WAY overkill for the small stuff we're doing in school.

Third-party IDE's are freely available for the 5.5 command line
compiler. A console based debugger can also be downloaded from borland.

Turbo C++ 4.5 is too old for serious learning. It's up to you to decide.
Doesn't matter a great deal if it's only an introductory or
appreciation course. Otherwise, get something up to date...

Your free windows options are in the faq: mingw, cygwin and v.5.5
mentioned above.


-- 
Guy Harrison

Jerry Coffin wrote:
> In article <b9ctsj$97f$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se>,
> attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se says...
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> Anyways.  Anyone who is addicted to an IDE is either making some
>> (G)UI bound programming (and is prone to make even the business
>> rules GUI bound) or is not a real programmer.
>
> Higher level languages are only for those who are too wimpy to even
> use assembly language. Assembly language is for weenies.  Real
> programming
> is done with patch cords and soldering irons!
>
> Seriously though, you're basically full of crap on this one!  The mere
> fact that sombody's preferences differ from yours means nothing about
> their programming ability.

Take a chill pill pal.

>> IDEs are not a requirement for programming,
>> especially not for small school projects.  I see no great advantage
>> between pressing F8 in an editor or IDE or typing make and enter on
>> the command line...
>
> Your lack of perception means nothing about their utility.

You have completely missed my point.  BTW I have a good filter for you:
whenever you turn to personal remarks you better not post.

A

TC++ 4.5 is a much simplier IDE compared to VS C++.  If it still available
you can try the training textbook/CD application combination textbook named
"Teach Yourself Borland C++ Builder in 14 days".  I includes the software
TC++ 4.5 and CBuilder4 (I think it's 4) and I think TC++ 3.0 as well.  I
purchase mine at CompUSA about 3 years ago.  This book's ISBN is
0-672-31051-1 and by SAMS Publishing.

Terence Ifan Bland
please reply to: ifanbland@yahoo.com


"Attila Feher" <attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se> wrote in message
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> R wrote:
> > Ok...
> >
> > How about...
> >
> > I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as
> > the one I use at school?
> [SNIP]
>
> Do not top post please.  If you want to tie yourself to exactly the same
> environment as in school (and learn way less) then you need to contact
your
> school for the environment.
>
> A
>
>

"Terence Ifan Bland" <Terence.Bland@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> TC++ 4.5 is a much simplier IDE compared to VS C++.  If it still available
> you can try the training textbook/CD application combination textbook
named
> "Teach Yourself Borland C++ Builder in 14 days".  I includes the software
> TC++ 4.5 and CBuilder4 (I think it's 4) and I think TC++ 3.0 as well.  I
> purchase mine at CompUSA about 3 years ago.  This book's ISBN is
> 0-672-31051-1 and by SAMS Publishing.
>
> Terence Ifan Bland
> please reply to: ifanbland@yahoo.com
>

Dont top post, please, pleeeeeeeeease. About TC++, I dont think it has the
standard templates. Thats why I have stopped using it a long time ago.


>
> "Attila Feher" <attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se> wrote in message
> news:b9d52k$ck8$1@newstree.wise.edt.ericsson.se...
> > R wrote:
> > > Ok...
> > >
> > > How about...
> > >
> > > I want to use the same editor, with the same rules and settings, as
> > > the one I use at school?
> > [SNIP]
> >
> > Do not top post please.  If you want to tie yourself to exactly the same
> > environment as in school (and learn way less) then you need to contact
> your
> > school for the environment.
> >
> > A
> >
> >
>
>


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Ashish wrote:
> "Terence Ifan Bland" <Terence.Bland@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:WwZva.4096$oy.2450@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...
>> TC++ 4.5 is a much simplier IDE compared to VS C++.  If it still
>> available you can try the training textbook/CD application
>> combination textbook named "Teach Yourself Borland C++ Builder in 14
>> days".  I includes the software TC++ 4.5 and CBuilder4 (I think it's
>> 4) and I think TC++ 3.0 as well.  I purchase mine at CompUSA about 3
>> years ago.  This book's ISBN is 0-672-31051-1 and by SAMS Publishing.
>>
>> Terence Ifan Bland
>> please reply to: ifanbland@yahoo.com
>>
>
> Dont top post, please, pleeeeeeeeease. About TC++, I dont think it
> has the standard templates. Thats why I have stopped using it a long
> time ago.

You could still use STLport or some other similar.  However I am pretty sure
that TC++ lacks the mandatory language support for a good enough standard
library implementation (I mean the template based part).

A

"Attila Feher" <attila.feher@lmf.ericsson.se> wrote in message
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> Ashish wrote:
> > "Terence Ifan Bland" <Terence.Bland@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:WwZva.4096$oy.2450@nwrddc04.gnilink.net...
> >> TC++ 4.5 is a much simplier IDE compared to VS C++.  If it still
> >> available you can try the training textbook/CD application
> >> combination textbook named "Teach Yourself Borland C++ Builder in 14
> >> days".  I includes the software TC++ 4.5 and CBuilder4 (I think it's
> >> 4) and I think TC++ 3.0 as well.  I purchase mine at CompUSA about 3
> >> years ago.  This book's ISBN is 0-672-31051-1 and by SAMS Publishing.
> >>
> >> Terence Ifan Bland
> >> please reply to: ifanbland@yahoo.com
> >>
> >
> > Dont top post, please, pleeeeeeeeease. About TC++, I dont think it
> > has the standard templates. Thats why I have stopped using it a long
> > time ago.
>
> You could still use STLport or some other similar.  However I am pretty
sure
> that TC++ lacks the mandatory language support for a good enough standard
> library implementation (I mean the template based part).
>
> A
>
>

I dont know, I used to use it in school and it served the purpose. But for
serious programming... no way


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