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Jimmy Cricket wrote:
> 
> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
> speed...
> 
> Previous burner:                Sony 8x4x32x
> Replacement:            Lite-on 24x10x40x
> 
> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
> got...
> 
> Sony:           527MB in 8 min 13
> Lite-on:                527 MB in 5min13
> 
> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
> 
> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
> 
> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
> faster (24/8)
> 
> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
> thing.
> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
> reported by Nero)
> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
> reported by Nero)
> 
> Guess what?
> 
> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!

Welcome to the real world.

Soon you'll get over the shock of discovering that numbers made up
by marketing types cannot begin to accurately describe the CD burning
process.  You may wish to read some published reviews of CD-RW drives,
where their actual performance in a typical computer system is
measured and compared.

Mark  (my email domain is net)

That's not right!  I have the Plextor 241040a and I can write a 650 mb disk
in 3:45 and usually the 700 mb disk in 4:00.  Are you sure you're using 24x
media?  I purchased Fuji 24x media that can't burn any faster than 16x,
which is about the same speed as you stated.  Try some other disks and see
if that doesn't improve.

Bob

"Jimmy Cricket" <x@x.com> wrote in message
news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
> speed...
>
> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
>
> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
> got...
>
> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
>
> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
>
> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
>
> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
> faster (24/8)
>
> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
> thing.
> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
> reported by Nero)
> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
> reported by Nero)
>
> Guess what?
>
> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
>
> Melbourne,
> Australia
>
>

>Welcome to the real world.
>
>Soon you'll get over the shock of discovering that numbers made up
>by marketing types cannot begin to accurately describe the CD burning
>process.  You may wish to read some published reviews of CD-RW drives,
>where their actual performance in a typical computer system is
>measured and compared.

what if a got a lemon burner?

i'm getting paranoid now. arghh!!!

I don't know what's going on. Every second the light alternates
between orange and red. Is this normal?

Also, does the "Recorder Buffer Level / State" (if you have Nero) keep
going up and down in percentage fast on yours? 

i also burnt from both an ata66 and ata100 hard drive and it didn't
make a difference. 

What speeds should I expect?

Hi
If you disable burn proof you will see a increase in speed.........the again
at the risk of a coaster....ya takes ya choice.

Steve

"Jimmy Cricket" <x@x.com> wrote in message
news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
> speed...
>
> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
>
> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
> got...
>
> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
>
> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
>
> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
>
> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
> faster (24/8)
>
> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
> thing.
> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
> reported by Nero)
> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
> reported by Nero)
>
> Guess what?
>
> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
>
> Melbourne,
> Australia
>

Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in news:lhna5u8p2mdqan6ph8qam406rp135qouad@
4ax.com:

> what if a got a lemon burner?
> 
> i'm getting paranoid now. arghh!!!
> 
> I don't know what's going on. Every second the light alternates
> between orange and red. Is this normal?
> 
> Also, does the "Recorder Buffer Level / State" (if you have Nero) keep
> going up and down in percentage fast on yours? 

I don't have that particular drive, but I have a 24x drive and the only 
time my buffer did that was when Windows update installed a driver which 
caused my IDE controller to act really... uh... hiccuppy. Before that 
happened and since I fixed it my buffer stays steady at 98%. I also got a 
lot of buffer underruns due to that problem. If your buffer runs near dry 
and the buffer underrun protection kicks in then it will lengthen the burn 
time.
 

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I just did the same upgrade and the LiteOn was a huge improvement over the Sony.

Your system may not be configured correctly.
All test sites, as well as my own testing, puts 700 meg at around 4 min or less.

Took 2:34 to write Nascar4.
Sims Hot Date, a SD2 protected CD, 690meg in size, wrote in 3:45.
(SD2 was primary reason for upgrade, speed was added bonus).

But the best surprise was with media used.
Using CloneCD and 18 month old 12x generic media, was still able to do
a write at 24x, using the original Sims game, (SD1). Less than 4 minutes!
I've heard these drives could burn 16x media at 24x, but using 12x at 24x, WOW!

Jimmy Cricket" <x@x.com> wrote in message
news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
> speed...
>
> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
>
> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
> got...
>
> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
>
> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
>
> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
>
> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
> faster (24/8)
>
> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
> thing.
> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
> reported by Nero)
> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
> reported by Nero)
>
> Guess what?
>
> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
>
> Melbourne,
> Australia
>

Mirai x24x10x40
670 MBs data onto 80minCD = 4.15mins
Chris.


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Enable DMA on your burner.  The reason it's going from red to orange
is because buffer underrun protection is activating.  Hi-speed burners
need to run in DMA mode to burn at full speed.

If you don't know how to activate DMA within your OS, post back which
version of Windoze your running and we can help.

MT

On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:21:52 +1100, Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote:

>>Welcome to the real world.
>>
>>Soon you'll get over the shock of discovering that numbers made up
>>by marketing types cannot begin to accurately describe the CD burning
>>process.  You may wish to read some published reviews of CD-RW drives,
>>where their actual performance in a typical computer system is
>>measured and compared.
>
>what if a got a lemon burner?
>
>i'm getting paranoid now. arghh!!!
>
>I don't know what's going on. Every second the light alternates
>between orange and red. Is this normal?
>
>Also, does the "Recorder Buffer Level / State" (if you have Nero) keep
>going up and down in percentage fast on yours? 
>
>i also burnt from both an ata66 and ata100 hard drive and it didn't
>make a difference. 
>
>What speeds should I expect?

i think its your computer
what are your specs
not much ram??
processor a bit outdated

your getting lots of buffer underuns!!

on my lite-on 24x
i can write 700mb/80 mins
in 4 mins dead

mine :-  celeron 500
256 mb ram
on that buffer stays solid at 99%




"Chris Armitage" <chrisarmitage@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mirai x24x10x40
> 670 MBs data onto 80minCD = 4.15mins
> Chris.
>
>
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>
>

Again, that depends on the media.  I found that Ritek 12X will burn at 24x.
Fuji 16x burn at 16x.  Prodisc 16x burn at 24x, Mitsumi all speed burn at
24x, et al.

Bob

"Rob Fullerton" <robs.tv@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:aNf58.482$yz4.226571@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> I just did the same upgrade and the LiteOn was a huge improvement over the
Sony.
>
> Your system may not be configured correctly.
> All test sites, as well as my own testing, puts 700 meg at around 4 min or
less.
>
> Took 2:34 to write Nascar4.
> Sims Hot Date, a SD2 protected CD, 690meg in size, wrote in 3:45.
> (SD2 was primary reason for upgrade, speed was added bonus).
>
> But the best surprise was with media used.
> Using CloneCD and 18 month old 12x generic media, was still able to do
> a write at 24x, using the original Sims game, (SD1). Less than 4 minutes!
> I've heard these drives could burn 16x media at 24x, but using 12x at 24x,
WOW!
>
> Jimmy Cricket" <x@x.com> wrote in message
> news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
> > I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
> > speed...
> >
> > Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
> > Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
> >
> > Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
> > got...
> >
> > Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
> > Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
> >
> > Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
> >
> > WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
> >
> > Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
> > faster (24/8)
> >
> > Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
> > thing.
> > The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
> > reported by Nero)
> > The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
> > reported by Nero)
> >
> > Guess what?
> >
> > They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
> >
> > Melbourne,
> > Australia
> >
>
>
>

>Enable DMA on your burner.  The reason it's going from red to orange
>is because buffer underrun protection is activating.  Hi-speed burners
>need to run in DMA mode to burn at full speed.
>
>If you don't know how to activate DMA within your OS, post back which
>version of Windoze your running and we can help.

that was it. it was in PIO mode not dma mode. now everythings normal.
ta

SWEEEETTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>Hi
>If you disable burn proof you will see a increase in speed.........the again
>at the risk of a coaster....ya takes ya choice.

nero doesn't allow you to burn at 24x with no burn proof

"Bob M" <bobmitch@texas.net> wrote in
news:%ci58.81370$vH6.4503412@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com: 

> Again, that depends on the media.  I found that Ritek 12X will burn at
> 24x. Fuji 16x burn at 16x.  Prodisc 16x burn at 24x, Mitsumi all speed
> burn at 24x, et al.

I suppose it depends on the writer and the firmware. My Plextor burns Fuji 
(TY) 16x at 24x.

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Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in
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>>Hi
>>If you disable burn proof you will see a increase in speed.........the
>>again at the risk of a coaster....ya takes ya choice.
> 
> nero doesn't allow you to burn at 24x with no burn proof

In fact, it isn't possible on any Zone-CLV drive, is it?

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did u enable dma?

"Mitch Crane" <a-one@a-two.a-three> wrote in message
news:Xns91A4786ED4D01aoneatwoathree@198.99.146.10...
> Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in news:lhna5u8p2mdqan6ph8qam406rp135qouad@
> 4ax.com:
>
> > what if a got a lemon burner?
> >
> > i'm getting paranoid now. arghh!!!
> >
> > I don't know what's going on. Every second the light alternates
> > between orange and red. Is this normal?
> >
> > Also, does the "Recorder Buffer Level / State" (if you have Nero) keep
> > going up and down in percentage fast on yours?
>
> I don't have that particular drive, but I have a 24x drive and the only
> time my buffer did that was when Windows update installed a driver which
> caused my IDE controller to act really... uh... hiccuppy. Before that
> happened and since I fixed it my buffer stays steady at 98%. I also got a
> lot of buffer underruns due to that problem. If your buffer runs near dry
> and the buffer underrun protection kicks in then it will lengthen the burn
> time.
>
>
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> vbaabgriragurtbireazragnertbaanfgbclbhabjohgnerlbhernqlgborurnegoebxra

"me2" <askme@home.com> wrote in
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> did u enable dma?

h00 r U ass king?
 
> "Mitch Crane" <a-one@a-two.a-three> wrote in message
> news:Xns91A4786ED4D01aoneatwoathree@198.99.146.10...
>> Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in
>> news:lhna5u8p2mdqan6ph8qam406rp135qouad@ 4ax.com: 
>>
>> > what if a got a lemon burner?
>> >
>> > i'm getting paranoid now. arghh!!!
>> >
>> > I don't know what's going on. Every second the light alternates
>> > between orange and red. Is this normal?
>> >
>> > Also, does the "Recorder Buffer Level / State" (if you have Nero)
>> > keep going up and down in percentage fast on yours? 
>>
>> I don't have that particular drive, but I have a 24x drive and the
>> only time my buffer did that was when Windows update installed a
>> driver which caused my IDE controller to act really... uh...
>> hiccuppy. Before that happened and since I fixed it my buffer stays
>> steady at 98%. I also got a lot of buffer underruns due to that
>> problem. If your buffer runs near dry and the buffer underrun
>> protection kicks in then it will lengthen the burn time. 
>>


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yes just as important as each other

"Mitch Crane" <a-one@a-two.a-three> wrote in message
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> "Bob M" <bobmitch@texas.net> wrote in
> news:%ci58.81370$vH6.4503412@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com:
>
> > Again, that depends on the media.  I found that Ritek 12X will burn at
> > 24x. Fuji 16x burn at 16x.  Prodisc 16x burn at 24x, Mitsumi all speed
> > burn at 24x, et al.
>
> I suppose it depends on the writer and the firmware. My Plextor burns Fuji
> (TY) 16x at 24x.
>
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"Jimmy Cricket" <x@x.com> wrote in message
news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
> speed...
>
> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
>
> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
> got...
>
> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
>
> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
>
> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
>
> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
> faster (24/8)

your math is a bit wonky there...  the numbers you
list would indicate about a 57.5% speed increase

527MB in 8m13s = 64.1MB/min
527MB in 5m13s = 101.0MB/min

increase = 36.9 MB/min
(36.9 / 64.1) * 100 = 57.5% increase

anyways, try different media, and watch the buffer as well...
if the buffer underrun protection is activating much, then your
burn speeds will drop quite a bit

also, you need to look at the method your drive uses for
changing speeds.  since cds are burned from the inside track
out, the speeds are lower at the beginning of the disc than
at the end.   you should see a better increase (average speed)
if you burn a longer cd (650-700MB)

mark gray wrote:
 
> i think its your computer
> what are your specs
> not much ram??
> processor a bit outdated
 
> your getting lots of buffer underuns!!
 
> on my lite-on 24x
> i can write 700mb/80 mins
> in 4 mins dead

this seems about right.  my 16x does a full CD
in about 5 1/2 to 6 minutes.

another thing to remember is a lot of burners now
will not go past 8x if your blank is not good to
go.  if i set my burner to go at 16x with an 8x
blank, it seems to burn at about 8.5-9x speed.
but in my case the buffer stays full.

So, y'all remember to check your blanks and also
check the DMA settings on your IDE, particularly
if you're running win2k and your burner is not
on the primary controller, because win2k will set
that to PIO only by default.

Pt

Bob M wrote:
 
> Again, that depends on the media.  I found that Ritek 12X will burn at 24x.
> Fuji 16x burn at 16x.  Prodisc 16x burn at 24x, Mitsumi all speed burn at
> 24x, et al.

YMMV, but in my experience there seems to be a "line" between media
rated 8x or below and media rated above 8x.  In the recorders I've
used, media rated 8x or below will not burn at higher speeds, and
media rated above 8x will generally burn at any speed your system
can support.  I've seen a similar limitation on CD-RW with the line
being at 2x.  This could just be my burner though.  It's not the
software because I use three diffferent packages.

Pt

lacunae wrote:

> also, you need to look at the method your drive uses for
> changing speeds.  since cds are burned from the inside track
> out, the speeds are lower at the beginning of the disc than
> at the end.   you should see a better increase (average speed)
> if you burn a longer cd (650-700MB)

that's just wrong.  the 'speed' (RPM) changes to maintain
constant linear velocity, which translates to constant
bitrate.  a 24x drive is going to rotate at 24 times the
speed (approx) of a 1x drive both at the inside and
the outside of the spiral, always maintaining enough
linear velocity to keep up with (24x150kb/sec).

The reason that you get better bitrates on longer burns
is that the set-up time at the beginning of the burn is
less of a percentage of the entire burn.  This setup time
is not proportional to your speed multiplier.  If you start
counting seconds from the point that the actual track
writing begins it should be the same, excluding rounding
errors.  Also there is the session closing time at the
end to consider, which is not exactly proportional to
speed either.

Pt

"Patrick I Taylor" <pataylor@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in message
news:3C5ACDDB.1A20AB3@nortelnetworks.com...
> > Again, that depends on the media.  I found that Ritek 12X will burn at
24x.
> > Fuji 16x burn at 16x.  Prodisc 16x burn at 24x, Mitsumi all speed burn
at
> > 24x, et al.
> YMMV, but in my experience there seems to be a "line" between media
> rated 8x or below and media rated above 8x.  In the recorders I've
> used, media rated 8x or below will not burn at higher speeds, and
> media rated above 8x will generally burn at any speed your system
> can support.  I've seen a similar limitation on CD-RW with the line
> being at 2x.  This could just be my burner though.  It's not the
> software because I use three diffferent packages.

Definitely your burner, not all can do it. I have a Plextor 24X and I can
burn 8x media at 24X with no problems. I can also burn 10X-rated CD-RW media
at 24X using CD-R format (and can still erase the disc after).

"Patrick I Taylor" <pataylor@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in message
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> Bob M wrote:
>
> > Again, that depends on the media.  I found that Ritek 12X will burn at
24x.
> > Fuji 16x burn at 16x.  Prodisc 16x burn at 24x, Mitsumi all speed burn
at
> > 24x, et al.
>
> YMMV, but in my experience there seems to be a "line" between media
> rated 8x or below and media rated above 8x.  In the recorders I've
> used, media rated 8x or below will not burn at higher speeds, and
> media rated above 8x will generally burn at any speed your system
> can support.  I've seen a similar limitation on CD-RW with the line
> being at 2x.  This could just be my burner though.  It's not the
> software because I use three diffferent packages.
>
> Pt

Don't like your chances of burning 1-4 rated CDRW at anything higher than 4
speed.

Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote:

>that was it. it was in PIO mode not dma mode. now everythings normal.

What's PIO mode?  

The BIOS on my Gateway system says something like:  "FPIO 4 / DMA 2".  I'm
having problems burning audio CDs, so I'm looking for anything that may be a
problem!

=======================================================
Dave Morgenlender
e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
=======================================================

On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:12:14 -0500, David Morgenlender
<dmorgen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>What's PIO mode?  

PIO mode doesn't utilize DMA.  Everything goes through the CPU.  DMA
is essential for most hi-speed burners on most systems.  You enable it
through device manager.  9x systems have a tickbox under the device,
and NT-based systems have it under the IDE controllers.

MT

Kroagnon wrote:

> Definitely your burner, not all can do it. I have a Plextor 24X and I can
> burn 8x media at 24X with no problems. I can also burn 10X-rated CD-RW media
> at 24X using CD-R format (and can still erase the disc after).

Actually I can do that also.  But I can't burn 4x RW media in packet mode
any faster than 4x.

Pt

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:16:51 GMT, "Ray" <e@m.com> wrote:

>I just bought one of those faster (24x10x40x) cendynes from office max and
>have not been able to get it to work as advertised yet!  Out of about 13
>tries, 8 were coasters, 4 were successful and only 1 was at 24x (which
>burned no faster than a 16x--yes, I

DON'T USE THE CHEAP MEDIA.
May a suggest you get the Verbatim or Mitsubishi media that uses the
new AZO for accurate writing.

I had the same problems, failed burns just about all the time.
I moved to Mitsubishi 24x with AZO and no failed burns.

Have you downloaded the patch from the Nero site so you can burn at
24x?

www.nero.com

If it doesn't have a brand name at the front in maybe a panasonic.
I've seen a few oem panasonics and they don't show the brand name on
the front.

>have 24x cd's).  But, it may be my configuration.  I am on the bbs from
>cendyne on how to get my computer to recognize it as a lite-on or teac or
>whatever, but first the tech has to know what it is.  After supplying him
>with the model and serial that are stamped on the drive itself and another
>barcoded number on the box, he still doesn't know the manufactor of the
>thing!!
>  If anyone out there is in the know of these knod of things, I would be
>real grateful far any assistance rendered in my direction.
>
>Here are some of the specs:
>on the drive:  model no. 2410A-051    serial no. 99B771205120344303PWP000
>on the pakage box  Part # CDICD00091  (I believe this is cendynes number for
>the 24x10x40).  There is an EAN9557858309997 barcoded number also on
>thedrive.
>
>  I have a HP Pavillion 6540C  celeron 466MHz  256M RAM  Western Digital
>7200 rpm Ultra ATA/66/100 30 Gig HD and am running W98SE OS.
>
>  My system confiuration has the DMA checked and the disconnect checked (I
>don't know if that one is needed to be checked--but it was already checked).
>Synce data trans and auto insert notification are not checked.  The DMA of
>my HD is also checked.
>
>  My device manager calls it a generis cd-rom (not cd-rw)  but the softwares
>apps I am using (nero that came with it and ECDC) refer to it as an atapi
>24x10.
>
>All the reviews I read are positive, so I'm thinking my systems not setup
>right for this or I have a bum one.
>
>Sorry for the long response, but I'm a bit frazzeled over this.
>
>thanks!
>
>Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in message
>news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
>> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
>> speed...
>>
>> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
>> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
>>
>> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
>> got...
>>
>> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
>> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
>>
>> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
>>
>> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
>>
>> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
>> faster (24/8)
>>
>> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
>> thing.
>> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
>> reported by Nero)
>> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
>> reported by Nero)
>>
>> Guess what?
>>
>> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
>>
>> Melbourne,
>> Australia
>>
>
>

you have to learn how to use it.
there arwe alot of varibles.
i had no problem at all out of about 30 i got one coaster   and was my
own fault.

On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:24:17 GMT, Jes@nospam.com (Jes) wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:16:51 GMT, "Ray" <e@m.com> wrote:
>
>>I just bought one of those faster (24x10x40x) cendynes from office max and
>>have not been able to get it to work as advertised yet!  Out of about 13
>>tries, 8 were coasters, 4 were successful and only 1 was at 24x (which
>>burned no faster than a 16x--yes, I
>
>DON'T USE THE CHEAP MEDIA.
>May a suggest you get the Verbatim or Mitsubishi media that uses the
>new AZO for accurate writing.
>
>I had the same problems, failed burns just about all the time.
>I moved to Mitsubishi 24x with AZO and no failed burns.
>
>Have you downloaded the patch from the Nero site so you can burn at
>24x?
>
>www.nero.com
>
>If it doesn't have a brand name at the front in maybe a panasonic.
>I've seen a few oem panasonics and they don't show the brand name on
>the front.
>
>>have 24x cd's).  But, it may be my configuration.  I am on the bbs from
>>cendyne on how to get my computer to recognize it as a lite-on or teac or
>>whatever, but first the tech has to know what it is.  After supplying him
>>with the model and serial that are stamped on the drive itself and another
>>barcoded number on the box, he still doesn't know the manufactor of the
>>thing!!
>>  If anyone out there is in the know of these knod of things, I would be
>>real grateful far any assistance rendered in my direction.
>>
>>Here are some of the specs:
>>on the drive:  model no. 2410A-051    serial no. 99B771205120344303PWP000
>>on the pakage box  Part # CDICD00091  (I believe this is cendynes number for
>>the 24x10x40).  There is an EAN9557858309997 barcoded number also on
>>thedrive.
>>
>>  I have a HP Pavillion 6540C  celeron 466MHz  256M RAM  Western Digital
>>7200 rpm Ultra ATA/66/100 30 Gig HD and am running W98SE OS.
>>
>>  My system confiuration has the DMA checked and the disconnect checked (I
>>don't know if that one is needed to be checked--but it was already checked).
>>Synce data trans and auto insert notification are not checked.  The DMA of
>>my HD is also checked.
>>
>>  My device manager calls it a generis cd-rom (not cd-rw)  but the softwares
>>apps I am using (nero that came with it and ECDC) refer to it as an atapi
>>24x10.
>>
>>All the reviews I read are positive, so I'm thinking my systems not setup
>>right for this or I have a bum one.
>>
>>Sorry for the long response, but I'm a bit frazzeled over this.
>>
>>thanks!
>>
>>Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in message
>>news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
>>> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
>>> speed...
>>>
>>> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
>>> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
>>>
>>> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
>>> got...
>>>
>>> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
>>> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
>>>
>>> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
>>>
>>> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
>>>
>>> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
>>> faster (24/8)
>>>
>>> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
>>> thing.
>>> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
>>> reported by Nero)
>>> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
>>> reported by Nero)
>>>
>>> Guess what?
>>>
>>> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
>>>
>>> Melbourne,
>>> Australia
>>>
>>
>>

On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:34:38 GMT, fault <its your@own.com> wrote:

>
>you have to learn how to use it.
>there arwe alot of varibles.
>i had no problem at all out of about 30 i got one coaster   and was my
>own fault.

Cheap media has a hard problem holding the data once it's burnt.
You get what you pay for.

I have no failed burns and more importantly I don't lose the data
unlike the cheap crapy media. My mates have found the same thing, they
now use either the verbatim or mitsubishi with AZO.

Use cheap media at your own risk.

>
>On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:24:17 GMT, Jes@nospam.com (Jes) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:16:51 GMT, "Ray" <e@m.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I just bought one of those faster (24x10x40x) cendynes from office max and
>>>have not been able to get it to work as advertised yet!  Out of about 13
>>>tries, 8 were coasters, 4 were successful and only 1 was at 24x (which
>>>burned no faster than a 16x--yes, I
>>
>>DON'T USE THE CHEAP MEDIA.
>>May a suggest you get the Verbatim or Mitsubishi media that uses the
>>new AZO for accurate writing.
>>
>>I had the same problems, failed burns just about all the time.
>>I moved to Mitsubishi 24x with AZO and no failed burns.
>>
>>Have you downloaded the patch from the Nero site so you can burn at
>>24x?
>>
>>www.nero.com
>>
>>If it doesn't have a brand name at the front in maybe a panasonic.
>>I've seen a few oem panasonics and they don't show the brand name on
>>the front.
>>
>>>have 24x cd's).  But, it may be my configuration.  I am on the bbs from
>>>cendyne on how to get my computer to recognize it as a lite-on or teac or
>>>whatever, but first the tech has to know what it is.  After supplying him
>>>with the model and serial that are stamped on the drive itself and another
>>>barcoded number on the box, he still doesn't know the manufactor of the
>>>thing!!
>>>  If anyone out there is in the know of these knod of things, I would be
>>>real grateful far any assistance rendered in my direction.
>>>
>>>Here are some of the specs:
>>>on the drive:  model no. 2410A-051    serial no. 99B771205120344303PWP000
>>>on the pakage box  Part # CDICD00091  (I believe this is cendynes number for
>>>the 24x10x40).  There is an EAN9557858309997 barcoded number also on
>>>thedrive.
>>>
>>>  I have a HP Pavillion 6540C  celeron 466MHz  256M RAM  Western Digital
>>>7200 rpm Ultra ATA/66/100 30 Gig HD and am running W98SE OS.
>>>
>>>  My system confiuration has the DMA checked and the disconnect checked (I
>>>don't know if that one is needed to be checked--but it was already checked).
>>>Synce data trans and auto insert notification are not checked.  The DMA of
>>>my HD is also checked.
>>>
>>>  My device manager calls it a generis cd-rom (not cd-rw)  but the softwares
>>>apps I am using (nero that came with it and ECDC) refer to it as an atapi
>>>24x10.
>>>
>>>All the reviews I read are positive, so I'm thinking my systems not setup
>>>right for this or I have a bum one.
>>>
>>>Sorry for the long response, but I'm a bit frazzeled over this.
>>>
>>>thanks!
>>>
>>>Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in message
>>>news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
>>>> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
>>>> speed...
>>>>
>>>> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
>>>> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
>>>>
>>>> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
>>>> got...
>>>>
>>>> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
>>>> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
>>>>
>>>> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
>>>>
>>>> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
>>>>
>>>> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
>>>> faster (24/8)
>>>>
>>>> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
>>>> thing.
>>>> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
>>>> reported by Nero)
>>>> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
>>>> reported by Nero)
>>>>
>>>> Guess what?
>>>>
>>>> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
>>>>
>>>> Melbourne,
>>>> Australia
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>

... you c an't say don't youse cheap discs. Expensive can be less good.

I'm using cheap silver circle discs (0,349 ? per disc), labled for 24x and
even my car mp3 player which is very sesnibles likes them more than kodak or
acer discs.

It's just one thing - you got a good run from the manufacturer or a bad. The
worst discs I ever got where labled "xelo". Also some very cheap one ;)

bye

Markus


"Jes" <Jes@nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3c823ef2.3583558@news.bigpond.com...
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:16:51 GMT, "Ray" <e@m.com> wrote:
>
> >I just bought one of those faster (24x10x40x) cendynes from office max
and
> >have not been able to get it to work as advertised yet!  Out of about 13
> >tries, 8 were coasters, 4 were successful and only 1 was at 24x (which
> >burned no faster than a 16x--yes, I
>
> DON'T USE THE CHEAP MEDIA.
> May a suggest you get the Verbatim or Mitsubishi media that uses the
> new AZO for accurate writing.
>
> I had the same problems, failed burns just about all the time.
> I moved to Mitsubishi 24x with AZO and no failed burns.
>
> Have you downloaded the patch from the Nero site so you can burn at
> 24x?
>
> www.nero.com
>
> If it doesn't have a brand name at the front in maybe a panasonic.
> I've seen a few oem panasonics and they don't show the brand name on
> the front.
>
> >have 24x cd's).  But, it may be my configuration.  I am on the bbs from
> >cendyne on how to get my computer to recognize it as a lite-on or teac or
> >whatever, but first the tech has to know what it is.  After supplying him
> >with the model and serial that are stamped on the drive itself and
another
> >barcoded number on the box, he still doesn't know the manufactor of the
> >thing!!
> >  If anyone out there is in the know of these knod of things, I would be
> >real grateful far any assistance rendered in my direction.
> >
> >Here are some of the specs:
> >on the drive:  model no. 2410A-051    serial no. 99B771205120344303PWP000
> >on the pakage box  Part # CDICD00091  (I believe this is cendynes number
for
> >the 24x10x40).  There is an EAN9557858309997 barcoded number also on
> >thedrive.
> >
> >  I have a HP Pavillion 6540C  celeron 466MHz  256M RAM  Western Digital
> >7200 rpm Ultra ATA/66/100 30 Gig HD and am running W98SE OS.
> >
> >  My system confiuration has the DMA checked and the disconnect checked
(I
> >don't know if that one is needed to be checked--but it was already
checked).
> >Synce data trans and auto insert notification are not checked.  The DMA
of
> >my HD is also checked.
> >
> >  My device manager calls it a generis cd-rom (not cd-rw)  but the
softwares
> >apps I am using (nero that came with it and ECDC) refer to it as an atapi
> >24x10.
> >
> >All the reviews I read are positive, so I'm thinking my systems not setup
> >right for this or I have a bum one.
> >
> >Sorry for the long response, but I'm a bit frazzeled over this.
> >
> >thanks!
> >
> >Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in message
> >news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
> >> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
> >> speed...
> >>
> >> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
> >> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
> >>
> >> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
> >> got...
> >>
> >> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
> >> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
> >>
> >> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
> >>
> >> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
> >>
> >> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
> >> faster (24/8)
> >>
> >> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
> >> thing.
> >> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
> >> reported by Nero)
> >> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
> >> reported by Nero)
> >>
> >> Guess what?
> >>
> >> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
> >>
> >> Melbourne,
> >> Australia
> >>
> >
> >
>

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:33:48 +0100, "Markus Enskonatus"
<me@techblaster.de> wrote:

>... you c an't say don't youse cheap discs. Expensive can be less good.

You get what you pay for.
Cheap media has caused nothing but grief.
Buy the good stuff with azo and you'll be a lot happier.

Some expensive media isn't that good either.

Before azo came along I only got the dark blue media.
Most everything else was a waste of time. Some burn ok but don't hold
the info on the disk to well. Perfect examples of this was when I had
pics of the family backed up onto cd's and when I went to restore them
the pics were only a third ok and the rest of the image and this
black/purple colours distorting the image.

Now I know what to get and no problems.

Buy the cheap stuff at your own peril.

>
>I'm using cheap silver circle discs (0,349 ? per disc), labled for 24x and
>even my car mp3 player which is very sesnibles likes them more than kodak or
>acer discs.

Have a look at the data later this year and see if it's still there.
I'll not waste my money on the cheap stuff again.

kodak isn't making cd media any more.

>
>It's just one thing - you got a good run from the manufacturer or a bad. The
>worst discs I ever got where labled "xelo". Also some very cheap one ;)
>
>bye
>
>Markus
>
>
>"Jes" <Jes@nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:3c823ef2.3583558@news.bigpond.com...
>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:16:51 GMT, "Ray" <e@m.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I just bought one of those faster (24x10x40x) cendynes from office max
>and
>> >have not been able to get it to work as advertised yet!  Out of about 13
>> >tries, 8 were coasters, 4 were successful and only 1 was at 24x (which
>> >burned no faster than a 16x--yes, I
>>
>> DON'T USE THE CHEAP MEDIA.
>> May a suggest you get the Verbatim or Mitsubishi media that uses the
>> new AZO for accurate writing.
>>
>> I had the same problems, failed burns just about all the time.
>> I moved to Mitsubishi 24x with AZO and no failed burns.
>>
>> Have you downloaded the patch from the Nero site so you can burn at
>> 24x?
>>
>> www.nero.com
>>
>> If it doesn't have a brand name at the front in maybe a panasonic.
>> I've seen a few oem panasonics and they don't show the brand name on
>> the front.
>>
>> >have 24x cd's).  But, it may be my configuration.  I am on the bbs from
>> >cendyne on how to get my computer to recognize it as a lite-on or teac or
>> >whatever, but first the tech has to know what it is.  After supplying him
>> >with the model and serial that are stamped on the drive itself and
>another
>> >barcoded number on the box, he still doesn't know the manufactor of the
>> >thing!!
>> >  If anyone out there is in the know of these knod of things, I would be
>> >real grateful far any assistance rendered in my direction.
>> >
>> >Here are some of the specs:
>> >on the drive:  model no. 2410A-051    serial no. 99B771205120344303PWP000
>> >on the pakage box  Part # CDICD00091  (I believe this is cendynes number
>for
>> >the 24x10x40).  There is an EAN9557858309997 barcoded number also on
>> >thedrive.
>> >
>> >  I have a HP Pavillion 6540C  celeron 466MHz  256M RAM  Western Digital
>> >7200 rpm Ultra ATA/66/100 30 Gig HD and am running W98SE OS.
>> >
>> >  My system confiuration has the DMA checked and the disconnect checked
>(I
>> >don't know if that one is needed to be checked--but it was already
>checked).
>> >Synce data trans and auto insert notification are not checked.  The DMA
>of
>> >my HD is also checked.
>> >
>> >  My device manager calls it a generis cd-rom (not cd-rw)  but the
>softwares
>> >apps I am using (nero that came with it and ECDC) refer to it as an atapi
>> >24x10.
>> >
>> >All the reviews I read are positive, so I'm thinking my systems not setup
>> >right for this or I have a bum one.
>> >
>> >Sorry for the long response, but I'm a bit frazzeled over this.
>> >
>> >thanks!
>> >
>> >Jimmy Cricket <x@x.com> wrote in message
>> >news:gvha5u8mf1cl5aj1io36be5dshijs18sqa@4ax.com...
>> >> I'm a bit disappointed; I expected at least an increase of twice the
>> >> speed...
>> >>
>> >> Previous burner: Sony 8x4x32x
>> >> Replacement: Lite-on 24x10x40x
>> >>
>> >> Burning data, I tested the speed, and the following is the results I
>> >> got...
>> >>
>> >> Sony: 527MB in 8 min 13
>> >> Lite-on: 527 MB in 5min13
>> >>
>> >> Wow! A speed increase of a whole 36%
>> >>
>> >> WHOPPY DO-DA!!! :)
>> >>
>> >> Can't even manage to be twice as fast! Yet they claim three times
>> >> faster (24/8)
>> >>
>> >> Also, another thing, with the Lite-on I burnt 2 copies of the same
>> >> thing.
>> >> The first was on a Mitsui Gold CDR @ 16x (max speed allowed - as
>> >> reported by Nero)
>> >> The second was on the new GAT CDR @ 24x (max speed allowed - as
>> >> reported by Nero)
>> >>
>> >> Guess what?
>> >>
>> >> They both literally took the exact same time to finish!
>> >>
>> >> Melbourne,
>> >> Australia
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>