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driver issue

it took me a while to get a decent 3dmark under win2k

after a fresh win2k install with SP1 i got a lousy 3500 (instead of 5300
under win98) the high polygon tests even went from 10000 (1light) to 1000

i then installed
via 4in1 4.26
via agp fix on amd page
via large page reg file
pre SP2 hotfix for via chipset from MS
Nvidia 7.16 drivers
DX8

I've tried 6.47,6.49,6.50,7.17 and 7.16, 7.16 are the most stabel for me

I now have 5250 under win2K

Your King

Asus A7V 1.02 1005A bios
Duron 700@927
Geforce2 MX
128 cas3 PC133
"Cobra" <cobra@2fords.nekt> schreef in bericht
news:EGR46.227$ie3.115791@nnrp2.sbc.net...
>
> wbpo <wbpo@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:4EAR5.9333$Ds.76398@news4.atl...
> > I have the following systems:
> >
> > MSI 694D Pro-A Dual PIII 900
> > 256 MB RAM
> > Creative Annihilator Pro
> > W2K
> >
> > K7V w/ Athlon 1 Gig
> > 256 MB RAM
> > Creative Annihilator 2 Ultra
> > W2K
> >
> > KA7 w/ Athlon Socket A 800
> > 256 MB RAM
> > ATI All-In-One Radeon
> > W98
> >
> > With the Anni Pro in the 98 box.  I was getting 3DMark2000 scors around
> 5k.
> > With the ATI, it drops down in the low 4s.  No surprises there.
However,
> > when I move to the configs above, the W98 box smokes the other two
 even
> w/
> > a lowly 4k score)  The dual PIII unit gets 2k and the Athlon gets 2k.
> >
> > Why is this.  I downloaded what MadOnion has listed as their W2K
> compatible
> > version.
> >
> > Do I need to go back to W98 and forget a dual processor system.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > wbpo
> >
> > "Kenny Boles" <kmboles@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:E0gR5.2004$xd3.160422@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > First of all 1.2 GHz is faster than 1 GHz. Unless you made a
> typographical
> > > error. Second, I think that even then it's a pretty small increase,
> let's
> > be
> > > realistic, all we are seeing from Intel is "the same old Ford" but
> faster,
> > > until the Pentium 4 released officially and is accepted. (Shouldn't
they
> > > just come up with a new name?)
> > > And second of all, yes, the Duron is *a lot* better than the Celeron.
> > > However, I personally don't like having the "value" chips. I'd rather
> pay
> > a
> > > bit more for more performance.
> > > The bottom line, AMD and Intel make very good chips. The only PC CPU I
> > > wouldn't even pretend to consider is a Cyrix. (This'll start a flame
> war).
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mike Kay" <mpk@sanger.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0011171112120.28913-100000@fes11.sanger.ac.uk...
> > > >
> > > > what u said was was true in the past, nbut (from all accounts) not
any
> > > > more.
> > > > The duron beats the celeron hands down in every test, & the
> Tbird1.2GHZ
> > > > beats the PIII 1GHZ also.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Kenny Boles wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think anyone would be happy with either chip. AMD is cheaper,
and
> > > Intel
> > > > > is, bluntly, better, a proven fact. But that doesn't really
matter,
> > they
> > > > > both get the job done, and the difference is *usually* negligible.
> > > > > The computer hardware zealotry needs to stop. Do you people
realize,
> > > that
> > > > > you "pledge your allegiance" to a slab of silicon? This shows than
> > > humanity
> > > > > is still tribal and easily lead. You people divide yourselves
> between
> > > AMD
> > > > > vs. Intel, ATI vs. Nvidia, and even PC vs. Mac, perhaps, you
should
> > just
> > > > > realize that you would *probably* be pleased either way.
> > > > > So I do not sound biased towards Intel, I'm running on an AMD K7
> > > Thunderbird
> > > > > (800 MHz).
> > > > >
> > > > > "Larry Yuan" <LYuan@Home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:xuZP5.4917$pD5.91420@quark.idirect.com...
> > > > > > Okay, hold up a sec.  Although I do agree that an Athlon system
> can
> > be
> > > > > more
> > > > > > stable than a dual Intel setup,  you have to realize that the
> > > operations
> > > > > of
> > > > > > a computer are not 100% based on the CPU itself.  You don't need
> to
> > be
> > > a
> > > > > > rocket scientist, or have god-like experiences to realize that
so
> > many
> > > > > other
> > > > > > components come into play.  For example, if I go from my Dual
P800
> > to
> > > a
> > > > > > T-Bird 1GHz buy only switching the processor and the
motherboard,
> > > there
> > > > > > might be a chance that the new system sucks...why?  Maybe
because
> > the
> > > > > > motherboard doesn't like the brand of PC-133 Memory I have in
> there.
> > > > > Maybe,
> > > > > > because of the fact that the Athlon proc. uses more voltage than
> the
> > > > > Intel,
> > > > > > my PSU (power supply) couldn't take the change, or can't
> distribute
> > > enough
> > > > > > power because of my 4 U2W SCSI HDDs.  As you can see, there's a
> > > million
> > > > > > permutations and combinations that can cause any system to be
> > > unstable.
> > > > > And
> > > > > > that's not even taking into account the operating system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now everyone knows, they even though people tend to use Win9x/NT
> > based
> > > > > OS's,
> > > > > > they are not exactly the most efficient in terms of robustness
and
> > > > > > stability.  If you guys REALLY want stability, go pay $20,000
for
> a
> > > > > > UltraSparc or something....but wait...you can't play games!
> > > Uh-oh...so
> > > > > > we're back to Windows again.  At work, I run Win2k Advanced
server
> > > with 8
> > > > > > procs, and 4GB of ECC memory.  It runs stable.  Up time,
> currently,
> > is
> > > the
> > > > > > time between when we upgraded to SP1 until now, and it's still
> rock
> > > solid.
> > > > > > I'm sure an Athlon can do that, but the fact is, it's not going
to
> > get
> > > the
> > > > > > job done in that type of environment.  CHOOSE YOUR HARDWARE
BASED
> ON
> > > WHAT
> > > > > > YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT, NOT BASED ON HOW MANY SOCKETS YOU CAN
> FILL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You wanna talk games?  Okay...Let's talk games.  Okay, so Linux
is
> > > more or
> > > > > > less out of the picture.  I play some Quake3, NHL 2001, Rogue
> Spear,
> > > > > > Half-Life, Baldur's Gate.  All the games work in Win2k
> Professional
> > > SP1 on
> > > > > > my Dual 800MHz.  They work on my Athlon too.  They work on my
> > PIII450
> > > w/
> > > > > > WinME installed as well.  I get better frame rates with my
PIII450
> > w/
> > > GTS2
> > > > > > and WinMe.  If I had to choose an OS, I would still pick Win2k
Pro
> > > because
> > > > > > it's more stable.  I can still play the games, and honestly,
it's
> > not
> > > that
> > > > > > much of a difference.  If you NEED more frames per second, go
use
> > > Win9x,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > don't rave like a lunatic if your machine locks up once in
awhile.
> > > > > Today's
> > > > > > games are VERY system resource intensive, and they do push most
> > > household
> > > > > > systems to their limits.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone has different values when it comes to computing.  Some
> > value
> > > > > > graphics while others, they thing stability is more important.
> > Still
> > > > > others
> > > > > > want speed.  Do your research, ask the questions, and stop
arguing
> > > about
> > > > > > what processor is more stable, because nobody really knows which
> one
> > > is
> > > > > more
> > > > > > stable. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Larry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "RMS" <rsavoie1@Kiss.my.grits.spammer.home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:73ZP5.38175$4U6.1894931@news1.rdc2.on.home.com...
> > > > > > > Well if it ain't the village _ _ _ _ _
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me appologize for that right now, I just couldn't resist
:)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now, to be slightly more serious (Not really, just my
opinions).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, I'm just a regular smoe with a regular job. I don't have a
> > super
> > > > > grab
> > > > > > > bag of experience, I just know when smoke is being blown up my
> > arse.
> > > I
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > tell you right now, that any Athlon chip is more stable than a
> > dual
> > > > > Intel
> > > > > > > machine. The reason you hear of a few people with Athlon
> problems
> > is
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > we build, customize, and repair our own systems. The majority
of
> > the
> > > > > > Wintel
> > > > > > > group get their machines from Uncle Dell. He tell's you
exactely
> > > what
> > > > > > parts
> > > > > > > to put in so their won't be trouble.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Windows is based on the X86 architecture. AMD and Intel both
use
> > the
> > > X86
> > > > > > > architecture. I'd explain the history for you, but that would
> take
> > > too
> > > > > > long.
> > > > > > > It looks like you are trying to say RISC instructions are a
bad
> > > idea????
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > this is true I won't dignify that with a comment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See below for the responses to your tirade.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "COMPUTER VILLAGE" <INFO@COMPUTER-VILLAGE.COM> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > news:3A101FC5.18C8BA54@COMPUTER-VILLAGE.COM...
> > > > > > > > Hey Rick...I dont doubt that your expertise is somewhere out
> > > there,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > R
> > > > > > > u
> > > > > > > > gonna tell us that the POC that the Athlon chip offers is
more
> > > stable
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > solid Dual 600EB u gotta be smokin some good ass shi*
> ...anyways
> > > next
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > YES
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > limit your responses to your Athlon partners...by the way I
> > could
> > > take
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > Dual
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just replying too the existing header.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Athlon if it exists and smoke it with any PIII chip even
lower
> > in
> > > > > > > > MHz...(remember that Windows is based on the Pentium
> > architecture
> > > not
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > AMD
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hahahahahahahahahahahaha..... Ha!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -and the RISC instructions, one that by the way was not even
> in
> > > > > anyone's
> > > > > > > head
> > > > > > > > at the time that P and W were making money out of us...
;-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you want to know what RISC is, visit Alpha processors, and
> see
> > > what
> > > > > > speed
> > > > > > > is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Take that AMD kiddo
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ouch!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > RMS wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Since I think you are totally
wrong
> > > about
> > > > > > > virtually
> > > > > > > > > everything, I'll let everybody know how it really works
> > > (IMNSHO).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have 3 systems, Athlon 800Mhz, PIII 550Mhz, and a K6-2
> > 400Mhz
> > > > > > (Enough
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > that.). I have been actually working in computer
> > > maintenance/network
> > > > > > > admin
> > > > > > > > > at a site that has 1200 clients for several years now (No
> > MSCE,
> > > > > ABCD,
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > anything else like that.).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Facts:
> > > > > > > > > 1) Dual processor systems are for systems that run
multiple
> > > > > > applications
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > the same time, anything else is a waste of CPU processing
> > power.
> > > > > (The
> > > > > > > > > exception of course is high end servers with OS's that
have
> > real
> > > > > > > symetrical
> > > > > > > > > processing, at the kernel level, like Solaris or IBM AIX.
> > > > > > > > > 2) Win NT is a joke of an OS compared to any Unix OS (Just
> ask
> > a
> > > > > real
> > > > > > > > > administrator.) unless your main goal is to have
everything
> > > > > automated
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > "who cares about performance".
> > > > > > > > > 3) Win NT is a joke of an OS compared to Win 98 for
playing
> > > games
> > > > > > (This
> > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > > be changing with Directx 8.0).
> > > > > > > > > 4) Hayes modem - Not,
> > > > > > > > >  Netgear NIC - Not,
> > > > > > > > >  Intel PIII CPU - Not,
> > > > > > > > >  Creative DVD - Not !
> > > > > > > > > 5) USR modem - Yes,
> > > > > > > > >  3Com NIC - Yes,
> > > > > > > > >  AMD Athlon CPU, - Yes
> > > > > > > > >  Pioneer DVD - Yes !
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Maybe if you had purchased the right hardware instead of
> > taking
> > > what
> > > > > > > came in
> > > > > > > > > the pre-assembled "box", you would have been able to run
> > Win98.
> > > > > Maybe
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > hadn't wasted your cash on the 2 Intel PIII 550's, you
could
> > > have
> > > > > had
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > totally stable Athlon 900Mhz for the same price. I
> understand
> > > that
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > wasted your bucks on that SMP because you wanted to be the
> > > coolest
> > > > > guy
> > > > > > > > > around, and now you have to use NT so it won't appear that
> > your
> > > > > > wasting
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > SMP money, but just live with it. Just out of curiostity,
> how
> > > long
> > > > > did
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > have the dual PIII system before you were told by a friend
> > that
> > > > > Win98
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > not do SMP?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Last note: If the best you can achieve is "crash less",
you
> > > > > slouldn't
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > throwing your opinions around.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So long to another Wintel clone, Rick
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Mark Borton" <MarkBorton@DEEPSPACENINE.COM> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > news:974120262.409.0.nnrp-02.c1ed3851@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > > > > > > > > I have 4 systems
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a Dual PIII500 thats NEEDS win2000 to utilize its SMP
> > > > > > > capabilities...and
> > > > > > > > > > this machine outshines my mates PIII800 at all but the
> > really
> > > high
> > > > > > end
> > > > > > > 3d
> > > > > > > > > > benchmarks where it equals them (Both off us have
Geforce
> 2
> > > > > ultras,
> > > > > > > both
> > > > > > > > > > using Detonator 3 drivers, mine win2k his win98SE)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A PII350, and 2 P200MMX machines
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > All the systems run faster, boot faster, crash less and
> are
> > > > > > generally
> > > > > > > > > nicer
> > > > > > > > > > to work with now than undier 95/98....I have had no
> > problems,
> > > no
> > > > > > blue
> > > > > > > > > > screens , and havent turned 1 system off since they were
> > > installed
> > > > > > (my
> > > > > > > > > > running time is now approching 3 months i
think...possibly
> > > > > > > longer...can`t
> > > > > > > > > > remember when i bought 2k)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As a long time user of winxx right back to V3, and as
both
> > an
> > > NT4
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > win2k
> > > > > > > > > > MCSE i can say that Win2k is the platform of choice for
> > games
> > > and
> > > > > > > serious
> > > > > > > > > > work....i wish "High" street computer sellers would
relise
> > the
> > > > > > > potentiol
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > SMP systems, you can get a cheaper system of comparable
> > > performnce
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > > > SMP than you can buy a Ghz system that does the same
> thing..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Win2k , if your not buying shoddy clone OEM hardware is
> the
> > > best
> > > > > OS
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > gaming...Get yourself an Nvida Graphics card, Creative
> labs
> > > sound
> > > > > > card
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > DVD decoder, a Hayes V90 "HARDWARE" modem, a couple of
> TRUE
> > > INTEL
> > > > > > > > > Processors
> > > > > > > > > > , a Gigabyte Dual Processor Board and a Netgear network
> > > adapter if
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > networking (the TX310 is good) and youll never look back
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > test
>
>