🚀 go-pugleaf

what u said was was true in the past, nbut (from all accounts) not any
more.
The duron beats the celeron hands down in every test, & the Tbird1.2GHZ
beats the PIII 1GHZ also.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Kenny Boles wrote:

> I think anyone would be happy with either chip. AMD is cheaper, and Intel
> is, bluntly, better, a proven fact. But that doesn't really matter, they
> both get the job done, and the difference is *usually* negligible.
> The computer hardware zealotry needs to stop. Do you people realize, that
> you "pledge your allegiance" to a slab of silicon? This shows than humanity
> is still tribal and easily lead. You people divide yourselves between AMD
> vs. Intel, ATI vs. Nvidia, and even PC vs. Mac, perhaps, you should just
> realize that you would *probably* be pleased either way.
> So I do not sound biased towards Intel, I'm running on an AMD K7 Thunderbird
> (800 MHz).
> 
> "Larry Yuan" <LYuan@Home.com> wrote in message
> news:xuZP5.4917$pD5.91420@quark.idirect.com...
> > Okay, hold up a sec.  Although I do agree that an Athlon system can be
> more
> > stable than a dual Intel setup,  you have to realize that the operations
> of
> > a computer are not 100% based on the CPU itself.  You don't need to be a
> > rocket scientist, or have god-like experiences to realize that so many
> other
> > components come into play.  For example, if I go from my Dual P800 to a
> > T-Bird 1GHz buy only switching the processor and the motherboard, there
> > might be a chance that the new system sucks...why?  Maybe because the
> > motherboard doesn't like the brand of PC-133 Memory I have in there.
> Maybe,
> > because of the fact that the Athlon proc. uses more voltage than the
> Intel,
> > my PSU (power supply) couldn't take the change, or can't distribute enough
> > power because of my 4 U2W SCSI HDDs.  As you can see, there's a million
> > permutations and combinations that can cause any system to be unstable.
> And
> > that's not even taking into account the operating system.
> >
> > Now everyone knows, they even though people tend to use Win9x/NT based
> OS's,
> > they are not exactly the most efficient in terms of robustness and
> > stability.  If you guys REALLY want stability, go pay $20,000 for a
> > UltraSparc or something....but wait...you can't play games!  Uh-oh...so
> > we're back to Windows again.  At work, I run Win2k Advanced server with 8
> > procs, and 4GB of ECC memory.  It runs stable.  Up time, currently, is the
> > time between when we upgraded to SP1 until now, and it's still rock solid.
> > I'm sure an Athlon can do that, but the fact is, it's not going to get the
> > job done in that type of environment.  CHOOSE YOUR HARDWARE BASED ON WHAT
> > YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT, NOT BASED ON HOW MANY SOCKETS YOU CAN FILL.
> >
> > You wanna talk games?  Okay...Let's talk games.  Okay, so Linux is more or
> > less out of the picture.  I play some Quake3, NHL 2001, Rogue Spear,
> > Half-Life, Baldur's Gate.  All the games work in Win2k Professional SP1 on
> > my Dual 800MHz.  They work on my Athlon too.  They work on my PIII450 w/
> > WinME installed as well.  I get better frame rates with my PIII450 w/ GTS2
> > and WinMe.  If I had to choose an OS, I would still pick Win2k Pro because
> > it's more stable.  I can still play the games, and honestly, it's not that
> > much of a difference.  If you NEED more frames per second, go use Win9x,
> but
> > don't rave like a lunatic if your machine locks up once in awhile.
> Today's
> > games are VERY system resource intensive, and they do push most household
> > systems to their limits.
> >
> > Everyone has different values when it comes to computing.  Some value
> > graphics while others, they thing stability is more important.  Still
> others
> > want speed.  Do your research, ask the questions, and stop arguing about
> > what processor is more stable, because nobody really knows which one is
> more
> > stable. :)
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > "RMS" <rsavoie1@Kiss.my.grits.spammer.home.com> wrote in message
> > news:73ZP5.38175$4U6.1894931@news1.rdc2.on.home.com...
> > > Well if it ain't the village _ _ _ _ _
> > >
> > > Let me appologize for that right now, I just couldn't resist :)
> > >
> > > Now, to be slightly more serious (Not really, just my opinions).
> > >
> > > No, I'm just a regular smoe with a regular job. I don't have a super
> grab
> > > bag of experience, I just know when smoke is being blown up my arse. I
> > will
> > > tell you right now, that any Athlon chip is more stable than a dual
> Intel
> > > machine. The reason you hear of a few people with Athlon problems is
> > because
> > > we build, customize, and repair our own systems. The majority of the
> > Wintel
> > > group get their machines from Uncle Dell. He tell's you exactely what
> > parts
> > > to put in so their won't be trouble.
> > >
> > > Windows is based on the X86 architecture. AMD and Intel both use the X86
> > > architecture. I'd explain the history for you, but that would take too
> > long.
> > > It looks like you are trying to say RISC instructions are a bad idea????
> > If
> > > this is true I won't dignify that with a comment.
> > >
> > > See below for the responses to your tirade.
> > >
> > > "COMPUTER VILLAGE" <INFO@COMPUTER-VILLAGE.COM> wrote in message
> > > news:3A101FC5.18C8BA54@COMPUTER-VILLAGE.COM...
> > > > Hey Rick...I dont doubt that your expertise is somewhere out there,
> but
> > R
> > > u
> > > > gonna tell us that the POC that the Athlon chip offers is more stable
> > than
> > > a
> > > > solid Dual 600EB u gotta be smokin some good ass shi* ...anyways next
> > time
> > >
> > > YES
> > >
> > > > limit your responses to your Athlon partners...by the way I could take
> > any
> > > Dual
> > >
> > > Just replying too the existing header.
> > >
> > > > Athlon if it exists and smoke it with any PIII chip even lower in
> > > > MHz...(remember that Windows is based on the Pentium architecture not
> > the
> > > AMD
> > >
> > > Hahahahahahahahahahahaha..... Ha!
> > >
> > > > -and the RISC instructions, one that by the way was not even in
> anyone's
> > > head
> > > > at the time that P and W were making money out of us...   ;-)
> > >
> > > If you want to know what RISC is, visit Alpha processors, and see what
> > speed
> > > is.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Take that AMD kiddo
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ouch!
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RMS wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Since I think you are totally wrong about
> > > virtually
> > > > > everything, I'll let everybody know how it really works (IMNSHO).
> > > > >
> > > > > I have 3 systems, Athlon 800Mhz, PIII 550Mhz, and a K6-2 400Mhz
> > (Enough
> > > of
> > > > > that.). I have been actually working in computer maintenance/network
> > > admin
> > > > > at a site that has 1200 clients for several years now (No MSCE,
> ABCD,
> > > or
> > > > > anything else like that.).
> > > > >
> > > > > Facts:
> > > > > 1) Dual processor systems are for systems that run multiple
> > applications
> > > at
> > > > > the same time, anything else is a waste of CPU processing power.
> (The
> > > > > exception of course is high end servers with OS's that have real
> > > symetrical
> > > > > processing, at the kernel level, like Solaris or IBM AIX.
> > > > > 2) Win NT is a joke of an OS compared to any Unix OS (Just ask a
> real
> > > > > administrator.) unless your main goal is to have everything
> automated
> > > and
> > > > > "who cares about performance".
> > > > > 3) Win NT is a joke of an OS compared to Win 98 for playing games
> > (This
> > > may
> > > > > be changing with Directx 8.0).
> > > > > 4) Hayes modem - Not,
> > > > >  Netgear NIC - Not,
> > > > >  Intel PIII CPU - Not,
> > > > >  Creative DVD - Not !
> > > > > 5) USR modem - Yes,
> > > > >  3Com NIC - Yes,
> > > > >  AMD Athlon CPU, - Yes
> > > > >  Pioneer DVD - Yes !
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe if you had purchased the right hardware instead of taking what
> > > came in
> > > > > the pre-assembled "box", you would have been able to run Win98.
> Maybe
> > if
> > > you
> > > > > hadn't wasted your cash on the 2 Intel PIII 550's, you could have
> had
> > a
> > > > > totally stable Athlon 900Mhz for the same price. I understand that
> you
> > > > > wasted your bucks on that SMP because you wanted to be the coolest
> guy
> > > > > around, and now you have to use NT so it won't appear that your
> > wasting
> > > your
> > > > > SMP money, but just live with it. Just out of curiostity, how long
> did
> > > you
> > > > > have the dual PIII system before you were told by a friend that
> Win98
> > > does
> > > > > not do SMP?
> > > > >
> > > > > Last note: If the best you can achieve is "crash less", you
> slouldn't
> > be
> > > > > throwing your opinions around.
> > > > >
> > > > > So long to another Wintel clone, Rick
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mark Borton" <MarkBorton@DEEPSPACENINE.COM> wrote in message
> > > > > news:974120262.409.0.nnrp-02.c1ed3851@news.demon.co.uk...
> > > > > > I have 4 systems
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a Dual PIII500 thats NEEDS win2000 to utilize its SMP
> > > capabilities...and
> > > > > > this machine outshines my mates PIII800 at all but the really high
> > end
> > > 3d
> > > > > > benchmarks where it equals them (Both off us have Geforce 2
> ultras,
> > > both
> > > > > > using Detonator 3 drivers, mine win2k his win98SE)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A PII350, and 2 P200MMX machines
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All the systems run faster, boot faster, crash less and are
> > generally
> > > > > nicer
> > > > > > to work with now than undier 95/98....I have had no problems, no
> > blue
> > > > > > screens , and havent turned 1 system off since they were installed
> > (my
> > > > > > running time is now approching 3 months i think...possibly
> > > longer...can`t
> > > > > > remember when i bought 2k)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a long time user of winxx right back to V3, and as both an NT4
> > and
> > > > > win2k
> > > > > > MCSE i can say that Win2k is the platform of choice for games and
> > > serious
> > > > > > work....i wish "High" street computer sellers would relise the
> > > potentiol
> > > > > of
> > > > > > SMP systems, you can get a cheaper system of comparable performnce
> > now
> > > > > using
> > > > > > SMP than you can buy a Ghz system that does the same thing..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Win2k , if your not buying shoddy clone OEM hardware is the best
> OS
> > > for
> > > > > > gaming...Get yourself an Nvida Graphics card, Creative labs sound
> > card
> > > and
> > > > > > DVD decoder, a Hayes V90 "HARDWARE" modem, a couple of TRUE INTEL
> > > > > Processors
> > > > > > , a Gigabyte Dual Processor Board and a Netgear network adapter if
> > > your
> > > > > > networking (the TX310 is good) and youll never look back
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
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