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Article #317Re: Cnet on turbo tax Safecast Macrovision security software
From: Hank Arnold
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:38
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:38
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Will you shut the fuck up????????????? It's old fucking news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Regards, Hank Arnold "Jim Anderson" <sp2and@vision.net> wrote in message news:v4vjin7qc2mo67@corp.supernews.com... > Financial software and services company Intuit is facing a growing number of > consumer complaints over anticopying technology included in the latest > version of TurboTax, its market-leading tax preparation software. > > Intuit announced last year that versions of TurboTax for the 2002 tax year > and beyond would employ "product activation," a controversial but > increasingly common technique used by software companies to lock a copy of a > program to a specific PC. > > But current and former TurboTax customers are complaining in online forums > such as FatWallet and in user ratings at online store Amazon.com that the > technology is hampering their use of the software and is prompting them to > consider alternatives, most notably H&R Block's TaxCut. Intuit > representatives say most of the reports are baseless. > > Complaints center on potential problems in getting TurboTax to run after > changing PC or PC components. They also focus on concerns that years from > now taxpayers who need to retrieve information from previous years won't be > able to get older versions of TurboTax to run. > > Lee Boszak, a retiree from Inverness, Fla., said he's used TurboTax for more > than 10 years but switched to TaxCut this year because he objects in > principle to product activation. "If I upgrade to a new PC or replace my > hard drive, I can't install or reinstall without calling Intuit," he said > via e-mail. "I have purchased TurboTax for many years, since it came on > floppies--this activation is a slap in the face to a loyal customer." > > Instead, customers are assigned an activation number from Intuit, either by > the Internet or phone, when they install TurboTax. The activation number is > tied to the product "key" for that particular copy of TurboTax. Anybody who > tries to install the software using that product key after it has already > been activated using the number will be refused and invited to purchase a > valid license. > > In most cases, customers who need to reinstall TurboTax on a new PC or hard > drive simply have to enter the original activation number they received, > Gulbransen said. > > "Product activation does not prevent people who want to upgrade their > equipment or have to deal with a hard drive crash from changing their > hardware," he said. "We've heard from people who installed TurboTax right > away and then got a new PC for Christmas. For most people, they can > reactivate the product without even contacting us." > > The same will hold true in future years if a customer needs to fire up an > older version of TurboTax, he said. "The bottom line is, if you hold on to > your activation key and product key, and you aren't going to have a > problem," Gulbransen said. "That's why we're suggesting that people keep > those numbers with the product disc in the same place they keep a copy of > their printed tax return from that year." > > But TurboTax user Joel Bradford, an educator from Eugene, Ore., said it > wasn't that easy for him when he switched PCs last month. After removing > TurboTax from his old PC, he was unable to reinstall it on the new one, and > Intuit customer support offered no help. > > "I tried contacting Intuit through the online tech support," he said in an > e-mail interview. "The...representative was nice enough, but he offered no > other solution than for me to buy a new license. I had the same experience > with the senior support person (telling me) that I need to buy another > license." > > Customers are also complaining about Safecast, the Macrovision security > software Intuit uses to verify activation numbers. Reports have surfaced in > discussion groups and some news sites classifying Safecast--also known as > C-Dilla for the company that provided the technology to Macrovision--as > "spyware," programs surreptitiously installed on a PC that track and report > how the PC is used. Spyware programs such as Gator and Brilliant Digital > have prompted growing concern among PC users. > > "I have used TurboTax for eight years, but this year they have used a highly > intrusive, insidious spyware/registration/copy protection scheme called > C-Dilla," said a user in a comment on Amazon's product page for TurboTax > Deluxe. "They don't tell you they're going to install it, there is no option > not to install it, and there is no way to get rid of it...I won't let it on > my computer." > > But Gulbransen said the complaints are unfounded. "The whole C-Dilla flap is > based on misinformation," he said. "It's never been spyware; it has no > spyware components. It doesn't monitor anything; it doesn't tell us anything > about the user, their system, their PC activity. It just checks on the > random number generated when you activate the product." > > Michael Glass, senior product marketing manager at Macrovision, said > Safecast simply checks for a valid license file when a program is launched. > > "It's absolutely, categorically false to call this spyware," Glass said. "We > don't send any information about the user's system to either ourselves or > the software publisher. We don't monitor what you download, which Web sites > you visit, or anything like that." > > Glass invited skeptics to use firewall programs or other security software > to monitor what Safecast-enabled applications are doing with their Internet > connection. "If people don't believe us, you can take an application like > ZoneAlarm and see that it's not passing information back and forth to us or > anyone else." > > While Gulbransen said Intuit isn't concerned about losing sales due to the > activation dispute, the company has compiled an extensive online FAQ about > product activation in hopes of debunking common complaints. > > Competitor H&R Block doesn't use any type of activation technology for its > TaxCut software and has not made any definite plans on whether to do so with > future editions, said Chrys Sullivan, the company's director of software > products. > > "We think it's an interesting development in our industry," she said. "We're > watching this closely to see how the industry reacts." > > Sullivan added that H&R Block has given customers a legitimate way to use a > single copy of TaxCut on multiple PCs with a new "platinum" version that > comes with a license allowing multiple installations in a single household. > > "We listened to our customers and we know that a lot of them want to be able > install the software on multiple computers in the same household," she said. > "We're glad to be able to accommodate that." > > > > >
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