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"Criswell The Psychic Weatherman" <ssenate@mindless.com> wrote in message
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> pissed off wrote:
>
> > "Criswell The Psychic Weatherman" <ssenate@mindless.com> wrote in
message
> > news:3E4B9076.26037888@mindless.com...
> >
> > >You must be a very bad shill for Intuit, if you're recommending using
> > anything and everything that is not an Intuit product.
> > > Maybe you're not a shill at all, and "pissed off" has a lot of
misplaced
> > anger.
> >
> > Jim Turner recommends that I get a refund from Intuit and then stop
> > complaining about their corporate abuse. Paying me a refund has no
impact in
> > Intuit. Publicly complaining might have an impact. Jim Turner knows
this. By
> > labeling protest as "immaturity," and seeking to lie and misrepresent
the
> > complaint, he is acting as if he is Intuit's agent.
> >
> > >I heard that, not once, not twice, but three times.  What kind of a
shill
> > would tell you to hurt the company he is shilling for?  >A very poor
shill,
> > or one who is not a shill at all.
> >
> > My getting a refund doesn't hurt Intuit. My complaining on the Internet
> > might have the effect of putting pressure on Intuit to back off from its
> > corporate abuse. Jim Turner has misrepresent the facts that gave rise to
the
> > complaint, and labeled any protest as "immaturity."
> >
> > By doing these things, he is acting as Intuit's shill.
> >
> > > There is that *and* concept again.  "pissed off" wants to run the
software
> > *and* complain about it.
> >
> > Now *you* are lying. I do not want to "run the software and complain
about
> > it." I haven't run the software since I figured out what the issue was.
I
> > was waiting for Intuit to back off, and complaining publicly in the
> > meantime. I'm going to keep complaining. It is not "immature" to protest
a
> > corporation's abusive actions.
> >
> > > It's wrong to complain in a place where your complaint can't and won't
be
> > resolved.  You need to complain in a place
> > > where it will be heard, acknowledged, and possibly resolved.  This is
not
> > such a place.  More misplaced anger.
> >
> > So Criswell, who are *you* working for? You say it's "wrong to complain
in a
> > place where your complaint can't be an won't be resolved." Who says it
can't
> > be or won't be resolved as the result of outraged current and former
> > customers publicly protesting Intuit's abusive tactics?
>
> I see it now.  Just because I have an opinion that you don't like, even
when I'm
> agreeing with you, I must also be a shill.  In fact, everyone in the
entire
> world is an Intuit shill.  Paranoia is an interesting worldview, as
everything
> in the world continues to reinforce it.
>
> Who do I work for?  Read my posts.  I've made no secret of that.
>
> The C-Dilla issue has been posted to the taxes newsgroups by just about
> everyone.  PC magazine wrote about it.  The Wall Street Journal wrote
about it.
> The word is already out on C-Dilla, but perhaps not yet in
alt.biz.accounting,
> as that is not a newsgroup I normally read.
>
> If you feel you must add your voice to the thousands that are already
screaming,
> go right ahead, but one screaming voice in a crowd of thousands isn't
likely to
> make the screaming thousands any louder.  Intuit is already getting the
> message.  Intuit is already having to individually process every refund
> request.  Can you imagine how many they must process every day as more and
more
> people decide that they don't want C-Dilla?  Your single individual refund
will
> have little impact, as will your single individual complaint here.  What
will
> have impact is the multiplied factor of all of those complaints directed
towards
> Intuit and the multiplied factor of having to process all of those refunds
> individually.
>
> > Let's be clear about this.
> >
> > Intuit included spyware in its personal finance software. If you don't
allow
> > Intuit to place software on your computer that has the capability of
spying
> > on you, then your tax software won't work. This is an outrageous
betrayal of
> > trust by Intuit. It is arrogant and stupid.
>
> You could say that.  Technically, C-Dilla isn't spyware, because spyware
reports
> information back to the host without your approval.  The only information
being
> reported is your activation code, and you freely allowed that.  However,
C-Dilla
> does run in the background and does use and waste resources.  In a world
where
> everyone abided by license agreements, we wouldn't need C-Dilla.  However,
there
> is nothing preventing me from making copies and selling them myself,
> undercutting Intuit, and pocketing the cash.  In fact, someone in this
thread,
> or a similar one has admitted to doing this for several years.  [This is
in the
> taxes newsgroups, and you may not have seen it]  You feel it's betrayal,
and I
> would agree, but you fail to realize that Intuit would like to protect
some of
> the investment that they put into making TurboTax.  Do you feel they don't
have
> that right?  Should Intuit provide tax software just so everyone could
copy it,
> and they would lose money from lack of sales?  Is it Intuit's fault that
CD
> burners are rather common and cheap and so are blank CD's?  If you were
making
> the decisions at Intuit, how would you protect your licensed property?
What
> would you, as the decision maker at Intuit, do?
>
> > There is a long tradition in America of people protesting corporate
abuse.
> > Apparently, Jim Turner, you and others think that software companies are
> > immune from criticism, and regard anyone who criticizes a corporation as
> > "immature" for doing so. Hey, welcome to the Republican Party!!
>
> Again, you have trouble with reading comprehension.  I did not say to
abandon
> your protest.  I said it would be more effective if it was more directly
pointed
> towards Intuit.  You're free to complain to anyone anywhere, but if you
complain
> where no action can be taken to resolve the complaint, you have just
wasted a
> lot of energy, achieved nothing, and probably increased your own
frustrations.
> If I had a problem with a particular store in a particular mall, would it
make
> sense to protest in a different mall that didn't have that store?  Or in
that
> other mall where the store in question did not have that problem?
>
> In my opinion, the word is out on C-Dilla.  The damage is done.  Intuit is
> already feeling it, by having to process the refunds, and realizing that
every
> published article gets the word out.  I don't know how many people read
this or
> the other newsgroup.  I just feel that the amount of people you will reach
by
> this method will be small, and likely already know of the problem.  Thus,
I feel
> your protest is ineffective.  Is that so hard to understand?
>
> Did you suggest "Flood Intuit's website with e-mails of protest for
C-Dilla"?  I
> didn't see you call for such an action.  That might be more effective.
You feel
> Intuit should re-engineer TurboTax this year without C-Dilla.  Intuit is
more
> concerned with getting tax updates out as some of the laws are very
recent.
> They have actually lagged behind the other software packages in their
updates,
> and I suspect dealing with C-Dilla is the reason.  They can't re-engineer
it out
> this year.  They spent too much time and effort incorporating it.
>
> Has Microsoft removed Internet Explorer from Windows, as the courts
ordered them
> to?  They can't.  They designed it in intentionally.
>
> The two different versions of TurboTax [with and without C-Dilla] would
not be
> compatible, and would you want two different TurboTax's on your same
computer?
> They will almost certainly not use it next year, but the question remains,
what
> if anything will they use next year to protect their license agreement and
> investment?  [Assuming that C-Dilla hasn't permanently poisoned the
TurboTax
> name]
>
> Instead of calling everyone a shill, ask yourself what you would do, as
decision
> maker at Intuit, to protect your license and investment and profits from
being
> destroyed by CD-burners.  I'd like to hear your answer.
> --
> "A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses;
> it is an idea that possesses the mind."  Robert Bolton
> Criswell The Psychic Weatherman
> ssenate@mindless.com
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