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Article #170Re: Win32/RAMNIT.A Anyone?
From: FromTheRafters
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:46
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:46
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"John Slade" <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:oaF6o.1247$1v3.814@newsfe20.iad... > On 8/4/2010 2:40 PM, FromTheRafters wrote: >> "John Slade"<hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote in message >> news:G1j6o.53362$dx7.3611@newsfe21.iad... >> >> [...] >> >>> "Virus" is both a generic term and a specific term. >>> Why do you think they call the software used to clean >>> trojans and worms, "Anti-Virus" software? >> >> Generally, they call it antimalware unless it is also effective >> against >> viruses and worms (which are self-replicators). If it is effective >> against viruses, they call it an antivirus. Antivirus programs can >> also >> detect some non-replicating malware. > > They call it that because it's quite common to refer to all > malware as viurses. Been this way for decades. Being wrong is quite common also. >>> I'm sure you don't think that they only clean viruses >>> and leave trojans and worms alone. It's all a matter >>> of semantics. >> >> Of course it is, but semantics shouldn't be a dismissive word. The >> meanings of words are *important* to effective communications. >> > > It's all a matter of who you're talking to. If the person wants > to nitpick even though they know what a person means then what can you > do but explain. I don't usually bother to correct non-professionals, although I do mention that they are in error when they call non-replicators viruses. In your case, being a "professional" you should know better. That you refuse to accept the facts is just your personality getting in the way of your professionalism. > I've worked for people who are very computer savvy and people who are > new to computers. I use all the terms to describe the problem and > rarely hear anyone nitpick about using the word "virus" to describe a > trojan or worm. It's just acceptable. > >>> Just about all of the major anti-malware vendors have >>> products that they call Anti-Virus. This is because it just >>> stuck. You're a professional and you don't know this? >> >> We all know this, and we don't like it one bit. The fact remains that >> viruses are a special case requiring more than what many antimalware >> applications are equipped to handle. > > It seems to anger you on some level. Not really, it angers me when they call viruses malware - but that's another story that you would not be interested in. > I don't care in the least what they call it, as long as it does the > job. What job? If you use an antimalware application to remove viruses, you can be giving a still infested machine back to your customer. I know that you don't care, and it is alright with me if you insist on continuing to be wrong, but calling yourself a professional is over the top. I won't bother to help you to understand the importance of the difference anymore since you refuse to learn.
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