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John Higdon <absolutely.no.spam@verislimesucks.com> wrote in message news:<absolutely.no.spam-979151.06471631012004@equine.announcetech.com>...
> In article <e3398e5.0401310532.6ff94685@posting.google.com>,
>  maxwelton@my-deja.com (Maxwelton) wrote:
> 
> > It is interesting that no one ever pin points what we are good at. 
> > A few years ago when the textile mills were closing everyone thought
> > high tech was the industry. Oooops! It's gone overseas. Maybe
> > he is talking about lawyering. 
> 
> I think high-tech is still the industry. Have you taken a good look at 
> exactly which jobs are being outsourced and off-shored? Not every 
> software coding job is "highly-skilled". Some of them are pretty routine 
> and uninspiring. It may just be that these jobs are overpaid in this 
> country and moving them off the table in this country is a good thing. 
> It's something to think about. 

To a point this is true. Most of our overseas work is in test. However,
developers are now being outsourced overseas. It started with 
help centers, then test and then developement.  
> 
> Any job that can be moved to India or China would seem to me to be 
> hardly one that is tightly critical to the operation of a company. 
> Sounds more like routine code maintenance that (literally) anyone could 
> do given certain basic skills. And they remain very much under the 
> direction of the people who remain here.


Most people have no idea what might be involved in routine code
maintenance. Every place I know will require knowledge about
different operating systems, build processes, other software,
networks and hardware. I know that even routine code maintenance
is too daunting for literally anyone even with "basic skills". 
They would be better off being a lawyer.
Right now I get slowed down because the people in India don't 
understand how to test a system because they don't know where one
system begins and another begins. They don't know how to configure
systems properly and it wastes our time because we can't walk next
door and show them what they are doing wrong. 
They don't listen well continuing to bring up matters that I can
verify are pointless. It wastes a lot of my time. It's like they
have an agenda but I am not sure what it is.

> > > "Competition from abroad has risen to a point at which developed
> > > countries' lowest skilled workers are being priced out of the global
> > > labour market," Greenspan told the London meeting.
> > 
> > If he were speaking today he would replace "lowest skilled" with 
> > "highest skilled". He is stuck in the 90's
> 
> Not everyone who works in a cubicle is "highest skilled".

Not everyone is right.  
> 
> > Retraining in what? No point in wasting time on something that will
> > be outsourced in 3 years. 
> 
> That's why one must continually upgrade his skills. Lifetime jobs went 
> away a long time ago.

> 
> > So what fuels the growth if the developed nations aren't losing?
> 
> Have we stopped innovating?

No, but we move it overseas really quick as compared with the past.
The brilliant bean counters haven't caught on that a lot of company
innovation is being stolen by foreign nationals. Of course the competition
is getting stronger because they are helping it and too stupid to even 
realize it.  

> 
> > Freedom is not a god given right. When you consider those that give their 
> > lives or part of their life keeping the shipping lanes open, and all
> > those that came before defending the shores one has to get their priorities
> > in order. I am sure it will all work out down the road.
> 
> It has so far.

When people here no longer find a degree in computer science attractive
(which is starting to happen now) then we are in big trouble. Most people
haven't a clue about why our military is so successful.